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minorities prefer Sharia
Law, then we advise them to
go to those places where
that' s the state law. Russia
does not need minorities.
Minorities need Russia, and
we will not grant them
special privileges, or try to
change our laws to fit their
desires, no matter how loud
they yell 'discrimination"
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> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
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#110 - cursesnew
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Muslims sure love to use that "discrimination" word a lot.

So here in Sweden we have a nice set of rules. Rules that work and treat people equally. Then some or a lot of Muslims thinks it's a good idea to introduce barbaric sharia laws.
Which are close to breaking human rights laws to begin with. Then they have the balls to claim that Islam is actually treating women better than other religions. Hows that car license going for you girls down there in Arab countries? Oh right, it's ILLEGAL! How about teaching? Oh wait, ILLEGAL. Got raped? Prepare to be killed by your husband or father depending on if you're wife or daughter. Does this have something to do with Islam? They claim it doesn't but it's only done by people in that religion. I think there is a connection.

There is a reason their country is a **** hole and ours isn't. Religion can **** things up pretty good.

We had it bad too with religion messing things up but we fixed that. They didn't.

If you move to a new country, you start to follow their rules and live by those.
#479 to #110 - anon id: f7258637
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Saudi has the worldsafest roads since wimmin dont drive...silly feminists.
Sharia law is only in 4 countries yet for some reason is different. Imiigrant muslim griups lived in europe for decades...shtf after 911 an they been gettin more discrimantion. Radcalization was bound to happen. Besides isnt underminin native laws the europesn way ie aborigines maori native ppl. Radical islam is fairly new.. Yts only here cuz the cia armed an radicalized mujahadeen back in the day.europe genocided jews then muslims in the balkans in95. Winder whose next.
There are many foreigners in saudi uae an qatar yret no problem.
User avatar #511 to #479 - xxhadesflamesxx
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You're a Troll
#589 to #110 - anon id: cd571123
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>2030
>live in small agricultural town by the Skanderna, population 20k as it is in all Sweden since the reruralization
>ruled by glorious Enlightened protestant monarch the queen Victoria
>putting the final details to my traditional dress because today is Skördefest and we are going to have a communal dance in the city hall
>wake up
>2/10 hijab kebab in my bed
>get prepared for my 12 hour shift in the privilege factory
>such is life in 2030 Sweden
#594 to #589 - jvcjvc
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The same thing is happening in Denmark. There has just been passed a law that makes the hospitals unable to serve pork. i know it is a small thing, but this is the start...
#633 to #594 - klutzyspy
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and kindergardens.

One of the largest exporters of pig has a government banning it from their facilities
#646 to #110 - anon id: 2e71e8ed
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**** islam
User avatar #649 to #646 - anonymoose
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**** Muslim extremists.
#698 to #646 - thelouisianan
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Couldn't agree anymore with you. Especially when they go to Europe to ruin other peoples lives.
User avatar #703 to #110 - gurtol
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I wish Britain would take something from this. It feels like we bend over backwards to accommodate immigrants.
User avatar #167 to #110 - konradkurze
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in sweden?

last i heard your people are too PC to sing your own national anthem in case it comes across as insensitive towards immigrants who arent swedish
#183 to #167 - robdabob
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you're goddamn right.jpg   
   
some people are even afraid to say "negroball" as we call it. "Negerboll" in swedish, its just as saying el negro in spanish. it's a different for black, and it sure as **** doesnt make me racist. I hate all people equally.
you're goddamn right.jpg

some people are even afraid to say "negroball" as we call it. "Negerboll" in swedish, its just as saying el negro in spanish. it's a different for black, and it sure as **** doesnt make me racist. I hate all people equally.
#204 to #183 - anononeeightsix
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negroballs are some tasty *************
#410 to #204 - neoexdeath
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...You ************.
...You ************.
User avatar #667 to #204 - playerdous
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That's alot of salt. Chefs balls
#669 to #667 - anononeeightsix
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Salt....It's coconut
Salt....It's coconut
User avatar #677 to #669 - playerdous
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South Park Chef's chocolate salty balls.
#695 to #677 - anononeeightsix
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hehehe
hehehe
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User avatar #191 to #183 - konradkurze
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makes me think

in south africa, theres a candy called '************ kinda like little balls of black licorice....

over there, nobody cares, even the blacks eat them and dont care about the name

a south african friend grabbed some from a store that imports foreign stuff and tried offering to people here....they almost flipped their **** at the name
User avatar #642 to #183 - dafiltafish
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I can think of at least one other reason why you wouldn't say "negroball" *wink wink*
User avatar #611 to #183 - luquaz
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the best gif of our king I've ever seen
User avatar #189 to #183 - roflcopterskklol
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Something Swedish people have in common with Australians is hating Americans for ruining our culture it seems.

**** me Australian TV used to be golden satire heaven, now look at it. it is all x factor talent shows and big brother.
#529 to #167 - anon id: f7258637
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thats gotta be a joke. SOunds rahter egotisical. Like we wont sing our anthem cause youll feel bad that ur not one of us.
User avatar #700 to #110 - threadcreator
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ya'll are *******
#276 to #110 - mcasshole
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In my anthropology class we talked a lot about the women from these countries who people believe are "oppressed" but when interviewed some think it's normal for their culture while others would like things to be equal.
I agree with you but I just thought it was relevant.
#528 to #110 - ineedthistothumb
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This has probably been said too many times, but it's not religion's fault, it's people's fault. Here are a two reasons:

For as many people that do bad things in the name of [insert deity here], there are an equal number of people that do good things in the name of [same deity]. Sadly, history tends to focus on the negative side of humans (usually).

For as many people that do bad things because of their religious beliefs, there are an equal number of people that do bad things because of there non-religious beliefs, but beliefs nonetheless.

Basically, if people aren't going to do bad things because of their religion, they will simply do bad things because of some other reason. Religion is just a scapegoat for pure human stupidity.

this is just my humble opinion, please be gentle.
User avatar #639 to #528 - dafiltafish
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Your opinion is agreeable
User avatar #556 to #528 - internetzsoviet
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Except its also the religion's fault. Islam is inherently a barbaric religion started in the desert by raiders and slavers. It doesn't matter if a few or even the majority of the its constituents claim to be peaceful because in large groups this notion is thrown out the window. Compare it to a tumor in that it is benign when small, but once it passes a certain mass it isn't benign anymore.
User avatar #572 to #556 - playerdous
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It's actually not barbaric for a religion based 1400 years ago. The problem stems from a combination of said religion with it's region. In American we have a high muslim concentration in Ohio, and we don't hear a peep from them. In Florida we have a few as well and you wouldnt be able to tell since a fair amount choose not to wear the burkas some wear part of it.
User avatar #577 to #572 - internetzsoviet
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The reason you don't hear a peep from them is because they aren't a high enough population density to become a problem. Once they reach levels similar to Sweden or Britain they will become a problem.
User avatar #588 to #577 - playerdous
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No it's actually because most are born and raised here, they aren't immigrants bringing over their culture. Most of the muslims I meet I can't even tell until they say so.
User avatar #676 to #588 - internetzsoviet
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Then they aren't a practicing or devoted Muslim.

Practicing/devoted Muslims in large populations always end up being a problem. It is just amplified when migrant Muslims are present.
#678 to #676 - playerdous
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#284 to #110 - heretics
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You are greatly exaggerating things. Some Muslims do undoubtedly want sharia laws, but there is a lot of Christians who want “intelligent design” and biblical laws isn’t there? But the majority of Christians doesn’t want that, and similarly the majority of Muslims in Sweden doesn’t want sharia laws. I can understand that you are angry at the extremists but don’t drag the innocent and law-obedient people down with them. Christian missionaries, including Swedish ones, have travelled to almost every damn populated spot on the planet too impose their values on others. A hundred years ago our country was not a real democracy, women could not vote nor inherit property if they had brothers and people were still migrating to America because of social and economic problems. And these emigrants took whit them their culture and religious and moral beliefs because they knew nothing else. That is the similar problems of Muslims immigrating to our country today; they simply come from poorer and less educated countries. We live as well as we do today in the west much thanks too medieval Muslim scholars who preserved the sciences of antiquity and developed new mathematical calculations and medicine. We would be considerably further back in science and technology today if it weren’t for them. Just be patient and try to see the many quiet, good people instead of the loud and radical few. Tänk på det, du.
#305 to #284 - anon id: 6d20a78d
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Christians don't want to barbarically murder people...

unless they have abortions
#348 to #305 - heretics
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Some do (look at abortion-violence for example) but most don't, the same applies to muslims.
User avatar #428 to #348 - Sethorein
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and the fact that streets and parks are named after suicide bombers?
User avatar #297 to #284 - newsuperyoshi
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Reminds me of the quote 'Where lava shouts lies, water whispers the truth'
~Davidr64yt
#557 to #110 - atsshole
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#296 to #110 - takers
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Firstly the the only country that doesn't allow female drivers is Saudi Arabia (cuz they're dicks) and they have been criticised and condemned about this by ARAB countries.
In fact some female police officers in Dubai, UAE have been handed the new Lamborghini police cars, so oppressed right?
Secondly, "teaching is illegal" ..you know what I'm not even going to address that point because it's THAT stupid and incorrect.
As for 'honour killings' that does in no way have ANYTHING to do with Islam, I can guarantee you that.
And finally, as I have said in another comment, I live in a predominantly pakistani area and know a lot of muslims and not once have I ever heard anyone wanting to change any laws! Everything seems good to me (except maybe the niqab ban in france)

Seriously though dude it's so so easy in life to just blame a whole group of people whether they be muslim, black etc. but we all know that generalising is not good and ignorance is even worse. I'm genuinely sorry if you've had any bad experiences with muslims, or any other group of people for that matter, which might generate all your anger towards them. how are we ever going to move forward in life if we keep seeing each other as "us" and "them". Instead we should look at people individually and tell them to **** off for being an asshole not for their religion, race or anything else.
I'll take the red thumbs.
User avatar #413 to #296 - thekawaiifascist
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This.

I'm not a particularly big fan of Islam as a religion, but giving a whole group of people **** over the actions of the few has never solved anything, intolerance begets intolerance, so on and so forth.
User avatar #373 to #296 - ronyx
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That ***** just got told'd
User avatar #372 to #296 - nogphille
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the niqab ban has been set to enforce an older law, which states that you can't hide your face in public.
this is mainly to help law enforcers do their jobs.
this law was passed when a series of robberies took place where the culprits covered their faces in niqabs/burkas.
#392 to #296 - anon id: 14edf957
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You've heard nothing of it because you live in a predominantly pakistani area. You're all already practicing sharia law.
User avatar #363 to #296 - Nullifier
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Thiiiiiiiiiiiiis
User avatar #520 to #296 - mcsquishin
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Just a quick point about the teaching thing. The whole "illegal for women to teach/girls to be taught" thing comes from the Taliban, who in turn base their way of life off of a strict interpretation of Islam. You telling off the other guy that he's stupid and incorrect when it's YOU who is in fact incorrect just makes you look like an ass.
#334 to #296 - drasticdragon
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Damn crusades and papal reform, eh?
#145 to #110 - arandomanon
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The connection is: Muslim countries are also underdeveloped countries that lack of education. It has nothing to do with Islam. I live in Spain and like 40 years ago women had much much less right less than men did (they couldn't drive, go to the bank alone and many other stuff). It has nothing to do with Islam but with ignorance.

I'll embrace my redthumbs now because people here think Islam is barbaric and not the lack of education in countries.
User avatar #240 to #145 - kanadetenshi
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Sharia law is based on islamic text.
User avatar #655 to #240 - arandomanon
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The bible also says women should be punished because of the original sin. Should we do it?
As I said, the problem is ignorance.
User avatar #656 to #655 - kanadetenshi
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If people took the bible literally then yes christianity is to blame. Just like islam is to blame for the things in the quran.
User avatar #658 to #656 - arandomanon
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Ignorance is the key. A millennium ago, the Christians were the barbaric. The Moors (the Islamic people who lived in Iberian peninsula) were very civilized (not just in science but also in life conditions and more). The Christian authorities wanted the people to be ignorant on purpose to keep their interests. And that lasted for centuries.

Muslim people need to be educated in order to be more humans.
User avatar #659 to #658 - kanadetenshi
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And in order to be educated they need to ignore their scriptures.

So conclusion: The more they stay away from islam the more peacefull they will become.
User avatar #660 to #659 - arandomanon
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That's not true at all. As I said, the Moors not only were more civilized but also peaceful (until Christians constantly attacked them, then they responded of course). And they were true believers. They just weren't extremist.

Conclusion: you can believe in anything you want and read anything you want, you just must learn respect to other human beings.
User avatar #661 to #660 - kanadetenshi
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They chose to ignore the quran. Meaning they weren't true islamists according to the scriptures.

Religious moderation is based on secular knowledge and sciptural ignorance. The religious extremists are the only ones who truly follow their religion.
User avatar #662 to #661 - arandomanon
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I'm not an expert but I doubt any Islamist caliphate from XI century chose to ignore the Qur'an.
The problem is, the Qur'an is very hard to follow because it's basically full of metaphors, poems and confusing language so they can easily be interpreted in different ways. That's one of the reasons why there are so many different ethnic groups.
User avatar #663 to #662 - kanadetenshi
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That's a cop-out, the quran is supposed to be the holy word of god yet they themself pretend what is literal or not? The fact remains is that the quran clearly states sharia law which is not possibly metaphorical in any way. Ignoring such law means you ignore the holy text you believe in. Which again means that the further away you go from religious scripture the more peacefull you'll become.
User avatar #665 to #663 - arandomanon
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You don't know how that works, don't you? Try to read the Qur'an and tell me what "literal meaning" can you get. As I said, it's filled with metaphors that can be interpreted differently. Besides, the translations may differ and that also is significant.

You say the Qur'an states the sharia clearly. Have you read it? Where did you get that information?

