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Sauron didn' t create all the rings, hearst forged the
One, but he provided the elves with the science
necessary to forge the other 19. 16 of them were made
under his supervision. The last 3, the elven rings, were
made by the master craftsman of the elves,
alone, and were by Sauron.
Originally, the rings were made for only the elves, not
for dwarves or men. Sauron took them little after his
plan was discovered (all but tyethree) and gave them
away. Seven to the dwarves and nine to the men.
Gandalf, Saruman, Sauron and the Balrog belong to a
same kind of spirits, the Maiar, beings that were created
before the universe itself.
Jill]
Sauron did have physical form by the tim: f the events
in The Lord of the Rings. Hearst never abandoned his
fortress as he wanted to regain full power before
showing himself.
Unlike in the movie, in the book thejournal of Frodo
doesn' t begin untiled years had passed since the party.
He was 50 years old by the time he left The Shire, the
same age Bilbo had when he began his own journey.
Aragorn is 87 years old by the time ofthe
Ring. He is part ofa bloodline that is gifted with long
life, the Dunedain. By the time of his death he was 210
years old.
In fact, Aragorn wanted to reclaim his right to the
throne from the beginning. It was the only thing that
could assure him the hand .
Amen is 2690 years older than;\ rageon and they met
when he was . Bytheway ofthe Ring she was 2777
years old and 2901 by the time of her death.
Gandalf is much more powerful than he shows. The only
reason he doesn' t use more of his power is because his
mission is to merely be a guide forthe free peoples of
Middle Earth in their battle against Sauron.
A common misconception is to think that Mordor is very
hot. In fact, Mordor is cold. It is even mentioned several
times that Frodo and Sam were shivering in their way to
Mount Doom.
that' s All FOR now. thank you
FOR gout: Attantion.
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User avatar #4 - battletechmech (12/10/2015) [-]
Mordor also has green pastures, where slaves work to make food for the orc armies
User avatar #206 to #4 - battletechmech (12/11/2015) [-]
top 5? I didn't even know there was a top 5.
#8 to #4 - swagbot (12/11/2015) [-]
an joke?
User avatar #11 to #8 - thesovereigngrave (12/11/2015) [-]
He's serious. The blasted volcanic wasteland that most people think of is only the northwestern corner of Mordor.
#13 to #11 - swagbot (12/11/2015) [-]
ah
#96 to #13 - shorea (12/11/2015) [-]
here, have this. Nobody mentions the Nurn part of Mordor, the action only took place in Gorgoroth, which translates to awe/dread iirc.
User avatar #148 to #96 - andenz (12/11/2015) [-]
Doesn't shadow of mordor take place somewhere around there? Haven't played the game yet so I'm just wondering
#157 to #148 - anon (12/11/2015) [-]
Yep, you really should play. some people hate it but most really like it.
#187 to #157 - anon (12/11/2015) [-]
I loved it. Assassins creed in mordor pretty much but the good older acs. The mind controlling aspects were so fun, but it was way too short.
User avatar #173 to #148 - vigilum (12/11/2015) [-]
Shadow of Mordor takes place in Udûn and Nurn.I think
User avatar #141 to #96 - fukkendragonite (12/11/2015) [-]
Seems fairly obvious now you mention it, any civilisation needs some sort of agrarian society. Can't survive without agriculture. You just never think about that when you think of Mordor...
User avatar #123 to #11 - greatgranpapy (12/11/2015) [-]
Wouldn't a volcano also make for very fertile land?
User avatar #145 to #123 - thesovereigngrave (12/11/2015) [-]
That's actually where the fertile part of Mordor comes from. It's just that Gorgoroth (the part we see) is constantly covered in ash in addition to being an arid plateau. Nurn to the southeast is fertile partially from the volcanic ash mixed with the soil (the inland sea and rivers help too).
#182 to #4 - studbeefpile (12/11/2015) [-]
....yes, yes it does.
User avatar #154 to #4 - wellimnotsure ONLINE (12/11/2015) [-]
Green pastures is a little kind, they're still described by tolkien as nothing any man or elf would want to live on
User avatar #95 to #4 - luqmanr (12/11/2015) [-]
I've played Shadow of Mordor, and in the game you got to explore a bit of the terrain there. Which is this place I think shadowofmordor.wikia.com/wiki/N%C3%BArn
I have **** knowledge about middle-earth so correct me if I'm wrong
User avatar #120 to #95 - angelious (12/11/2015) [-]
that game was just a weird mixture of surprise and sad...the captain/nemesis system was such a great invention but it fell flat due to the lack of content and easy difficulty...while the sneaking system in the game was actually quite enjoyable for some reason...
User avatar #52 to #4 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (12/11/2015) [-]
well, volcanic soil is very fertile.
#6 - sneperker (12/10/2015) [-]
GIF
#15 - supercookieduster (12/11/2015) [-]
GIF
i need moar
#180 to #15 - anon (12/11/2015) [-]
just use search. there's 8 more and they have all been posted before
#78 to #15 - anon (12/11/2015) [-]
Moar door?
#76 to #15 - xtrem (12/11/2015) [-]
Something to feast your eyes upon
#143 to #76 - anon (12/11/2015) [-]
Not the right scale tho.
User avatar #21 - tenaciouslee (12/11/2015) [-]
I'd love to see the full extent of Gandalf's powers.
User avatar #121 to #21 - angelious (12/11/2015) [-]
well..to give scope of his powers it is said that if he had gone all out, he could have soloed saurons army and sauron himself alone... i think obd ranked him as continent level in dc with mhs movement/reaction speed
User avatar #135 to #121 - ljxjlos (12/11/2015) [-]
tenaciouslee too