Being so closed-minded to say you can only be really peaceful if you go further from the scriptures is also extremist, specially when it seems you don't know how Qur'an or Islam works.
User avatar #666 to #665 - kanadetenshi
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Maybe you actually need to read the quran for once and you'd agree with me. It's not my fault that religion is outdated and barbaric.
User avatar #674 to #666 - arandomanon
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I find amusing you tell me to read the Qur'an but yet you haven't answered my question.
User avatar #314 to #240 - runescapewasgood
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Except they're taking it far out of context and are being extremists. **** off.
User avatar #439 to #314 - commontroll
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They're taking what too far? Sharia Law? It's a horridly barbaric and inhumane system, and is as much a part of the religion as the Qur'an is. And the Qur'an says to implement Sharia Law anywhere you go, either by peace or by violence.
User avatar #450 to #439 - runescapewasgood
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Don't pull **** out of your ass like that. Use your damn head and actually research what you want to know.
User avatar #452 to #450 - commontroll
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Oh yay! I got two comments for the price of one!
User avatar #457 to #452 - runescapewasgood
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No response? I rest my case. Don't rely your case on what random people say without citing their sources. I've actually learned about all of this from a young age. Instead of calling all Muslims extremists and calling billions of people bad, look at the generalizations you're making, and compare it to those of the past. Don't blindly follow a bandwagon. Start your own with research.
User avatar #462 to #457 - commontroll
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Geez dude. Give me some time to respond. I was typing and looking for sources. And I don't give a **** about how long you've been studying it. People have been studying English their whole lives, and they can still not know how it works at all.
User avatar #448 to #439 - runescapewasgood
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Please state to me where it says to implement it. It says in Islam (I'm actually a Muslim and I have no clue where you're pulling this from --> a source would be nice) that you're not supposed to force your religion upon anyone. Show me the part that says you must enforce it on anyone and everyone. Next, Sharia Law is merely a code for living among Muslims. In no way in itself is it "horridly barbaric". Find me passages in it that are barbaric, and I will gladly answer them.

Don't just follow a bandwagon. Actually KNOW what you're talking about.
User avatar #466 to #448 - commontroll
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Qisas
Main article: Qisas

Qisas is the Islamic principle of an eye for an eye. This category includes the crimes of murder and battery.

Punishment is either exact retribution or compensation (Diyya).

The issue of qisas gained considerable attention in the Western media in 2009 when Ameneh Bahrami, an Iranian woman blinded in an acid attack, demanded that her attacker be blinded as well.[8][9]
Diyya
Main article: Diyya

Diyya is compensation paid to the heirs of a victim. In Arabic the word means both blood money and ransom.

The Quran specifies the principle of Qisas (i.e. retaliation), but prescribes that one should seek compensation (Diyya) and not demand retribution.

We have prescribed for thee therein ‘a life for a life, and an eye for an eye, and a nose for a nose, and an ear for an ear, and a tooth for a tooth, and for wounds retaliation;’ but whoso remits it, it is an expiation for him, but he whoso will not judge by what God has revealed, these be the unjust.[10]

Now then, I personally don't disagree with a life for a life, however, most of the Western World is against it. However, other religions, like Judaism don't go so far. Judaism, if you steal, then you have to pay back seven times what you stole. However, if you can't pay then you can work as a slave in their debt, until you pay off your debts, or until Jubilation, when all Jewish slaves have their debts cleared.

But Sharia Law is brutal, even against fellow Muslims, and discriminating against infidels as well. Now, religious laws being discriminating isn't unheard of, Jewish law was discriminating as well, but what Sharia Law does against Muslims, rarely would Jewish law say to do against Gentiles.

Now, please calm down and hold your PMSing horses. Let's keep this discussion civil.
User avatar #473 to #466 - runescapewasgood
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1. I put diyya into google translate and I came up wtih "friendly". Put in: دية. If you're curious, I can actually read Arabic, and that's dhal, yeh, and hah. Put them together it makes diyy-eh.

2. Not sure where you're getting your sources for this, but the actual quran says that you can just say sorry, say you won't steal, and you're off scott-free.

3. By the way, refer to my previous post about forgiveness as it completely annihilates all of your points. Have a nice day ;)
User avatar #474 to #473 - commontroll
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I already said my sources. Read again. It's straight from Wikipedia. And again, I really don't care if you can read Arabic or not. It's not really relevant, nor does it seem very friendly. You asked how it's barbaric, and so I'm showing you.
User avatar #475 to #474 - runescapewasgood
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The Quran is more credible than Wikipedia on Islam, let me assure you.
User avatar #482 to #475 - commontroll
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Well, I can't read Arabic yet, and as we both know, Eastern languages don't really translate well into English. I'm focusing on learning Greek and Hebrew first, so I can read the Bible's original versions, then I want to learn other languages, because I believe it's very important to inform yourself of the worldviews of those around you.
User avatar #488 to #482 - runescapewasgood
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True. That leads into my point of please don't follow the bandwagon. Many Muslims are doing this as well as other people, and it just makes the world a much more violent place. Thank you for engaging with me in this interesting argument.
User avatar #499 to #488 - commontroll
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Yeah man, it was my pleasure. Honestly, Islam itself isn't a bad worldview. It's (in my opinion) not the best, but every religion has its dark periods. But honestly, there's only one religion I hate, and that's Hinduism. It's just so obviously designed as a conquerors' tool to keep the people under them subdued. I mean absolutely horribly made to keep those in power, in power, and those without power to be happy where they are.

Yet that's the one so many Westerners have fallen so in love with.
User avatar #505 to #499 - runescapewasgood
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:/
User avatar #459 to #448 - commontroll
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My bad, it wasn't in the Qur'an, it was part of Sharia Law itself if I remember correctly.

And how about things like cutting off the hand of a thief? It skips the "eye for an eye" that many people believe to be fair and just say to take out both eyes and an ear. It's not a pleasant law system, and it's implemented as law in places like Saudi Arabia. It would be one thing if they would progress things and edit them, but because so many believe it to be holy like the Qur'an, they believe you cannot change it to fit your beliefs, you have to change your beliefs to fit with it.

People don't say that about things unless they believe they're holy.

To illustrate my point that it is not simply a code of living, here's an excerpt from Wikipedia (INB4 "Hurr, Wikipedia's not a reliable source!" because it is, so long as it's a popular article.)

here are two sources of Sharia (understood as the divine law): the Quran and Sunnah. The Quran is viewed as the unalterable word of God. Much of the Quran exhorts Muslims to general moral values; only 80 verses of the Quran contain legal prescriptions.[63] The Sunnah is the life and example of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. The Sunnah's importance as a source of Sharia, is confirmed by several verses of the Quran (e.g. [Quran 33:21]).[64] The Sunnah is primarily contained in the hadith or reports of Muhammad's sayings, his actions, his tacit approval of actions and his demeanor.

So some of it comes from Allah, while the rest comes from the holiest man to ever walk the earth according to your beliefs.

The punishment for stealing is the amputation of the hand and after repeated offense, the foot (Quran 5:38). This practice is still used today in countries like Iran,[4] Saudi Arabia,[5] and Northern Nigeria.[6] In Iran, amputation as punishment has been described as "uncommon", but "not unheard of, and has already been carried out at least once" during 2010.[7]
User avatar #467 to #459 - runescapewasgood
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1. I learned the concept of "sunnah" at the age of 7. It's essentially following the prophet and his actions.

2. I never said Sharia Law was bad. You talk about cutting the hand of the thief, and I fully agree with Sharia Law on this. Do you want to know why? In the very ayah after that one (5:39), it's said that if they repent and say they are sorry as well as change their ways of thievery, God will accept this and forgive the individual. Thus, the hand is not cut. Surprisingly better than our system today. It doesn't even say that the person must join Islam.

3. You might want to research a little harder :/
User avatar #480 to #467 - commontroll
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1. Whoopdee ******* doo. That's what I said, as well as my source. It's called copy and paste to illustrate the entirety of context, as well as so others can know what is happening.

So who's to judge if they truly repented and changed their ways? Does it also give a set time before the hand chopping goes underway? That's the thing, in a theocracy, this logic is fine. That's why I don't say Saudi Arabia should ditch Sharia Law. But in a secular state, like most of Europe and America, simple repentance is not really gonna fly.

Individuals don't have to press charges and can forgive the people, but ultimately, if you're in a nation that does not say which world view the government adheres to, then Sharia Law shouldn't be instated in them.
User avatar #485 to #480 - runescapewasgood
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Ok. Saudi Arabia is not Islam. Saudi Arabia doesn't even ******* let women drive. They make them wear niqabs, not even just hijabs. Saudi Arabia is not a muslims place. Saudi Arabia is just a sexist, outlandish place that needs to be put to bed.

I NEVER SAID THAT ANYWHERE SHOULD ADOPT SHARIA LAW. LET ME MAKE THAT CLEAR

By the way, the only judge is to say they're sorry and it will not happen again. That's literally it. If they say it, you must believe it (that's actually Sunnah. Example is that one time a man was about to kill another man for god-knows-why I don't remember why because it's not a significant detail. Anyway, at the last second, before he was killed, the man said he converted to Islam. The prophet eventually was called to investigate the matter, and it resulted in the man not being killed because he had to take his word for it and believe he was Muslim. Your word is supposed to have truth, is what Muslims believe.
User avatar #496 to #485 - commontroll
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Oh believe me, I know they do plenty of their own thing, and that they don't represent Islam as a whole, just their own view of it. I'm just saying, if they want to keep it, that's fine, it's their choice, but immigrants who try to change other nations to it are just idiots. I think we've both been misunderstanding where we both stand on this.

And I find that admirable. If only more of the world took people by their word still, and people were expected to stay true to their word.
User avatar #497 to #496 - runescapewasgood
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I agree with everything said in the post I'm currently responding
User avatar #500 to #497 - commontroll
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Alright! High five! I'm quite pleased with how we turned around our bad attitudes and turned this into a civil conversation. Sorry about how I was acting earlier by the way.

I bid you good day/evening/night.
User avatar #502 to #500 - runescapewasgood
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I bid you the same, good sir. Glad we could argue this out
User avatar #506 to #502 - commontroll
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Indeed. By the way, I love your name.
User avatar #564 to #506 - runescapewasgood
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lol ty
User avatar #152 to #145 - menqudoneix
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following the same beliefs religiously does not help with overcoming ignorance. religion works off of a specific ideology, not practicality or equality.
User avatar #163 to #152 - arandomanon
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The problem is, they are either ignorant to fight ignorance and the ones who aren't, are not interested in that because people are more manipulable when they are ignorant and religious.
#417 to #110 - madmario
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Maybe I'm pretty biased because I was raised Muslims (although I'm atheist now), but it isn't really the Islam so much as the backwards mentality of the cultures these people were brought up in. Like every religion treats women like ****. Islam USED to be really good for women compared to all the other religions. The problem with people in Muslim countries is that they don't know how to progress. They just follow the Quran blindly and go nowhere. It would be like if you took someone from Medieval Europe and put them in modern Europe. Blind religion, no matter which religion, is bad. Islam just happens to have the most people still doing it because of regressive sharia law. Things are starting to change but its still bad. Maybe I'm completely fulfilling my stereotype in saying that this is kind of offensive and racist, but I don't think correlation is causation. Islam doesn't teach any of the things that these awful people do. Being raised Muslim has nothing to do with wanted rape and lack of education for women. It's the culture they're brought up in. Not the religion. That's why there are actually nice countries like Turkey who are Islamic but not backwards and filled with hate-mongering extremists.
#516 to #417 - scantoz
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Unfortunately Islam as a religion is fairly new compared to Christianity and the Hebrew religion which means they're 600 years behind progress wise. If you go back 600 years, Christianity was ****** up and kinda still is.

All im saying is that they need time to grow and it doesn't help that Islam is a religion of an area thats poor and less developed economically and socially than the west or eastern Europe/Asia (Russia).
User avatar #526 to #516 - Crusader
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Islam is 600 years behind christianity?

That would make sense, since Christianity is 600 years older than Islam.
User avatar #566 to #526 - legitlolz
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That was his/her point, dude. Read **** thoroughly.
User avatar #444 to #417 - commontroll
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Well, the government is tolerating in Turkey, but they have quite a lot of aggressive Muslims there who are very hostile to westerners. Even though half of their country used to be a Western civilization.

Not saying all the people are, it'd be like saying all of America hates anybody who isn't a white Protestant who loves American football. But that they have a higher density than other nations. Still, it's good that the government isn't oppressive toward other religions.
User avatar #390 to #110 - lastweek
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Agreed but I still don't think anything should have ever been changed in Sweden. It has nothing to do with their right to practice their religion because most immigrants could have done it where they came from and why should we have to adapt to people we're helping, isn't it enough that their sorry asses If their asses aren't sorry they should have just stayed the **** out because Sweden isn't interesting to begin with (I'm a Swede) are being helped!? Sweden is respecting their rights as a person but for them to acquire special rights which in even disturb others not always but sometimes is unreasonable and that is it.

I like the way things are now and I'm fine with the changes that have been done but like hell things should be changed to fit every single ******* religion we have here, It's freaking impossible to begin with, not to mention unreasonable, and religion is not something a country without a specified religion should be concerned with. this part being my opinion, the rest is just complaints at stupidity
#352 to #110 - fishandchips
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I wanted to thumb you up so badly. so, I clap for you. You and your awesomeness.
I wanted to thumb you up so badly. so, I clap for you. You and your awesomeness.
#173 to #110 - johnnybtrollin
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shhh, careful or the gender neutral feminist state police will get you for being discriminative against minorities.
User avatar #137 to #110 - ompalomper
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swed here, i can confirm this. and i agree 100%

jävla blattar förstör vårt land
#155 to #137 - johnnybing
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#286 to #155 - sokkabingo **User deleted account**
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#320 to #286 - sesamfan
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Trots att jag inte är sverigedemokrat så är denna bild fantastisk!