Actually there´s literally nothing known about his powers. Actually what he has shown in the books might be the upper limit that he´s capable of.

The only feat outside of the Lord of the Rings that is known is that he took part in the creation of the world - but that is not necessarily an indication of strength, it might only have been his creativity while the actual creation was done by Eru Illuvatar and the Flame Imperishable.

He is the wisest of the valar, nothing is ever said about his strenght, because strenght just isn´t his forte. He certainly isn´t much above Sauron, though.

Not to mention that LotR/Tolkienverse is in no way an Universe where powerscaling is of any use considering that as long as they´re heroes or in love, even a normal elven girl can trick or beat halfgods here.
User avatar #136 to #135 - angelious (12/11/2015) [-]
i could agree on everything else you say except the power scaling part. tricking does not trigger powerscaling. and for a person beating someone way above their paygrade we have plot shielding. even if he was the weakest of valar he would still be scaled to the rest of them as he is still a valar. not to mention a lot of his other feats can be quantified as well as opponents he has beaten and so on and so on.


outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/index.php/8-character-profiles/1424-character-profile-gandalf

the updated list of gandalfs power levels. i think i was scaling him a tad too high with the continent level dc.
User avatar #137 to #136 - ljxjlos (12/11/2015) [-]
Yeah, the tricking part is not that important really - more the "hero" part. Tolkien is heavily influenced by germanic and nordic myth where normal humans slay dragons and the likes.
My prime examples are Luthien or Huan the Dog defeating Sauron and Luthien magically overpowering Morgoth (which can only be seen as part tricking)...same with Fingolfin vs. Morgoth. You´re right, it can be called plot armor, but heroes fight way above their paygrade in LotR, that´s basically what makes powerscaling so complicated/impossible in this Universe.