...saved
#336 to #320 - sokkabingo **User deleted account**
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mfw Jimmie Åkesson
#634 to #320 - niggernazi
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såssesvin
User avatar #433 to #155 - GuardianofzeBlind
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is Sweden taking over Funnyjunk? An excuse for me to learn Swedish! xD
#686 to #433 - johnnybing
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Don't Swedish sounds and feels like a 50kg greasy cheese burger in your mouth.
User avatar #197 to #155 - ompalomper
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lite ironiskt att reagera på ett halv rasistiskt uttalande med en bild på jimmie åkeson va?

för att klara upp lite på minna åsikter kolla på kommentarerna ovan
#200 to #197 - johnnybing
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Det jag menade är att våran Jimmie är prasslad över detta.
Mestadels ett skämt medans jag endå håller med dig till en viss grad.
#242 to #200 - mitchr
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Not that I really care what language you speak in.
#684 to #242 - johnnybing
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apotek apotek neger fitta kuk hahahahahahahahah LUL konsum, ica maxi.

tandläkarens stol ska tränga igenom ditt inre med den svarta saft den han samlat på sig under alla dessa år.
Far får får får, nej får får inte får, får får lamm!
#716 to #684 - fitta
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Comment Picture
#687 to #684 - mitchr
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What?
#689 to #687 - johnnybing
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Wow, "Pupa" seems really good, thanks
User avatar #690 to #689 - mitchr
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I saw a picture from it rolled earlier. So I went to look at it.
It doesn't seem bad, but the comments indicated that the studio is mediocre and that the manga is better.
#691 to #690 - johnnybing
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Ok, then. I'll follow your lead and read the manga instead.
wow, our conversation took a turn...
User avatar #692 to #691 - mitchr
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Indeed it did.
Of course, I'm going to be adding it to a list of a couple hundred to-read mangas; no guarantee it'll ever actually get read. But it sounds interesting, so yeah.
I'm curious about the actual number in that folder... Anyways, got to go. Having lunch with sister. I'll send ya a friend request.
#693 to #692 - johnnybing
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Ok then, that sounds a little like my "Too-see anime list" folder.
Its about 2 terrabyte....
User avatar #696 to #693 - mitchr
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Hahaha.
Yeah, that's a pretty good size. I also have several hundred manga chapters to catch up on from 50+ different mangas. At least.
#688 to #687 - johnnybing
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Yes
#627 to #242 - anon id: 7a87de19
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De håller en konversation i dina framtida herrars språk.
Var nu tyst underlägsna utböling.
User avatar #186 to #137 - robdabob
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p12 påstående, det är deras sätt att uppfostra på som är så ******* fel, jag känner många som inte har 100% svensk bakgrund, världens trevligaste person... sen finns det ju rötägg i alla jävla färger... så dra inte alla över en kant.
User avatar #192 to #186 - ompalomper
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sant men notera att jag sa blattar. jag använder ordet blatte för att syfta på en sån jävel som inte anstränger sig för att passa in eller ens lära sig svenska medans alla andra personerna som inte är etniska svenskar men ändå or sjysta or helt enkelt vanlight folk.

ungefär som internet pratar om svarta personer och negrer. en svart person är en man/kvinna med brun hy medans en neger är en cykel stjälande arsel.
User avatar #414 to #192 - neoexdeath
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No, you cannot have my meatballs.
User avatar #178 to #137 - Znoflats
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Asså sluta vara en jävla rasist. Ge mig snälla exempel på varför "blattar" förstör vårat land, för jag förstår mig fan inte på det!
User avatar #622 to #178 - lorkhan
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Det kallas att vara realist, inte för rasist.
User avatar #207 to #178 - alstorp
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Våldtäcktsvågen i Stockholm är ett bra exempel, förresten. Hundratals kvinnor blev våldtagna 2010 i Stockholm av ingen mindre än en stor grupp med äckliga invandrare. De gjorde detta för att de kände sig kränkta över något med deras flagga som inte var uppsatt någonstans eller nått.

De våldtog t.om tiotals kvinnor i en ******* KYRKOGÅRD. Äckliga jävla människor.

Det värsta är att detta är definitivt inte den första gången något sånt här händer. Och det är fan nästan alltid invandrare. Fan, Lasermannen var en helt ok snubbe endå.
#353 to #207 - anon id: 0f35d258
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Källkritik för helvete, du försöker bara hitta bekräftelser och ursäkter för din främlingsfientlighet.
User avatar #355 to #353 - alstorp
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Hahaha!
User avatar #322 to #207 - sesamfan
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källor på att det är överrepresentation av muslimer i våldtäkter tack
User avatar #323 to #322 - alstorp
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User avatar #345 to #323 - sesamfan
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Du inser att samtliga "källor" är ifrån bloggar, flashback och nyhetssidor med ungefär samma neutralitet som Bill O'Riley va? ge mig en forskningsrapport gjord under låt oss säga fem-tio år som stödjer ditt påstående så är jag med dig alla dagar. Att det är olagligt att nämna vilken religion/etniskt arv en förövare tillhör i Sverige kan jag glömma för tillfället.

Jag håller absolut med om att vissa invandrare är jävla rövhål. När det kom nya flyktingbarn("barn" 20-22 år gamla skulle jag tro) till min skola började vissa slåss och vara allmänt jävliga. Men andra var assköna snubbar som bara ville leva sitt liv ifred från folkmord och annat skit.
User avatar #219 to #207 - Znoflats
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Alla folkgrupper våldtar. Alla folkgrupper är lika mycket svin. Jag tvivlar också starkt på det med flaggan utan en källa. Men iaf, man är inte mer av ett svin bara för att man är av annat ursprung. Vi svenskar utför brott precis som alla andra varje dag.
User avatar #221 to #219 - Znoflats
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Och dra inte alla över en kam. Gör några fel ska inte alla drabbas.
User avatar #235 to #221 - alstorp
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Tror du att så många ser ner på invandrare bara för att ha något att göra? De har förtjänat det här ryktet. T.om våra politiker försöker att åtgärda. T.om median inser, och riktar sig mot detta.

Jag antar att du är en?
User avatar #245 to #235 - Znoflats
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Vi har fått det intrycket av att alla invandrare är svin för att då en svensk utför ett brott så kan vi inte säga "Ah alla jävla svennar asså, åt helvete med dem", för vi är ju själv svenskar och kan inte säga så om oss själva. Det är lättare att skylla på en hel folkgrupp då min inte tillhör den själv. Och majoriteten av de invandrare som kommer till sverige har haft hårda liv som de var tvungna att fly ifrån. Så säg inte att säg inte att de förstör våra liv när deras egna redan är över om vi inte hjälper dem.
User avatar #624 to #245 - lorkhan
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Jag ogillar inte dem för att de är från ett annat land, jag ogillar dem för att majoriteten är ass, och tvingar på oss deras kultur. Ingen säger här att svenskar inte gör något fel.
User avatar #202 to #178 - alstorp
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*******
User avatar #195 to #178 - ompalomper
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se mitt svar till robdabob.

jag snackar heders mördare, kvinnoförtryckare, bidrags snyltare idioter som vill få igenom en lag ändring for att tillåta en man att ha flera fruar.

jag skojar inte ens om det sista. kolla upp det, om jag kommer ihåg rätt så var det miljöpartiet som utallade sig om saken. helt jävla otroligt
User avatar #214 to #195 - Znoflats
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Istället för att då bara anklaga invandrare så kan man ju istället säga att dumma ovårdade idioter förstör vårt land. Man behöver som sagt inte dra alla över en kam.
User avatar #232 to #214 - ompalomper
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men det gjorde jag inte eller åtminstånde menade jag inte att göra det. när jag väl kollar på kommentaren så var den ganska dåligt ordad men jag sa aldrig att invandrare förstör landet. en sådan "DE TOG VÅRA JOB" attityd är bara korkad och on man nu vill klaga på invandrar situationen så ska man klaga på regeringen. allvarligt, vem i helvete trode att det skulle vara en bra idee att man måste ha ett uppbehålls tillstånd för att få arbeta? det borde vara tvärt om! när du väl fått ett jobb eller påbörjat en jobbutbildning så borde de få uppbehålls tillstånd. vad vi får nu är en massa kvalificerade flyktingar som inte FÅR jobba eftersom att de inte får uppbehålls tillstånd. och detta är utan att prata om hur vi fixar boende. herregun, det är som om ingen fattar att om du bygger ett lägenhets komplex och fyller det med personer av samma kultur så kommer kulturen att vara kvar, det kommer inte vara någon motivation till att anpassa sig.

jävla fan alltså, vårt land är inte så bra som det skulle kunna vara
User avatar #263 to #232 - Znoflats
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sant
User avatar #138 to #110 - walruskingofsweden
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I feel bad for sweden with all the muslim trash moving in.
#391 to #110 - thatoneiranianguy
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People can't really be thumbing your ill-informed, ignorant ass up, can they?

I'm not even going to bother correcting you or several things about Islamic society which you clearly have no clue about, as several people below me have already.

You can never generalise about a whole group of people like this, and the fact you barely know anything about them makes your credibility for everything you just said shoot straight down the *******.

But hey, atleast you tried.
#405 to #391 - greatgranpapy
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User avatar #408 to #405 - thatoneiranianguy
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Radicals are not the same as fundamentalists.

Fundamentalists can be a type of radical, but not so. If you studied anything about Islamic history you'd probably understand where this radicalism thrived from.
User avatar #534 to #405 - Crusader
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People use "fundamentalist" as a very broad term strangely enough.
They use it to describe anyone that believes in the fundamental rules, which is correct, but realistically there are many interpretations of these rules.
Let's take the 10 Commandments from Christianity/Judaism.
Thou shalt have no other gods before me - What do we consider a god? Someone that we literally is in control of everything? Or just someone that we adore and admire and "worship"
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image. - What about making an image of God or Jesus like many people have in their homes? Or a cross, etc
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain. - What is considered in vain though? If I say "God damn you" is that in vain?
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. - What if you are working for god's will? like a priest or helping those less fortunate
Honour thy father and thy mother - What if thy father and mother are heathens? Or Murderers, or are just bad people?
Thou shalt not kill - What if someone attacks me? Or killing them saves another?
Thou shalt not commit adultery - What about a threeway?
Thou shalt not steal - What if it's to feed my starving family? Or it's stealing from the greedy?
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour - What if this is the only way that he can be punished because he did immoral things that other people don't know about?
Thou shalt not covet - Yeah, we can agree with this
See these are the fundamentals and they can be debated.
Even if you go more basic, there is a God in heaven and he sacrificed his only son so that we may be good people and join him. - What is good? I know plenty of good people that aren't "Christian Good"

TLDR - We should call fundamentalists assholes instead, it's much more effective.
User avatar #394 to #391 - lastweek
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The fact that opression is continued in the name of the religion should be enough to not ******* ADAPT THE **** YOU ASSHAT adapt it into our society when one might as well practice it down there if it's so important.
User avatar #407 to #394 - thatoneiranianguy
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Where's the oppression you speak of that's being continued throughout the western world?

Yes, there are Islamic radicals that exist in other places outside the Islamic world, these people barely know and understand their own religion moreso than this guy does.

Nobody said you couldn't do anything about it. You chose to sit there and deal with it. If you're European, tell the EU to **** off and start doing heavier investigations into all immigrants and stop being so ******* open to them.

In the U.S. muslims are barely a problem because we actually attempt to ******* assimilate them to our culture - not preserve foreign culture like the Eurotards have managed to come to terms with.
User avatar #419 to #407 - lastweek
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If this is not happening why did you even need to say "You can never generalise about a whole group of people like this, and the fact you barely know anything about them makes your credibility for everything you just said shoot straight down the *******. "?

Get your head out of your asshat and understand that the main point I want to make is that a country should not change because someone who comes in has another religion. If the religion can't be practiced in the country due to it being illegal. then people practicing the religion shouldn't go to the country in the first place. Certain things are illegal for a reason, I don't know much about Islam but I do know that according to a lot of interpretations oppression (and other bad things) are the right way to go. If all religions were given what they want because otherwise it is "discrimination" it would be good to kill so I'm greatly against changing a country in any way for religion. It's obvious that a person thinks once one has gotten things the way one wants it can be done again and things can escalate into worse cases which it would due to previous changes without any problem be possible to see as discrimination. If one moves to a country one should be prepared to follow the laws in that country.
User avatar #424 to #419 - thatoneiranianguy
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I never said I didn't agree with the post though to the general extent. People belong in their respective places and shouldn't be able to make others conform. That doesn't go just for Muslims, it goes for everyone.
User avatar #429 to #424 - lastweek
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There are a bunch of parts of christianity (at least the original one) that aren't allowed here in Sweden and yet sweden has been considered a christian country, of course it isn't anymore, thank god talking about my fake religions god, vishnu, I don't know why me and my friend decided to take vishnu's name for the god but we did .
User avatar #401 to #391 - IceViper
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name one reason why religion isnt the cause of the middle east being a ********
User avatar #535 to #401 - Crusader
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Massive political strife over the past 4000 years?
Oldest civilized region of the world is going to be fought over?
User avatar #668 to #535 - IceViper
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Massive political strife-overcame by all other society because they could accept secularity.
Oldest civilized region to be fought over-people fighting over the holy lands because of religion.

User avatar #415 to #401 - thatoneiranianguy
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I'm not even going to get into that, the reason the Islamic world is the way it is now has to deal with three massive culture shocks that happened from 1950-1990.

The fact is, the Middle East has not always been a place where the stereotype is guys blowing themselves up and women are covered from head to toe. Infact at one point Islamic "scholars" that control countries today have never had truly any power then. Which is why the middle east was very prosperous and kept up with human rights.

You can thank the U.S., The E.U. and the Soviet Union for throwing so many culture shocks throughout the region. But hey, you knew that already.
User avatar #420 to #415 - IceViper
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I never said that the middle east was full of guys blowing themselves up and women covered from head to toe.

The fact is, that the middle east has lots of wealth in resources (especially oil) and yet, it is still behind most of asia and the western countries in HDI (standard of living). The only way to explain this is by religion influencing the government heavily, while the rest of the progressing world has secular governments.
#431 to #420 - thatoneiranianguy
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For awhile, up before the late 1970's if you analyze the Islamic World critically, many nations were fairly doing better because they were ran by secular, non-theocratic governments. They were doing better than most Soviet-Bloc countries and East Asian countries. Which is kind of surprising, but so it was the case.   
   
The problem isn't Religion at the core but two things: Misinterpretation of a Religious text - which then leads to the second core problem (which is arguably the worst government form ever) is Theocracies.    
   
Theocracies have existed in all religious societies at one point or another and generally they crashed hard and ruined the experience for everyone.    
   
For awhile, starting in the 50's, the U.S. was sliding in to the Middle East for control over the resources there, it was a strategic point we couldn't let the Soviets get ahold of. Kind of a culture shock for the Muslims, but hey, they liked a lot of what the west had to bring. And their lives didn't change too much. Come the late 60's and 1970's is when Communism started to weave its way into the Middle East. It weaved its way in successfuly none the less, this is when things started to get ugly.    
   
Let's use Afghanistan for example. Prosperous, Capitalist, Democratic nation, all is well. One day Socialism takes over, huge culture shock...people don't really like it. The U.S. and the E.U. get angry. So does the only nutjobs in the Middle East that nobody else likes (at the time) Saudi Arabia.   
   
So what does the U.S. decide to do? Fund Saudi Wahhabi conservatives which have a really dislodged interpretation of Islam (their interpretation isn't the only thing dislodged.) to expel the Soviets, which became Al-Qaeda.    
   
Most of these people at the time and still today were a very very small minority in Islam. The only reason it's expanded is because the Wahhabi Sauds managed to brainwash lots of people along the way.    
   
There's much more to this though.    
>Obligatory the Jews did it joke
For awhile, up before the late 1970's if you analyze the Islamic World critically, many nations were fairly doing better because they were ran by secular, non-theocratic governments. They were doing better than most Soviet-Bloc countries and East Asian countries. Which is kind of surprising, but so it was the case.

The problem isn't Religion at the core but two things: Misinterpretation of a Religious text - which then leads to the second core problem (which is arguably the worst government form ever) is Theocracies.

Theocracies have existed in all religious societies at one point or another and generally they crashed hard and ruined the experience for everyone.

For awhile, starting in the 50's, the U.S. was sliding in to the Middle East for control over the resources there, it was a strategic point we couldn't let the Soviets get ahold of. Kind of a culture shock for the Muslims, but hey, they liked a lot of what the west had to bring. And their lives didn't change too much. Come the late 60's and 1970's is when Communism started to weave its way into the Middle East. It weaved its way in successfuly none the less, this is when things started to get ugly.

Let's use Afghanistan for example. Prosperous, Capitalist, Democratic nation, all is well. One day Socialism takes over, huge culture shock...people don't really like it. The U.S. and the E.U. get angry. So does the only nutjobs in the Middle East that nobody else likes (at the time) Saudi Arabia.

So what does the U.S. decide to do? Fund Saudi Wahhabi conservatives which have a really dislodged interpretation of Islam (their interpretation isn't the only thing dislodged.) to expel the Soviets, which became Al-Qaeda.

Most of these people at the time and still today were a very very small minority in Islam. The only reason it's expanded is because the Wahhabi Sauds managed to brainwash lots of people along the way.

There's much more to this though.
>Obligatory the Jews did it joke
User avatar #453 to #431 - IceViper
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I completely agree that misinterpretation of the Quran is a huge problem.

Theocratic government is also bad.

The proceedings between the USA and the USSR in the 1950s-1980s definitely shook up the Middle East, but i am saying that if there was no problem to begin with, there would be no problem of misinterpretation or theocracy.
User avatar #461 to #453 - thatoneiranianguy
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I can see where you're coming from.

In general you could argue religion itself is the problem - as if it wasn't there - there would be no problem of those two things. However, whether one disagrees or agrees with religion - we live in a world where it exists and may or may not always exist. That being said, we now live in a time where information is more readily available. So in theory, it's essentially easier to clean up the mess that people have left behind, and let these religious societies progress.

What I can't understand, is in this day and age is why many people still can't accept the fact that religions will and can thrive even to greater lengths than ever before if you don't make your beliefs define you. I mean it's fine to believe in whatever but when your actions and thoughts are based on your religious background is what worries me. Most religions are based on "Believe in this deity and you go to the afterlife" You in theory really don't have to be a good (insert religion here) to make it in.
User avatar #463 to #461 - IceViper
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Exactly. If there was a god (which i bet there isn't) then he would let all good people get into the afterlife rather than just the people that believed in him.
User avatar #446 to #391 - chittywok **User deleted account**
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i want to thank you for knowing your ****
the sweed is ignant
#531 to #446 - scantoz
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Ignit? Yes, but its the truth. In England the muslims are causing **** because the English culture is not conformed to the area these Muslims are from and are quick to pull out the discrimination card when someone challenges them or their religion.

When you move to a different area you cannot hope for the locals to bend to your will, thats true ignorance.
User avatar #694 to #110 - skysailor
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It's not about Muslims. It's just about assholes.

Religion of any sort can be either wonderful or horrible depending on how one interprets it. If you talk about God so highly and then treat people like **** under the guise of religion, you're an asshole.
#713 to #110 - countsandpaper
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Är ju egentligen olika delar tror jag... Sharia är skit indeed, men muslimer får göra bäst fan dom vill. Bara dom följer svenska lagar o inte skadar någon. (Vilket en majoritet faktiskt gör) Kram på dig
#714 to #713 - cursesnew
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As long as they follow the laws I'm fine with them. When they want to throw in their Sharia laws is when I want them to shut up.
#715 to #714 - countsandpaper
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ofc
User avatar #618 to #110 - lorkhan
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I'm swedish, This ^. If I said anything remotly close to this I'd get branded a racist. But in truth its just like this. We in Sweden and I think Denmark and Norway get overrun by arabs imposing their culture, their rules, their traditions and their customs. While we have to pay with women geting raped, men being assulted. Money out of taxes goes out to pay for moskés. But I totally agree with you, if you come to a country you have to abide but THAT countrys laws. And of course you can still pray and believe in what you want, and make women wear burkas for what ever reason. But don't you ******* dare to say you're discrimination against us. You are the ones that knocks, and we are the ones that lets you in. Be ******* thankfull.
User avatar #630 to #618 - nomisdk
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i can confirm that danmark is overrun. and boy do they like to hide behind the word "racist". basterst dont even kown what it menes
#631 to #618 - klutzyspy
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noone should make women wear anything at all
User avatar #619 to #618 - lorkhan
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Discriminated against*
#680 to #110 - anon id: eceb5aa1
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As a Muslim I agree with you.
Every country should have it's own law
Introducing Al Sharia to non-Muslim country isn't sane.
User avatar #593 to #110 - drooms
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I suppose Muslims look at these guys as you look at the Westboro Baptist Church.
#603 to #593 - sreggin
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its all relative yo
#608 to #110 - aljabr
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I will respectfully have to disagree. I don't believe religion and prosperity/progress are mutually exclusive. You can have one while abiding to the other. Consider the Islamic Golden Age. The basis of modern Algebra, Chemistry, Physics, Astronomy, Medicine, etc. is based on the inventions of important Muslim scholars around 1200 A.D. The European Renaissance and Enlightenment era has roots in the Islamic Golden Age where important trading routes were opened during the Crusades. The diffusion significantly improved the European/Christian way of life in the Dark Ages. Society at that time was based solely on Islamic teachings and laws, yet significant prosperity and freedom was still there.

It's the lack of education and development in these countries that are keeping them from open minded thinking. Maybe instead of suppressing such countries we should lend a helping hand for the good of humanity as a whole.
#376 to #110 - happyfatkid
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Thumbed up
Thumbed up
User avatar #522 to #110 - tabarzins
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Christianity had its dark ages.
Now Islam has its.
User avatar #524 to #522 - Crusader
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If I remember correctly, Jews weren't the nicest about 2013 years ago, Hindus went seem to have trouble staying ahead of the Muslims, and Sikhs and Buddhists somehow have these strange super crazy sects.
User avatar #578 to #524 - playerdous
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Yeah ******* Jews going around back in the day 1900 years ago spreadin this Christianity crap wtf I'm trying to sacrifice my goat and they just walk up all "have you heard the word of god" what's this **** for, I'm tryin to appeal to 20 ******* gods and you say there's only one. MFW circa 113 B.C.E.
User avatar #632 to #110 - magusto
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to be honest i am a muslim myself and i don't yell discrimination everytime something bad happens, people should deal with problems and get around them themselves and don't cry around, I myself find these people ignorant who just think about their religion and themselves, they don't give a **** and they behave like little kids.

I am not offended by any other than these guys because they make themselves and my religion look bad.

That's just sad.
#398 to #110 - anon id: 14edf957
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I really do like the flowchart of things

>countries are fubar from living as they do
>leave for better country
>attempt to live exactly the same way there
>new country gets ****** too
>connection never made
#609 to #110 - dafiltafish
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(All the comments below)
User avatar #389 to #110 - kaisermike
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Enjoy your level ups mein freund, you are right.
#374 to #110 - voidherald
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"There is a reason their country is a **** hole and ours isn't. Religion can **** things up pretty good. "

I don't disagree but you really can't ignore the West's presence here. Soviet Union certainly ****** **** up pretty good, and it's worth mentioning that nearly all the religious fundamentalist governments were originally backed by the U.S. in order to combat the Soviet Union.

Tl;dr: Religion is pretty **** but we can't forget that we kind of created the problem.
#300 to #110 - ceasario
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sir. I respect you, the people of Earth should respect you. But most importantly people should listen to you.
#652 to #110 - asrial
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It's not explicitely practiced by their religion, it's just those countries local culture that makes it seem that way. Christianity also got some pretty ****** up cases.

But yes, if you move to a country, respect that it's a pre-established country with a preset set of rules and norms. Here in Denmark, they started to butcher a lot of meat under the halal guidelines, which caused controversy since you really can't choose anymore how your meat is treated (lol). Halal butchering is pretty gruesome too, no need to give vegans another reason to hate us normal omnivores.

There also were a case in Kokkedal, where a muslim minority was in the administration of a neighborhood. They assigned a ton of money for the Eid-fest, but denied the community a christmas tree.
User avatar #151 to #110 - peggscott
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I agree, they have flaws. But so do a lot of religions... They just hid it better
User avatar #523 to #110 - Crusader
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Just as well, it's only done in those countries, those are all cases of culture superseding religion.

In Islam, actual Islam, women are respected, the problem is that over the past 1500 years, those rules have been twisted.
The whole "women have to be covered up" originally was a good plan, a woman was to be covered up so that she was judged for her mind and heart over her body and she did not become the object of desire.
The whole "women can't travel alone" thing is because back then it wasn't safe to travel alone, especially as a woman.
As for the getting stoned if she was raped, if I remember correctly, that used to happen in most other countries as well, it's like yelling at a child because he's doing something childish, on the scale of civilization, the middle east is lacking in the human rights department, I agree, but I have yet to see them try and put Sharia Law into effect in places like Canada and the USA.

TLDR - People are looking at an infected finger and saying the body is bad.
User avatar #573 to #523 - playerdous
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Agreed in the US Islam is just another religion.
User avatar #176 to #110 - Znoflats
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What's with all the muslim hate in the comments? I'm from sweden and I can proudly say that sweden is a great country. We are open to all religions, we let in people from every ethnicity into our country and grant them asylum. Guess why lots muslims are moving to sweden? It's like you say, their country is a **** hole. It's run by a ****** government who doesn't know what's best for their people. Sweden is a free and caring country where they'll live proper lifes. SD is the worst thing ever happened to sweden. We don't just have to take care of the swedish people. Everyone is human and everyone should be treated that way.
#247 to #176 - johnnybtrollin
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This image has expired
go choke on some **********
User avatar #252 to #247 - Znoflats
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That's a strong argument..
User avatar #635 to #247 - niggernazi
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that /pol/tardness in that pic
User avatar #620 to #176 - lorkhan
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I know its unaccpetable by swedes to say they support the SD, but they certainly have a point in what they are doing. Sweden is a great country, but its starting to suck more and more because of reasons. And crime rate is pretty high. I myself was once assulted because I had long hair, and I guess that is aborrant in their eyes. So they can come here sure, but with they way they are acting now. I'd rather have tem leave then stay. They need to know to behave until I'll open up more.
#437 to #176 - ohnotwoone
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Funnyjunk hates everything. Including itself.
User avatar #260 to #176 - Fryskelijer
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Sweden yes
#273 to #110 - olafthebard
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A lot of thinks can **** **** up pretty good, for the most part people who practice religions are decent folk.
User avatar #303 to #273 - newsuperyoshi
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To be honest, it's the over zealots that makes even normal faithful look bad.
User avatar #313 to #110 - runescapewasgood
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Actually, you just described the Bible pretty well.

If anything, the Quran says that women should be treated better than men. When I have a wife, if she ever gets raped, I will find the rapist and ******* destroy him/her.

By the way, I live in America, but I'm not forcing myself on others, asshole. Instead of generalizing about millions, perhaps even billions of people, how about you take a good look at yourself and stop being a stereotyping asshole just following the damn bandwagon?
User avatar #326 to #313 - corso
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He never said anything about America, or you forcing yourself on anyone. The **** are you talking about?
User avatar #443 to #326 - runescapewasgood
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"Then some or a lot of Muslims thinks it's a good idea to introduce barbaric sharia laws." He may have specified Sweden, but it was implied that it applied to all democracies. Also, the quotation above shows that he in fact did talk about them forcing laws.
User avatar #362 to #313 - Nullifier
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This.

I mean, maybe if this guy cited something, it'd be a bit more credible...but you can't just draw huge generalizations about an entire religion...no matter what it is
User avatar #265 to #110 - chaossniper
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ok, i am muslim i would like that sharia is applied everywhere but don't get me wrong
what you just described isn't sharia, that is some stupid souls who fail to understand what islam is.
for instence the raped scenario 1 the woman don't get killed 2 the man don(t get killed unless 2.1 he is married 2.2 4 men witnessed the act
#294 to #265 - conradthethird
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You go tell /b/ that.
User avatar #269 to #265 - thegrayfox
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**** off, and take your ******* with you.
#458 to #110 - AdamAcev
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Islam is actually a very peaceful and respectable religion. What you know of concerning women not allowed to drive is only in the extremist areas of Muslim societies that make up only 3% of the Muslim population and are portrayed through the media. In reality, women in Islamic societies actually do have more rights and are not subject to as much oppression as one might assume.   
   
tl;dr don't be an ignorant cunt and believe whatever the media tells you; do some research and you'll find Islam being a very peaceful religion.
Islam is actually a very peaceful and respectable religion. What you know of concerning women not allowed to drive is only in the extremist areas of Muslim societies that make up only 3% of the Muslim population and are portrayed through the media. In reality, women in Islamic societies actually do have more rights and are not subject to as much oppression as one might assume.

tl;dr don't be an ignorant cunt and believe whatever the media tells you; do some research and you'll find Islam being a very peaceful religion.
User avatar #525 to #458 - Crusader
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In theory it's peaceful, and has many of values that people on this site have.