And about your link: Don´t get me wrong, I like stuff like this, but there are nearly any real feats for Gandalf and most of the facts are either plain wrong or extremely shoehorned...Tolkiens liking for Fairytales, Sagas and Myth make overstating too easy (just take Ancalagon the Black for a prime example)
User avatar #139 to #137 - angelious (12/11/2015) [-]
its not impossible you just need to separate the plot shielding from actual scalable feats.

for instance gandalf being valar gets him scaling from other valars. not to mention **** like that fight with durins bane and stuff.

and if you think they have gotten any feats wrong then you are free to try and go drive your point there..but i think you are going to have a bad time if this is the extent of the reasoning behind you disclaiming them...(no offense..just saying those guys take these thigns really seriously, so they will likely chew you out unless you can argue your point really good...)
User avatar #165 to #139 - ljxjlos (12/11/2015) [-]
Yet again, not trying to be an asshole, but there ARE no scalable feats.

I´m also fairly confident in my knowledge about Tolkien and his works - even wrote my bachelors thesis about him, his works and their influence on modern literature and I take this stuff very seriously myself.

But seriously, every actual scholar would say (or, amongst those that I know, will say or even already said it) the same - Tolkien is so incredibly influenced by Fairytales and Myths that several of his stories are nothing but stories in his own Universe - meaning they can´t be taken for actual numbers or feats. There is no consistent "valar-powerlevel" or anything like that and even if there was anything similar it would be incredibly inconsistent. Trying to powerscale Gandalf - or any Maiar at that, would be like trying to powerscale Moses or Santa Clause.

That being said, I don´t really feel like starting a discussion on there - no need to spoil anyones fun.
User avatar #169 to #165 - angelious (12/11/2015) [-]
jrr worked on a lot more works than JUST the lotr trilogy you know? and just because you know about a verse doesnt actually guarantee you can quantify their feats since it usually takes a lot more knowledge of mathematics,physics and a lot of frame by frame calculations. again, if you truly believe you know this better than people who devote most of their day to stuff like this, then you can try convince them of their wrong doings. (not trying to be offensive here...i just dislike debating about verses that i only know in passing)


and fairy tales and myths can ALSO BE QUANTIFIED. the source doesnt matter. and everything can be quantified. for inconsistancies there are several ways of deleting these.

such as outliers,jobbing, pis,cis,plot shielding, etc.


also trust me...the thing they consider "fun" can be summed up with angry nerds yelling at each other while arguing what fictional character can most likely win...its fun for a change..but then it gets annoying once the ACTUAL debating starts...
User avatar #170 to #169 - ljxjlos (12/11/2015) [-]
I know, I know and it´s exactly those parts that I´m talking about. Gandalf is mentioned once - yet again, nothing about his strenght, only about his wisdom and compassion. The site talks about Gandalf "being at least capable of mountain level-destruction" because "he smashed the mountainsite when he fought Dúrins Bane", or about how he "split the mountainside" - that stuff never happened. Ever.

And yeah, reading through the side, I can easily believe that, most of the stuff written there is pure ******** on "my imaginary friend is better" level
User avatar #174 to #170 - angelious (12/11/2015) [-]
gandalf fought againts durins bane, which gave him some of his dc feats(it seems) and a feat doesnt directly HAVE to happen. there is level scaling. also "dc" doesnt mean that a person is capable of destroying a thing. it simply means his energy(or rather, damage) output is high enough to harm a person who can withstand that level of impact(aka an impact that would shatter a mountain) not only that but simalirion and several of the background lore works actually offer a lot in the way of feats.