In reality though, these values are twisted, much like communism.
User avatar #546 to #525 - wellimnotsure
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Islam is peaceful when everyone is a muslim...
User avatar #537 to #525 - AdamAcev
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it's not theory, it's statistics. Most Muslims actually identify with only one, peaceful lifestyle. It's hard to find those that stray away and have twisted views... Sort of like how the majority of Christians in America are peaceful and only a very small percentage are like the Westboro baptist church and the KKK. I watched a video on Islam today in my Islamics course and it's based on a poll released in 2003.
User avatar #538 to #537 - Crusader
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I wouldn't say that only a few are the kind to get angry, I would say the majority get offended much easier than the majority of Christians. But, regardless, it's probably more of the fact that there are a lot of religious, racial and cultural things mixed together with Islam that you don't tend to see with other religions.
User avatar #540 to #538 - AdamAcev
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That may be true for extremist Muslims, which you can very-well see through the media, but you shouldn't try and assume that for the Muslim majority. Also, it's not that they just get angrier more easily, it's that we have had more of a negative impact on them than they have had on us (I'm assuming you're American). After all, Muslim's are only known to fight in defense, according to the Quran.
User avatar #582 to #458 - playerdous
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First Don't use Ed like this, only when it's a funny lesson. Two any of the big 3 (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) religion helps bring rights to woman compared to nations without them. BUT they only do so much, let's say they get halfway there and culture has to do the rest. Idk any stats but I will say muslims in the US appear fine and dandy like every other religious devotee.
User avatar #599 to #582 - AdamAcev
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thanks for the input, I couldn't tell if you were with me or against me but thanks.
User avatar #560 to #458 - internetzsoviet
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If you think Islam is a peaceful religion, look at every country with a statistical "100% Muslim population" like Yemen.

It isn't a peaceful religion.
User avatar #570 to #560 - AdamAcev
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Have you actually looked at statistical data with violence or have you just made an assumption based on what you've seen in the media? Because, I have actually seen data from real polls taken in 2003 to 2007.


What you are probably referring to with Yemen is that Al Qaeda was once thought to be housed there. Also, it is one of the most poverished countries in all of Islamic society. As a result, just as we have violence in Detroit, Islam has violence in Yemen. Only sometimes is Islam ever associated with violence, and in actually, come as a result of twisted manipulations of Islam. In actuality, Muhammad teaches that Muslims should only ever fight in defense. The way others have manipulated it is nothing like the true religion. Also, just for the sake of comparison, their Al Qaeda is equivalent to our KKK and Westboro.
#580 to #570 - internetzsoviet
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Have you stopped to consider why Yemen is one of the most impoverished Arab countries with a 100% Muslim population? Or why Detroit has a high crime rate?
The situation of a region reveals a lot about it's people, and your inability to connect the concepts of culture/religion and the situation of said region is what keeps a lot of people from seeing the problem, as they have a fear of offending any certain group.

In reference to your conveying of Muhammad's teachings (of which you did not provide a source), it is necessary to ignore his "original teachings" when they obviously are not carried out by his religion's constituents. You cannot say that a rhinoceros will not charge you because they are supposedly "peaceful" creatures when they are equipped with a large horn built for that very purpose. You cannot look at things they way they "should" be. You have to look at them in reality.


And no, Al Qaeda is not the equivalent of the KKK or the Westboro, as I do not see the KKK or the Westboro carrying out daily bombings or suicide attacks, or torture of civilians for that matter.
User avatar #598 to #580 - AdamAcev
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What I was trying to say is that even though Yemen is a violent Muslim country, there are still many countries in the world that are both peaceful and Muslim (and they also make up close to almost 100% population). Saying that Yemen is violent because of Muslims is like assuming that every Muslim is violent... which just isn't true. And the statement I said earlier without a source was from the Quran, so it wasn't like a citation was needed; it was more of like a known fact.

I'm also pretty certain that the KKK has killed one or two people in the past... but that wasn't the point I was trying to make. The point was that religions can often be manipulated to extremist values. In the case of the Muslims it just happens to be Al Qaeda. It is possible that the KKK could've adopted the same methods of terrorism.



User avatar #675 to #598 - internetzsoviet
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I'd like to ask you to name one relatively peaceful and/or developed "1st world" country with near 100% Muslim population. I can not think of any off the top of my head, likely because they do not exist.

If you had read my previous comment I touched on why Muslims are always looked upon as peaceful rather than the violent religion it is. It is because in small groups or individually they are, yes. Once they reach a certain density, things get out of hand and they always do.

In addition to that, you can not compare Al Qaeda to the KKK or the WBC. While I hold extreme contempt for all 3, you simply cannot compare Al Qaeda to either of them when neither of the 2 has committed atrocities on the scale of Al Qaeda.



User avatar #717 to #675 - AdamAcev
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I'm sorry, i really can't argue with you. It's just making me more upset just because I'm just repeating myself at this point and you are just so close-minded... so let me just say some things one more time and encourage that you look up some real statistics like I have before giving your own impression for what you think things are like.

Every extremist religion has the potentiality of becoming like Al Qaeda. Its just that the United States and other countries are more intrusive with Islamic countries and we actually get them to the point where they believe terrorism is okay. The way they manipulate Islam is in no way related to what true Islam is, and the MAJORITY of Muslims do not ever becoming violent as you suggest. Like I said before, only 3% of the Muslim population in the world actually agree and/or a part of Muslim terrorism. So to answer your ignorant question as to whether or not there is a peaceful Muslim country in this Earth is yes. There are countries in this world that are both Muslim and peaceful. In fact, most are more peaceful than the United States (source: www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/violence/by-country/)

If this hasn't changed your perspective on Islam then I don't know what else to say to you.

User avatar #721 to #675 - deathbatdude
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Yemen is a ********. But it doesn't have to do with the fact that their muslim. its because their leaders a corrupt and greedy not because their muslim.
#533 to #458 - tkfourtwoone
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"only in the extremist areas of Muslim societies that make up only 3% of the Muslim population and are portrayed through the media. In reality, women in Islamic societies actually do have more rights and are not subject to as much oppression as one might assume"
"only in the extremist areas of Muslim societies that make up only 3% of the Muslim population and are portrayed through the media. In reality, women in Islamic societies actually do have more rights and are not subject to as much oppression as one might assume"

User avatar #636 to #458 - niggernazi
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yeh, they are very peaceful when they rape and blow up buildings
User avatar #427 to #110 - Sperit
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I am a faithful man in god
but i hate religion
and Muslims
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orly
User avatar #185 to #110 - adolfsatan
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They are doing that in all Europe. I am starting to be so sick at them.
#187 to #185 - europe
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dat ******* name
#280 to #187 - riposter
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I'm sorry you have muslims doing that all over you.
User avatar #237 to #187 - ipostcp
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whats this about names?
User avatar #216 to #187 - crotchlesshotpants
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Stop this ****. You're not the first to do it and it isn't funny.
#361 to #216 - countbleck
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your name   
   
 done because **** your ****
your name

done because **** your ****
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People usually move to other countries because they like their way of living more than they do in their home country, and that makes sense.
But these ******* move to other countries and try to force their rules. I mean, what the hell? If you want it to be like in your country you came from, then ******* go back.
#697 to #287 - grandelaquq
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They might have moved because of war
Going back isn´t an option
User avatar #699 to #697 - toncheky
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Doesn't give them the right to force their stuff.
#597 to #185 - wallbuilder
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YFW
#6 - erpetrich
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As much as this can be true, it won't change the fact the Putin is still a lurid piece of **** and deserves no respect or admiration.
As much as this can be true, it won't change the fact the Putin is still a lurid piece of **** and deserves no respect or admiration.
#16 to #6 - anon id: e328f4d0
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And why do you say this?
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#184 to #6 - anon id: d2ef9b86
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As well as ANY Politician, they are all lying peaces of ****.
User avatar #310 to #6 - rainbowrush
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He's hot, tho
#387 to #6 - anon id: 75aa2199
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We realise that you are paid to say such things online, being a purchased propgandist, but really, do you get paid by number of posts or by the hour?
#604 to #6 - edgecutter
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did you not just read what he said?
#521 to #6 - nyawgga
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don't talk **** about putin
User avatar #579 to #6 - theronj
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Tom Hardy but what movie?
#590 to #6 - anon id: cd571123
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haters gonna hate
#621 to #6 - byzantinian
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Die.
User avatar #644 to #6 - machinimax
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You had to, erpetrich...
YOU JUST HAD TO, HUH?!
#14 to #6 - somekindofname
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How so?
Just curious. I have no idea what his agendas/plans/politics are.
User avatar #19 to #14 - erpetrich
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Its very long and complicated. Too long and detailed to explain all in full on a FJ comment section. Just know that he is not very far way from being called a dictator
#73 to #19 - anon id: 897fed83
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But who does in your opinion ?

Putin isn't perfect..damn he has his own game going on bt at least he is the the one the world needs right now.
He is strong against the USA and Europe and with China togehter he will change the world to a "better" place away from the USA and their game og being important in any way.
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Dictators are bad why? He is not a bastion of freedom, but he isn't all that bad. Say what you will about his recent gay policies, which I agree are too strict. But gays shouldn't be allowed to marry in traditional marriages. Not if the church doesn't want it. Civil unions? Sure. But not marriage.
User avatar #33 to #23 - erpetrich
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Yes, yes he is that bad, he has bribed and cheated his way back into power, since he has been in power several Journalists have been killed, there murders unsolved. He has basically arrested people that criticize him, until you live in a state that is under those conditions, then you don't really have a right to say "he's not that bad"
User avatar #71 to #33 - chaosacaza **User deleted account**
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I genuinely don't think he is that bad (yes I fit your "until you live in a state" criteria) from the point of how he stays in power ect yeah it sucks but I could name 10 other countries that are worse off and about the same that are on par, Plus 5.5% inflation rate with only 5.6% unemployment is pretty awesome. Yeah the GDP is pretty small and wages aren't exactly great but you have the most highly educated population in the world. So sorry but there a much bigger problems in the world.
User avatar #77 to #71 - erpetrich
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Bigger problems than the arrest and killings of people based on their sexuallity and silencing ciritics and journalists through murder, arrest and fear? Not to mention the obvious way he cheated his way back into power. These are some of the most major problems we are all facing today. And are the same kind of things that Sharia Law does as well.
#542 to #77 - anon id: d85e8926
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do you have proof that he is involved in that murders? i didnt think so
dont make **** up you little fagget
User avatar #98 to #77 - chaosacaza **User deleted account**
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Yes, Bigger than those.
Critics/journalists who are criticizing a guy for killing Critics/journalists are fully aware that there is a high chance they are going to be killed. There is more people dying through lack of choice and complete nonavailability of choice caused by poor government or dictators.

As i said sorry but most of those people probably could have left the country and then said what needed to be said and for sure all of them could have not said anything and lived if they were killed because of it. Russia doesn't have people dying in the over 3% mark from starvation, Homelessness and treatable illnesses. Putin may not be a saint but he sure as hell isn't causing Russia to fall apart .

User avatar #101 to #98 - erpetrich
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Yes because dropping everything to escape from your home and away from persecution is just that easy!!
And by your standards, you're basically saying you would rather live uner an oprressive government with little to no freedom of speech, because theres less poor people to deal with? I mean correct me if I'm wrong, but that sounds a little ****** up.
#114 to #101 - chaosacaza **User deleted account**
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I did it. Also i didn't have the privilege of having to say something for someone to feel they need to kill me either or a well paying job as a journalist.

Also the silencing and twisting words is something you're against right? Good job on being a hypocrite. I'm pretty sure it obvious that i was implying i would being able to eat, have a roof over your head and get healthcare and education is more important than being able to complain. I that you are trying to get this argument to a petty who looks better competition (By how you aren't even raising any counter points to anything i have said). SO if you respond with a point that's valid and has any merit what so ever i'd be happy to reply and even admit fault but if not i hope you realise there alot worse things than losing your right of speech.
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Okay...can you please...PLEASE make sure you re-read everything before you post something. This makes almost no sense whatsoever, this is not just me being mean. I would love to give you a proper response to you, I just cannot understand almost anything in this paragraph. Why Am I a hypocrite? For twisting words? Also". I** that you are trying to get this argument to a petty who looks better competition (By how you aren't even raising any counter points to anything i have said). "** makes no goddamn sense, Look, just re write the paragraph, so I can actually understand it and THEN...I can give a response to you, because if I respond to this I'm not gonna get what you're saying.
User avatar #148 to #140 - chaosacaza **User deleted account**
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Also the silencing and twisting words is something you're against right? Good job on being a hypocrite. I'm pretty sure it's obvious that i was implying being able to eat, have a roof over your head and get healthcare and education is more important than being able to complain. I see that you are trying to get this argument to a petty who looks better competition (By how you aren't even raising any counter points to anything i have said). SO if you respond with a point that's valid and has any merit what so ever i'd be happy to reply and even admit fault but if not i hope you realise there alot worse things than losing your right of speech.

Yes for twisting words. I don't really see whats wrong with the sentence you quoted but i will rephrase. You are not saying anything different , You are not even trying to understand the point i am getting across which by the way is that there are people who have done and that are a lot worse than Putin which is a fact and basically you haven't raised one point to say why i am wrong you're just saying i'm wrong by default. So i feel talking to you is pointless.
User avatar #206 to #148 - erpetrich
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Think about what you're saying. Its okay for a government to silence people, to not allow them to speak their opinion, or as you put it" the right to complain". By your point of view Nazi Germany, USSR, Maoist China, Fascist Italy, Yugoslavia under Tito, all dictatorships, that stifle freedom of speech, are justified in there actions...Why? oh because they provide Food, shelter and healthcare. A place where you and I could get arrested for having this conversation, thats okay! I thought you just had bad grammar, but you really are just stupid
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#357 to #251 - somekindofname
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South Africa isn't so bad anymore you know? Several african countries are way worse off and you choose the one that is considered the most powerfull in the region?
But Somalia is ****, Iagree on that one.
And most Russians live a decent life in Russia, but Putin is the wrong leader. There must be better candidates, hopefully one that can work as bridge between USA and China and have better things to worry about than men kissing and people writing mean words about him.
Also, making the example "It could be worse," is so outdated that you should probably look for something else real quick. It works in a close call situation between soldiers or people that has lost a lot, but in more, ehm, "peacefull", situations it doesn't.
Putin needs to stop breaching with the human right of speech and the get on with the mindset of "Who gives a **** about them gays, let them marry outside of church if they want."
At least that's what I'm getting from these comments.
#367 to #357 - sliig
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I have nothing wrong with what you said. I thought South Africans were still killing each other and killing white African children (Africans born white) for witchcraft. apart from that I don't disagree with you.
User avatar #316 to #251 - erpetrich
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Get my head out of my ass?? This guy is saying its okay to give up your freedom of speech! How are they "better off" than anywhere else...
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#359 to #337 - somekindofname
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But Russia is the subject of current speech, not USA and not the african countries. If you want to discuss, you have to discuss subject and not say that well it's worse there so we shouldn't ever try to make it better here.
It's actually a law of discussion that you shouldn't use subjects that are largely irrelevant to the real subject of the discussion and I hardly see the relevance of dragging out my mothers old "The kids in africa has it worse so suck it up," when we aren't discussing africa. We are discussing one of the largest economies on the planet acting like a 3rd world country.
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User avatar #317 to #206 - chaosacaza **User deleted account**
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My grammar is fine. Your spelling is atrocious "uner an oprressive government" also thats is not a word it's that's or that is. By the way that's grammar in case you didn't know.

First off comparing ANY of those to present day Russia. Are you high? Or are you Russian and just want to play the victim? Do you wanna know why those are such good examples of dictatorships? It's because the people were starving and dying without any choice to leave or get a job or anything else. Not just because talking **** about the government was a chargeable offence.

Also can you not read very well because i clearly sated early that it does suck by saying " it sucks". But to you to try and play it up to be this big massive debacle is to be honest ridiculous. People in Russia have freedom of choice they can leave any time they want if they really wanted to and they could also live an above average life if they wanted to stay. You are making it out to be that Russia has it so bad. You think Russia is the only country with censorship issues? Because no other country has government controlled media? And of course No other political figure in the rest of the world has bribed extorted his way into power?

You're completely misguided if you think this is one of the worst problems we have in the world there is way worse than Putin and way worse than Russia take a look at Zimbabwe where i am from our president literally has banned any gay act, Has described himself as "Hitler ten fold" when the British government criticized him, When he lost a parliamentary vote he had some arrested as well as foreign reporters others were reported missing they probably got lost or something though, His advertising campaign was "You wouldn't commit suicide, Vote Mugabe" and this is not to mention the hundreds of families that have been killed by his party and thousands of assaults, rapes, blackmails and extortions.
User avatar #341 to #317 - erpetrich
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Woops a spelling mistake, I can see how thats wrong, I'm not gonna deny it, see how easy that was?
So, since Zimbabwe is a worse country to live in, it justifies what Putin is doing? Since Mugabe is far more homophobic than Putin? Its okay for him to do it? Who's the ******* hypocrite now...you out of all people, a Zimbabwean should see how important freedom of speech is to a country.
User avatar #356 to #341 - chaosacaza **User deleted account**
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I never said it was okay nor was it justified. I'm going to say that again so you can really grasp it. I never said it was okay, get it this time? One more for good measure? Having a government that may kill reporters that talk against them suck.

Now as for the hypocritical statement its still just you sorry I did exactly as I said Russians who are unhappy or being discriminated against should leave, I did leave also i repeat again would care less if I could be arrested for publishing something about the government or couldn't protest gay marriage if my well being otherwise was completely intact and if i were gay i could **** my husband all day long and it be completely legal.

Also its quite the opposite Its because I am Zimbabwean that I know there is alot more important things than freedom of speech.
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Dude. Your grammar is NOT fine.
It's the exact opposite of FINE.
It's like...
NOT FINE.
#126 to #98 - anon id: 2e954672
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"Critics/journalists who are criticizing a guy for killing Critics/journalists are fully aware that there is a high chance they are going to be killed."
Then it's just more important that they do so.
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Never said anything different, But saying that its "some of the most major problems we are all facing today" is a bit over dramatic. Also there is at least 4 governments that have admitted to killing journalists more that have stated would kill people for anything the would deem as conspiracy against the state. Russians have access to out of internal government resources to protest such things others do not just saying there is the right way of going about things and a wrong way.

#447 to #71 - anonymouscat
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Red thumbs means stop, you've already dug yourself fin a hole.
#454 to #447 - chaosacaza **User deleted account**
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I like my hole thanks
I like my hole thanks
#456 to #454 - anonymouscat
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You clearly gave a **** if you continued that classical ******* you would call an argument.
#472 to #456 - chaosacaza **User deleted account**
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About the red thumbs.. Seriously people seem to be getting more stupid.
#476 to #472 - anonymouscat
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"Things people say when they lose an argument."
#490 to #476 - chaosacaza **User deleted account**
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"I thought you just had bad grammar, but you really are just stupid"  Look how about instead of me replying to your bad attempts at bothering me you just keep commenting and if you hit a nerve i'll let you know cool?
"I thought you just had bad grammar, but you really are just stupid" Look how about instead of me replying to your bad attempts at bothering me you just keep commenting and if you hit a nerve i'll let you know cool?
#705 to #490 - anonymouscat
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Inb4 You are replying to my bad attempts at bothering me.
User avatar #103 to #23 - Ruspanic
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Did you just ask why dictators are bad?

As for gay policies - churches are not and will not be forced to marry gay couples if they don't want But churches also do not accord legal benefits to married couples, and as far as legal marriage is concerned the church has no say.

Anyway, no one hates Putin for not legalizing gay marriage - it's not legal in most countries, including most Western European countries. He's hated for his authoritarianism, disregard for free speech, foreign policy, and abuse of the democratic system to maintain his grip on power.
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but why? why shouldn't they?
#84 to #58 - shareacokewith
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Before I start, I have nothing against gays, lesbians, transvestites, bisexuals, etc. Nor do I see any reason why what someone does in their own personal life is my business, because I don't give a **** whether you like to go mercenary with your wife once a week or if you like being gang banged by Tyrone and the gang.

That said, Marriage is a tradition that is held and bound by the Church. I'm not religious either, so I'm not backing the right wing Christians who say gay marriage is wrong. Gay marriage isn't wrong, who says that two people of the same sex can't love each other just as much as a man and a woman.

I believe in equal rights for both parties, but I don't believe in calling what happens when you marry another person of the same sex the same thing as what you call marrying someone of the opposite sex, because why would you want the same label.

The amount of conflict caused by gay marriage is ridiculous, but the Church has a right to feel offended just as much as a gay person has a right to feel offended because of the Church's actions. Just because you don't necessarily agree with a belief doesn't mean it's any less valid than yours.

Sure, some points made by the Church are backwards, and just plain moronic, but have you seen some of the gay people that they have to deal with. Like I said, I have nothing against the gay's as a people, but that doesn't mean there aren't gay people I don't like.

I was once taking a walk through London and saw a Protest that had been started by a gay rights group, right outside a Church of England. Protest is meant to mean that you want to change something, but it should be peaceful. Protesting in front of the very people that hold strong beliefs against you is just instigating a fight. And some of the gay people there didn't care about rights, they were just there to make noise. You know the ones I mean, the gay men that act like women.

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You realize there were such things as marriages before the Church even existed? Marriages were not religious, or regulated by any religious body until the Medieval Ages, where the Church's power grew and they began to take control. Before, marriages simply began with two consensual agreements. Therefore, religion should have no influence over marriage, especially when the marriage offers secular advantages.
#89 to #84 - shareacokewith
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Those are the gays that piss me off, just like a tomboy who acts overly manly, a person who goes to the gym and only talks about the gym, an atheist that slates other religions, a Christian who slates Muslims, any body that over acts based on their beliefs.

Sorry for how long winded this got, but I could talk for hours on this subject.

The main point I was trying to make was that people that are gay should be allowed to make it official that they want to spend the rest of their lives together through some form of ceremony, but they should call it something else, not only because marriage started with the church, but also because it would allow them to make themselves more distinct, and would cause less problems when it came to right wing religious nuts wanting to shove their beliefs down every persons throat who will listen.

TL; DR - If everyone just stopped labelling things and let everyone have their own personal lives without wanting to know what the neighbours were doing because you can't think of anything better to do, this world would be such a happier place, and people probably wouldn't hate each other over stupid things.
User avatar #29 to #14 - jukuku
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Well for one he tried to ban protesting (pretty sure he did) and he rigged the election. Then there's the Chechen war and the anti gay policies.
User avatar #508 to #14 - HonkIfIDriveWell
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He literally declared war on homosexuals.
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He is also blatantly anti-gay rights. The LGBT Russian community suffers greatly under his leadership. Google it.
User avatar #615 to #6 - falconxmard
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I'm glad somebody else said this, because if I did, I'd probably do it in a way that would get me red thumbed.
User avatar #607 to #6 - testing
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Putin is a great guy.
User avatar #440 to #6 - anusraper
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you have no idea what you're talking about, go live a few years in russia, then come back and speak
#11 to #6 - fourtitwo
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Well, that's not very tolerant of you .__.
User avatar #17 to #11 - erpetrich
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I'm not going to be tolerant of a man who abuses people in his own state, locks people up for expressing there own opinion and acts like a dictator Just because he said "I don't like Sharia Law" doesn't overlook the fact that he is one of the worst people in power today.
#76 to #17 - anon id: 897fed83
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You are just one of those Putin haters with no real reason ..just hate wht others hate etc..get your **** together and haha almost every government does that ..god damn that's how things work, there are only few countrys which are a bit "better".

In the end it all comes up to the same **** ..anywhere, and you are talking about "that he is not te leader of choice" ...i mean where is democarcy fair ? where in the world does it really work , show me one country where it's 100 % legit and i will kiss your feet.

Everywhere , everything is **** but he at least some balls, and saved us from well..probably world war 3 or at least another big war.
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"YOU'RE JUST A HAAATTTEERRR" I guess I am. I don't fall in love with a guy just because he had a picture of him shirtless and does Judo, I'm interested in politics and the world. If you genuinly feel that Putin is so great, then do what the American Conservatives say "Why don't you go live there!!"
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He also doesn't say that he dislikes Sharia Law. He says that it has no place in Russia, because Russia has it's own laws, that they are quite content with.
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Look now, abuse of power isn't a regional thing. America especially is renowned for their semi-oppressive ways. The sly manipulations and undermining of the system by the men in power. All states have these people. All states have their less than proud moments. All I'm saying is that Putin has accomplished some impressive deeds.
I'm not saying his an angel, but he's certainly not the devil either.
Furthermore, to a lot of people, he is their leader of choice.
#38 to #28 - crownsedge
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No one is saying that Russian politics and especially Putin is the route cause of all evil, so there's no logical reason you would bring American politics into this, sure it's flawed but take that argument somewhere else because this is about Putin.

Furthermore, "he is their leader of choice", you certainly are misinformed and don't take this an attack on your opinion, it's just fact.
#39 to #38 - fourtitwo
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Then please present said fact.
#40 to #39 - crownsedge
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Type in with your hands and a keyboard "putin rigged election" into google.
#43 to #40 - fourtitwo
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There is 676.000 results from searching "Putin rigged election"
There is 3.550.000 results from searching "Obama rigged election", and I certainly hope that isn't true. People can make all the claims they want, claims do not constitute proof
#47 to #43 - crownsedge
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AND 608.000 results from searching "can't even stick to a simple subject matter"

I get it, you can't stick to one topic at a time, I understand, but please do rattle that little brain and concentrate on Putin for just a short while. How's about reading some of those links and check the sources?
#48 to #47 - fourtitwo
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I did, and they're just as insubstantial as some of the sources I read on the articles on the rigged American election. It's just ******** theories and different political factions trying either to cover their own asses or paint a demon of their political opponents.
If you present to me a single piece of indisputable evidence, I will bow before you. But I don't cave in to bullying.
#53 to #48 - crownsedge
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Wow, you just couldn't help yourself could you? I'm done. Next time you start and argument, stick to the subject matter, it actually makes you seem like a functioning logic driven human being, not a **** slinging little incoherent child, who shifts the blame and says "well they might have done this but what about these guys".

pic related it's you
#78 to #53 - anon id: 897fed83
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People like you disgust me ... always looking at one matter and when something else come up you just shut your ears , grow up kid.

the World sucks , is not fair and democracy works only on paper , that's it enough said.
And anybody who thinks diffrent is an optimistic airhead , like the world was ever a nice place to begin with, we may live a happy life but what value has it when everything around us sucks ?

User avatar #149 to #78 - crownsedge
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The nature of a debate / argument is to have an exchange about a particular subject, if you are in anyway insinuating that I only focus my efforts on one subject in regards to ALL THINGS, you are more than likely mentally retarded, because we had already stapled the key subject as Putin in association with his political misgivings, not America or American politics in anyway shape or form, don't bring **** to a debate or argument that has nothing to do with the key subject, then bitch that you're on some moral high ground because no one wants to talk about what you feel is more important.

And let's drop the act fourtitwo, yeah? We all know you're samefagging the **** out of this thread.
#657 to #149 - fourtitwo
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I don't know what samefagging is .__.
Wow, people don't like me in this thread :/
I just thought it was relevant, that's all. Sorry if I insulted anyway .___.
#56 to #53 - fourtitwo
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Oh yay, sweet victory xD
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Of course he is their leader of choice. He actually gets **** done. He is effective and enduring. He is not overly fond of freedom. But he can do what needs to be done.
#37 to #31 - fourtitwo
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Well put, my good sir-
O' wait, you're a Justin Bieber Fan D: Gross!
User avatar #400 to #6 - wooyoungkim
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Gah. I have mixed feelings about this guy. I mean he's done some good as with reforms and trying to advance the country economically from the mess it was after the fall of the Soviet Union, as well as being the famous outdoorsman, but he still did horrendous stuff to achieve his goals.

I'm not so much into Russian politics but I know for sure that this guy has done some **** in his time as a political leader.
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Oh boy, here we go.
#7 - RageRambo
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Then he went back to imprisoning and treating gays pretty much the same way the muslims do. Nice try Putin you bigotted ****.
User avatar #10 to #7 - sanguinius [OP]
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Well, what you are saying is not true, he isn't imprisoning anyone for being a faggot gay, but for spreading gay propaganda. Which isn't such bud in my opinion, couse faggots are being annoying with that very much last time.
User avatar #15 to #10 - foxxywithpaws
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What you mean is that you're a filthy ******* bigot.
User avatar #671 to #15 - nimithecat
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because "boohoo everybody that disagrees with me must totally be a bigot and wants all gay people like me wiped out" just shut the **** up.
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You are no better than a bigot for judging someone else for thinking differently from you, asshole.
User avatar #670 to #565 - nimithecat
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YOU. ARE. AN. ASSHOLE.

A bigot and an asshole are the same damn thing because they're both made up entirely out of ignorance and respond only with their freaking retarded emotions before their brains even have a chance to process a word they're saying.

User avatar #612 to #565 - foxxywithpaws
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That's not what a bigot is, silly
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Are you really starting this?

What comes to mind right now is that I don't ban gays from getting married, I don't protest when Muslims want to build a mosque in my town. I hate it when people get their rights taken away because of who or what they are.
Live and let live.
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Then why is it that there are laws in countries like the USA that prevent two men or two women who love each other from getting married? It's not about *******, and if you think that then you have some learning to do.

Equal rights seems so easy, but there always have to be turds in the punch-bowl.

I wasn't indoctrinated by "pro gay propaganda", I'm a libertarian, I genuinely care that everyone should be able to do as they please, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone.
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Gay marriage hurts the church in the same way them not allowing it hurts you.

I'm not a christian by any stretch, but I genuinely don't understand why gays want to get married - short of the legal issues surrounding it, I mean. I.E, next of kin rights.

If they gave civil partnerships the same rights as marriage, gays still wouldn't be happy. Just because it's not using the bloody word.
User avatar #50 to #44 - foxxywithpaws
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Marriage is not a religious tradition though, certainly not in this day and age where it's really just a contract between two people who want to spend their lives together.
Either let all people marry each other and have a marriage, or absolve the entire concept of marriage and call everything a civil union, as long as equal rights (in full!) for everyone isn't realised, people will of course not "be happy".
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Or maybe, MAYBE the more east you go, the less homosexuality is accepted in the given society. WOW. SUCH REVELATION.

Are you comparing autism to homosexuality now? Are you really? Maybe it's because autism is a neurological disorder. Homosexuality is not.

I'm sure that I won't change the world, unless it's by pure chance. I'm a tiny speck in the universe, the chance that I will change the world is probably less than the chance that a Cessna will land on my face in my lifetime.
Stop making assumptions and claims.
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And you know what bigot means at least you stupid cunt? I dont think so, couse I havent even spoke a word about religion. But you were so indoctrinated that people with different view you can only call "bigot" without even understanding what such word means. So stfu
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"Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot: someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of a person's ethnicity, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics."

Please tell me, oh great one, where have I shown signs of bigotry?

Now, do you even know what "indoctrinated" means? You fling it around like plates at a Greek wedding.
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Of course! "Indoctrination is the process of inculcating ideas, attitudes, cognitive strategies or a professional methodology (see doctrine).[1] It is often distinguished from education by the fact that the indoctrinated person is expected not to question or critically examine the doctrine they have learned.[2]". And by that I can assume that you were "indoctrinated" by nowadays left-sided media without looking at such topic from different views.
Also bigot reffers often to person who is too much religious, and which is also quite indocrtinated
User avatar #67 to #57 - foxxywithpaws
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What evidence do you have that I am indoctrinated?
User avatar #83 to #67 - sanguinius [OP]
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Well, that what you are saying shows it...
#18 to #15 - sas
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that is even more mature
way to go, you stinkin liberal
If you're supposed to show your moral highground you might atleast act like it
#20 to #18 - foxxywithpaws
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I'm not a liberal, you ignorant wanker. I'm a bi-fag and hearing "gay propaganda" like it's a thing angers me to no extent.
#21 to #20 - sas
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I'm not one to really take sides but if those russians see it as such.
Who are we to judge? I bet you accept muslims stoning and hanging homosexuals just because that's their "culture" and "religion"
Pfffft
#22 to #21 - foxxywithpaws
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You make these assumptions... you're kind of a cunt...

**** you
#24 to #22 - sas
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I don't see myself as someone superior.
I'm just as **** as the rest of the world
#62 to #7 - nimithecat
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Or you know... they could move over here into America or Europe and get some gay rights.Certainly much easier and less time consuming than staying in one place and trying to change an entire government.
It 's not that hard, really.

The fact is, the governments need the people just as much as the people need them.
People's income tax, and other forms of being extorted by the government on a weekly basis are a common thing for everyone; the fewer people these governments have to extort, the less money they will have to do all sorts of governmentsy stuff, like building roads or strengthening their military that they oh-so-love.

So i say, it's kindof a slow manner of shooting themselves in the leg, really.

Frankly I'm not gay, and I hate to sound like an asshole, but I don't really give a **** about the gays either since it doesn't concern my life, but of course.. I don't HATE them either. I just feel uncomfortable around them since I don't like what they like, hence why i don't hang out with rednecks and pig ******* either.

So if you're willing to do bash me for not being "burr hurr must supprt geis", let me borrow one of your ***** for a moment, and then give it back to you.


So here's the idea for you TLR -tards,

*If a huge group of people leaves a country, you give the country less money.
*Countries like money, and if a lot of their people move out, they can't get your money.
*If you can't have your rights in one place, it's much easier to get your rights in another country, particularly America, since apparently we Americans love gays more than chocolate.


So get to it, fly to our country of "freedom" so we can extort your paychecks on a weekly basis of your tax money so you can have some special rights granted.
Our country gets richer, we give you 'freedom", Russia looks like a bad guy, and you live life happily ever after, complete with a flamboyant musical.


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Because moving across the globe to escape persecution is just that easy!!
#94 to #88 - nimithecat
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Or just go a few hundred miles south to a country that has gay rights. Homosexuality is like a fad these days, everybody is supporting them so that angry fat bitches don't yell at them all day over how "gay people are so perfect and should fit in society".

Why not have them blend in with society and keep their sexuality to themselves?
I'm sure that would help a lot with making friends. Now the governments also need to do their part too and let them have their rights too.

For now, it's best to show a good example for other governments by setting a good example of how gays help society by going to one that allows them in, and show how that country/community prospers with their help.

However FORCING things will reduce you into a gay version of feminists, make people respect you less, and give people more reasons not to cooperate with you.

It is more effective to show people how well they can function with society by setting a good example, rather than becoming obnoxious and flamboyant to convey a message of "uniqueness".
#536 to #94 - nickypickle
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look, what he was saying, is that its very inconvenient to move across the globe because of the different language, setting, jobs, talents and society as a citizen in an unknown area.

ok, so, "blend in with society"?
I really don't think that works. what about the people who are strongly against homosexuality? Huh? Do you think ethnic, religious and sexual values is such an easy thing to express, especially throughout countries that AREN'T america or europe? Or would you just like to hide it? is that your point?

and what is your version of the term "forcing"? Is it angrily trying to provoke others into trying to accept homosexuality? what if the people who are homosexual don't care about respect?

You think everything is so simple and so straightforward for a very large group of people to follow a certain instinct when you don't even know what their background is, and if they even have the funds to move where they can live freely. in other words, please stop trying.
#562 to #536 - nimithecat
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You people act like total freaking victims. Just shut up about it and learn to live normally.

If you want to be accepted and make friends, then find somewhere that you fit in and stick to it. It's just like highschool all over again in our childhoods.

It can be done again.

Now if you're going to be some half-minded rabid idiots acting like bronies and calling anybody who disagrees with you a bigot, then I will disrespect you just as i would with a feminist.

Yes, you are reducing yourself to feminist status.

INteresting to learn a new perspective, isn't it?
#567 to #562 - nickypickle
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oh no, I'm a privileged 6"2 asian male in america    
   
in fact, I don't really give a ****    
   
you're just trying to make a point and honestly you really aren't. or at least to an extent at which I stopped caring. also don't be like the 99% and compare a fandom to concept, because at that point, you're being hypocritical    
   
Yes, you are reducing yourself to an avatarfag.
oh no, I'm a privileged 6"2 asian male in america

in fact, I don't really give a ****

you're just trying to make a point and honestly you really aren't. or at least to an extent at which I stopped caring. also don't be like the 99% and compare a fandom to concept, because at that point, you're being hypocritical

Yes, you are reducing yourself to an avatarfag.
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You are still making yourself seem like a hero while completely ignoring the point.
Basically, you aren't even paying attention because you didn't even explain a flaw in my argument aside from comparing your rabid response to a rabid fandom.
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oh don't thumb me down, that'll hurt muh feelings

I'm not making myself seem like a hero. I'm not completely ignoring the point. In fact, I'm starting to question whether you're completely ignoring the point. You didn't answer any of my previous questions.

not one. explain, how, in 2013, a homosexual muslim ****** lesbian mexican family is supposed to get by in Russia.
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By not trying to force russia, a non-democratic nation, to cooperate, and by moving somewhere else, you are depriving them of tax money. if large amounts of people leave, it will be the equivalent of a tax boycott and hurt them as consequences for severely limiting the ability to marry.
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Your problem lies there. How exactly are " large amounts of people leave " if they do not have the funds, or ability to leave? Its so inconsistent. Provide an example. What irritates me is that you think like it's so easy to form a sudden matriarch of mass movement when in reality, it really isn't.
User avatar #581 to #574 - nimithecat
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then become something more respectable than a feminist and start the movement.
User avatar #583 to #581 - nickypickle
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whats up with you and feminists? is that your own definition of complaining? do you hold a grudge against feminists so much that you refer to it when I try and converse with you?
User avatar #584 to #583 - nimithecat
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Nope you just remind me so much of them
User avatar #585 to #584 - nickypickle
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you must not get into many arguments then
User avatar #592 to #585 - nimithecat
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You guys aren't realizing that communism doesn't work like democracy, so whining like bitches all day in a communist country won't exactly make a difference. In hard situations like that, the only best option is to either bomb the country and demand legal rights at gunpoint, or peacefully leave to another country that gives those freedoms.

Unless you guys want to fight for your rights and arm yourselves to the teeth with AK-47's, it's probably best to move to a country that gives you what you want at your slightest whim.

Here in america we have weed going through the legalization process, and gay marriage is coming around at a steady pace, with several states allowing it.

It's much cheaper and less time consuming to go to somewhere where you are accepted, than to fight and bash people all day, and throw pickett signs at a group of old men too stubborn to listen to the ghosts of their own mothers.
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don't refer "me" as 'you guys' because its just one guy
oh and also if you're going to reply, please just reply in one reply


Its too bad not all 3rd world countries or communist countries have a very fitting "legalization process" (also addressing the fact that over 50% of america agrees that weed should be legalized) because YOU CAN'T JUST LEAVE A COUNTRY BASED ON THE LIVING ENVIRONMENT AROUND YOU. Like I said, what if a poor russian homosexual family had nowhere to go?
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Hm... now that's a strong point...   
Poverty is still an unavoidable reality..   
   
Unfortunately I don't have an answer for that.   
   
However, I don't imagine a communist country listening to the pleas of its own citizens, since it is ruled by the administration, and not the voices of the people.   
   
I can't remember the last time a communist country did a favor for their own people.
Hm... now that's a strong point...
Poverty is still an unavoidable reality..

Unfortunately I don't have an answer for that.

However, I don't imagine a communist country listening to the pleas of its own citizens, since it is ruled by the administration, and not the voices of the people.

I can't remember the last time a communist country did a favor for their own people.
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Not that much, ill be honest.
I keep seeing gay rights activists making asses out of themselves,
and it's hard for me to respect people after a certain point of half-assed logic.

Someone says something stupid, i correct him, and then him and his buddies join up and add more illogical statements into the situation that I have to work double-time to come up with solutions to their problems; then when i finally give a well-thought-out answer, my point gets ignored and i get called a senseless bigot.

I don't hate gays, I just hate assholes regardless of gender preference; and ignorant, stubborn people with opposing views who are unable to listen to proper logic, are ASSHOLES to me.

And the only other major groups i've seen that exhibit so much "togetherly bashing" is the bronies(my fandom unfortunately) and feminists. Gay rights activists are getting just as flamboyant and obnoxious as those two others said above, if not worse already.
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I like to see we have something in common. Honestly, you have to understand that no one gives a ****.

Hell, I could spend years of my life to argue on the internet and waste time proving other people wrong but eventually you should realize that unless your stand in political opinion actually matters in the open world, your public recognition can just be instantly revoked.

in other words, or "TL; D R-tards", learn how to pursue common sense rather than logic

oh yes and this will be put on my list of favorite phrases
"I don't hate gays, I just hate assholes regardless of gender preference; and ignorant, stubborn people with opposing views who are unable to listen to proper logic, are ASSHOLES to me."
#595 to #591 - nimithecat
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Well, despite that not having made a dismount on my statement, you did point out how invalid statements can be on the internet.

You're right. I probably shouldn't be joining this kind of public squabbling since it won't really matter to anyone anyways.

I'm glad to have found someone with good logic after all.
Good day to you sir.
#561 to #536 - nimithecat
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Why yes, yes it IS that simple. We did it with blacks, muslims, and everybody else.
Yes there will always be people that hate them, but they sure blended with society as a whole, and found their place amongst us all.

Now the time has come for gays to do so as well.

If you can't do that, then create a new society, with blackjack n hookers. Ill be glad to help.
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What the Hell is Jew media?
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Man you guys are ******* misinformed, it is illegal to spread gay propaganda in russia the same propaganda that we've seen with extreme feminists and lgbt parties, with things like cisgender and the radical gay movements that endorse degenerate behavior. Let me point out too i have nothing agaisnt gays but being a fags a complete different thing, these people have no shame.
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Man you guys are ******* misinformed, it is illegal to spread gay propaganda in russia the same propaganda that we've seen with extreme feminists and lgbt parties, with things like cisgender and the radical gay movements that endorse degenerate behavior. Let me point out too i have nothing agaisnt gays but being a fags a complete different thing, these people have no shame.
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Is there really a law against gay people in Russia? I think you might be a bit confused.
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last tiem i checked, gays are a minority
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Oh look, a homo that is phobic. You probably haven't bashed enough straight people to take away your fear moron.
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Unfortunately, most Russians including young people seem to support Putin's anti-gay policies. Russia is a rather homophobic culture.
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Its not like they are going all Gestapo on gays, smashing in to homes and stuff. As far as I understand this it goes something like: You are gay? Fine. You want to promote gay way of life? Not cool.    
Now ,I am not Russian but it looks to me like western media is trying to paint this as a witch hunt
Its not like they are going all Gestapo on gays, smashing in to homes and stuff. As far as I understand this it goes something like: You are gay? Fine. You want to promote gay way of life? Not cool.
Now ,I am not Russian but it looks to me like western media is trying to paint this as a witch hunt
User avatar #182 to #95 - nervaaurelius
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What is exactly the gay life?
#211 to #182 - serotonin
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Ask Russian law makers
Ask Russian law makers
#289 to #182 - implication
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Go to a gay parade or any gay bar and find out!
#558 to #289 - deathbyseth
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Go to a gay bar to find out the "gay way of life"? While we're at it, lets go to a straight bar/ strip club to find out what the "straight way of life" is. Those places are for having fun. People assume gays are rowdy, loud, and promiscuous because that's what they see at gay bars and parades.

There's no such thing as a "gay way of life" other than having to 2 dicks or 2 vaginas in a relationship.
#559 to #558 - implication
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Or go to a sociology class and find out?
User avatar #648 to #95 - anonymoose
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Gays are beaten on the streets, kidnapped and tortured and the Russian government want to make assaulting gays NOT a hatecrime. If a lesbian gets raped by a man, the police will do nothing for her.

It's a lot worse than "don't talk to kids about being gay".
User avatar #653 to #648 - serotonin
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Are you Russian or know personally someone that expirienced such abuse (if not I am going to asume that is propaganda)
User avatar #672 to #653 - anonymoose
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Stephen Fry did a documentary where he went to Russia and talked first hand to a girl who was raped and when the police found out she was a lesbian asked her to just go away.

And you'd have to be pretty stupid not to know of the Gay killings that go on in Russia. The amount of Anti-Gay Russian Socialists is immense.
User avatar #681 to #672 - serotonin
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I watched documetary. Also I checked a bit that story and one Russian said that it has nothing to do with her being a lesbian. There was no rape and they could not be bothered to look in to it and same would go for any strait girl (which sucks but its exludes that state sanctioned gay hunt stories)

How does that make me stupid? Please offer me something more then ``It is common knowlage`` bullcrap. I am aware that there are many neo nazis in Russia and that they target homosexuals (among many others. you dont hear in west people complaining about Caucasus imigrant being killed but when gay are threatened then everyones gimmies are rustled) but still it doesnt mean that govermant is leading gay witch hunt. It certanly doesnt help fight homophobia but its not like they are hunting them down like nazis

Tired, not native speaker so look past gramatical and spelling errors
User avatar #685 to #682 - serotonin
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1 - I have no idea what is going on
2 - Police acted to stop gay rights and anti gay rights activists from clashing. They deteined dozens but it is not said were anti or pro people incaserated.
3 - It is rather cruel situation (if it is not fake). That guy must have been terified but still he wasnt beaten (and it wasnt done by govermant. Like I said neo nazis dont count).
4 -``She went on to admit that the attack was believed to have been a hate crime, which was noted as a rare admission from Russian law enforcement agencies on the issue of homophobia in the country.`` Govermant recognised it as a hate crime, Still not perpetrated by govermant.
5 - Police is running the case.
6 - Meh.
7 - ``online across Russia by an ultra-nationalist group`` again we have nazi people

Like I said. Not activly hunted or prosecuted by govermant. Maybe ultra nationalist felt empowered by this turn of events...maybe they didnt. Lots of European countries have ult. nationalists and everywhere they are the same hatefull, agresive and not very reasonable bunch
User avatar #509 to #95 - HonkIfIDriveWell
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They imprison tourists who are suspected of being gay, or even pro gay.
User avatar #654 to #509 - serotonin
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Are you Russian or know personally someone that expirienced such abuse (if not I am going to asume that is propaganda)
User avatar #704 to #654 - HonkIfIDriveWell
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There are articles about it all over the internet. Do your research.
User avatar #707 to #704 - serotonin
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Guy above listed 7 and still failed to prove his point
User avatar #710 to #708 - serotonin
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Ok let us have a look
1 - Biased and subjective. ``And if Mr.Putin thinks he is protecting heterosexual marriage by denying us the same unions, he hasn’t kept up with the research.`` Obviously writter is distresed homosexual. In his article he says that police is alowed to arrest any homosexual turist. To quote : ``allowing police officers to arrest tourists and foreign nationals they suspect of being homosexual, lesbian or “pro-gay” and detain them for up to 14 days.`` And that is ********. If he bothered to read the law (it not that hard to find) he would have seen that you can be arested if you are doing propaganda aimed at ``creating nontraditional sexual attitudes, making nontraditional sexual relations attractive, equating the social value of traditional and nontraditional sexual relations, or creating an interest in nontraditional sexual relations`` I guess that he knew what law said but that he is doing what reporters do best, make drama.
2 - ``Patriarch Kirill -- said Sunday that recent Western "legislation of single-sex marriages is bringing the apocalypse closer."`` that was a good laugh. Oh church you so funny. Rest of article offers nothing new that I havent commented on.
3 - ``new Russian anti-gay law that criminalises even coming out of the closet`` Like I said ********. Find me such law. The ones I read had no such article in them
4- `` hatemongering in legislation.`` This is refering to propaganda ban. Govermant doesnt support

So to sum things up: Yes homophobia is big in Russia. Did its govermant make law that discriminates gays? Yes. Is govermant activly hunting and arresting gays? Nope. Such laws sure doesnt help to calm homophobic nation down. Also dont forget that Putin is not biggest friend of western powers and they will use any opportunity to get ruin his reputation. There is some truths in all those articles but you have to keep your critical mind active. Dont trust everything that you read.
User avatar #711 to #710 - serotonin
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Ofc. I dont know this from first hand. Maybe govermant is arresting gays just for being gay but noone yet has offered me any piece of evidence
User avatar #96 to #95 - nimithecat
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Duh, because the western media thinks they own everything.
User avatar #82 - mymiddleleg
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I want him to run Britain
User avatar #504 to #82 - HonkIfIDriveWell
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Not if you're friends with any homosexuals, you wouldn't.
#517 to #82 - anon id: 75aa2199
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NOOOOO Australia wants him first!!!! Give him to us!!!! We are not stupid like other propaganda swallowing leechbags, we prefer leaders with strong moral and ethical conduct, and he has it in spades. Putin, come to Aussieland!
User avatar #87 to #82 - xdeathspawnx
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You actually probably wouldn't. While you may agree with Putin on this idea, he is still an extremely corrupt and shady leader.
User avatar #93 to #87 - savirleo
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Either way, he gets 140% of the votes. He must be doing something right
User avatar #370 to #87 - jovanlisac
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no he is not, he is awesome
#406 to #87 - anon id: ffc32541
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Just like every leader is.
#226 to #87 - remorce
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He's Russian I don't know what you were expecting
User avatar #188 to #87 - mhden
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Arent they all ?
User avatar #190 to #188 - xdeathspawnx
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not to the point where they have other people murdered and thrown in jail who disagree with them. There are some out there out there, but none of them have nearly as much power as him.
#194 to #190 - mhden
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You are joking right ? Thats common practice in every nation NO EXCEPTIONS . If snowden  had not fled to russia or make public what he knows , he would have been delt the same , with X number of bullets to him and anyone close to him .   
Its by no means right ,but you guys just hate PUTIN for being PUTIN .
You are joking right ? Thats common practice in every nation NO EXCEPTIONS . If snowden had not fled to russia or make public what he knows , he would have been delt the same , with X number of bullets to him and anyone close to him .
Its by no means right ,but you guys just hate PUTIN for being PUTIN .
User avatar #250 to #194 - cabbagemayhem
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While whistle-blowing is a good thing, Snowden may have also endangered the safety of his fellow citizens, publishing security sensitive documents unnecessarily. That's a different situation than a journalist criticizing a government official. It's an everyday thing in America, and it helps keep the government in check. I couldn't imagine it without.

I don't know much about Putin, but premeditated murder doesn't sound good to me.
User avatar #271 to #250 - mhden
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" journalist criticizing a government" Realy ? Like that could ever happen .
Do i need to put my tinfoil hat for this ?Lets just say that is NOT how the media works and you should agree to that much . If it wasnt for the media you wouldnt even know what putin does .He may not be a saint but he is the lesser evil ,if not he is REALY REALY good for Russia . NO ONE can do what he can , and no one cares as much as he does for Russia , and you see that from the way he handles things . You may not like his "dictactorship"(not even close if you ask me) but he made russia what it is today throught great economical handling .
User avatar #683 to #271 - cabbagemayhem
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Let me guess: you heard that from the media.
User avatar #514 to #271 - jasonvgrace
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Okay, how about this. Australia has one of the best economies in the world at the moment, and so far we haven't had any major human rights issues (just ignore that whole aboriginal rights thing). True we aren't the best as we don't allow gays to marry, etc etc. things like that. You don't have to be a cruel and malefic government to run a government well.
User avatar #92 to #87 - mymiddleleg
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Still far more efficient at running a country unlike some of the spineless ones we get
User avatar #124 to #92 - angelusprimus
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Yeah, jailing political opponents, murder of journalists who criticize government, nationalizing private companies, changing constitution so he can be perpetually elected.
Yeah, I'd "love" to live in that kind of a country.
#133 to #124 - anon id: 2e954672
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Well, he could already get continually re-elected in GB.
#1 - Frankendell
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I agree with him.
I agree with him.
User avatar #26 to #1 - lobbert
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So you think minorities shouldn't have rights?
User avatar #532 to #26 - Frankendell
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They shouldnt get special treatment.
#3 - Milos
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#255 to #3 - falloutreaper
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cough cough cough
User avatar #385 to #255 - hourlyb
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To be fair, the Atmorians "earned" Skyrim from the snow elves. They had a war, and they won it, fair and square.
User avatar #388 to #385 - falloutreaper
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Eh, atleast they didn't poison and subjugate the race....cough cough Dwemer....
User avatar #393 to #388 - hourlyb
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Exactly. Also, I though you were that guy on the Elder Scrolls wiki who spouts anti-Nord messages, just because of that picture.
User avatar #396 to #393 - falloutreaper
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Oh no, I hate both Nordic and Elven supremacists, I just want them to get along seeing as how I play as a Bosmer this is fighting.
#418 to #396 - hourlyb
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I play as a Nord, and I wanted to kill that bigoted douche Rollf. So I did, many times. Skyrim for all!
sometimes i get concerned about how much i get into games
User avatar #397 to #396 - falloutreaper
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fitting*
#13 - fourtitwo
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Before people start burning Putin, this is how democracy works, ppl. It really, truthfully is. The majority of a people get to call the shots.
User avatar #65 to #13 - tomliboo
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>Putin
>Democracy

Hmmmmmmm
#72 to #65 - klutzyspy
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Russia is the most democratic country in the world. 140% democracy!
User avatar #66 to #13 - mooproxy
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Well it's how democracy works in theory. In practice, the minorities have all the control.
User avatar #100 to #13 - hoponthefeelstrain
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Majority rule and minority rights.

The minority shouldn't be completely ignored just because theres not enough of them to make a change.
User avatar #346 to #13 - chronomancer
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Except in the US, where it feels like the government is being run by an oligarchy of children.
#102 - peggscott
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Well... When you're Putin that way...
Well... When you're Putin that way...
User avatar #166 to #102 - roninneko
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*Putin it
#169 to #166 - peggscott
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that's discrimination
#209 - helenwheels
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Gee puten that sure is a good point. There is just one problem. Your country is a ******** and no one wants to immigrate there.
User avatar #299 to #209 - CactusFantastico
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You'll be surprised about the number of people that emigrate there from even ******** *********, especially former-soviet-union countries
#519 to #209 - anon id: 75aa2199
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Edward Snowden did, and he's an American hero. Saftey in Russia, where the US govt want to burn him for talking about their shady practices.
User avatar #712 to #519 - helenwheels
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Edward Snowden may have released some really shocking information. But he also leaked out critical information about US battle tactics, harmful to citizens.
#222 - avatarsarefornoobs
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holy ****   
internet counter culture likes to support gay rights, individualism, all that good stuff   
but now all of a sudden we are ultranationalists like mr putin here?   
   
   
inb4 anyone tries to apply this to the US because the US is almost nothing but immigrants.
holy ****
internet counter culture likes to support gay rights, individualism, all that good stuff
but now all of a sudden we are ultranationalists like mr putin here?


inb4 anyone tries to apply this to the US because the US is almost nothing but immigrants.
#515 to #222 - anon id: a8860a99
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Gay rights and this post dont even relate. Gay rights isnt giving them a special privaleges its something they should already have