and i will protest on that note. they never play favourites. at best you can hear them complain when a low quality show is pitted againts higher quality show that would lose. and the feats and stats they calculate is again, highly accurate. they put a lot of work in those and one must respect a person for its merits.
User avatar #176 to #174 - ljxjlos (12/11/2015) [-]
Sorry, but I just can´t see that - I find it hightly disrespectful, to be honest, to try to break down Tolkiens works to that level, since it is exactly what he did not want to see - he held everything clearly on a mythical level, with LotR and Hobbit being the "closest-to-reality" books that he has. He wanted to create myth, not mathematics.
User avatar #179 to #176 - angelious (12/11/2015) [-]
personal preferrences and such do not count :/ i know it may sound offensive but that is just a fact. everything can be quantified via using science, tolkien,you or me are not exeptions of this. myth,reality, fiction or anything else.
#156 to #121 - anon (12/11/2015) [-]
Sauron is just as powerful if not more
User avatar #202 to #156 - paddypancake (12/11/2015) [-]
With the ring sauron certainly is more powerful. When frodo asked gandalf why he should take the ring rather than gandalf himself gandalf said if he would take it and get corrupted he would be just as powerful as sauron himself. They are certainly the same class of beings, both being maiar, but i don't think that neccercarily makes them equal in power. And gandalf has the fire ring so sauron with no ring vs gandalf with fire ring might be weaker.
User avatar #158 to #156 - angelious (12/11/2015) [-]
not the way he was in lotr.
#81 to #21 - palindromia ONLINE (12/11/2015) [-]
You get a brief glimpse when he fights the balrog. he shoots a lightning bolt from his sword.
User avatar #24 to #21 - jakotad (12/11/2015) [-]
I believe it would be like mowing your lawn with a thermonuclear bomb.
User avatar #28 to #24 - artyomthebadass (12/11/2015) [-]
That is a pretty good way to describe it.
User avatar #31 to #28 - jakotad (12/11/2015) [-]
After the radiation is gone the grass just knows not to grow.
User avatar #66 to #24 - indonesia (12/11/2015) [-]
now I wanna see someone mowing their lown with a thermonuclear bomb
User avatar #12 - halor (12/11/2015) [-]
Sauron is a dumbass, you have physical form and know that people are trying to destroy the ring. Why didn't he just plop his ass down in front of the volcano and just kill anyone who approached, i mean even when not at full power he's probably several times stronger than the average man,elf, or hobbit
User avatar #50 to #12 - anormalpenguin (12/11/2015) [-]
Actually Sauron didn't know that they wanted to destroy the ring. Not even in his darkest dreams did he think they would try to destroy it. It's basically the only reason they were successful in destroying it at all. His biggest fear was that they would use the ring to raise a massive army and overthrow him. Which someone skilled in manipulation and with enough training could use the ring to do, but they would eventually basically just replace Sauron because the ring would corrupt them.
User avatar #80 to #50 - icedpyro ONLINE (12/11/2015) [-]
In the Return of the King, Aragorn uses the palantir to basically bluff Sauron into thinking he had the Ring. He made him think that he was going to march upon Mordor to overthrow him with the power of the Ring. (Gondorian reinforcements showed up at this point). This made Sauron move all his troops to the Black Gate away from Mount Doom.
User avatar #111 to #80 - jibb (12/11/2015) [-]
And Sauron thought it was gonna be easy, since the Ring takes years to master
#17 to #12 - kyrieelleison (12/11/2015) [-]
Pride man, Sauron was the type who considered himself to be the most superior being in Middle Earth. Until he did his make-up and put on his push-up bra there was no way he was going out, plus he didn't know where Frodo and Sam where until they were right there, that was the point of the huge battle Aragorn leads to just be a big distraction for Frodo and Sam.
#2 - lagbot (12/10/2015) [-]
Semi-fun fact, Dunedain is pronounced Dun-e-dyne. ai is always pronounced as (eye) is Tolkiens fiction
User avatar #142 to #2 - fukkendragonite (12/11/2015) [-]
They say it many times if you watch the massive extended editions of LOTR and you're right, that's how Aragorn pronounces it. Can't remember who he says it to though.
User avatar #5 to #2 - logiblack (12/10/2015) [-]
quarter-fun fact, the singular of Dunedain is Dunadan; Dun meaning West, Adan meaning Man.
Edain is merely the plural of Adan, meaning men.
User avatar #7 - funkycow (12/11/2015) [-]
Aragorn and Arwen are technically cousins. Something like First cousin 72nd removed.
User avatar #108 to #7 - jibb (12/11/2015) [-]
She is the cousin of the great-great-great-[...]-great-grand-father of Aragorn
User avatar #43 to #7 - corsairjoshua (12/11/2015) [-]
Yeah Aragorn's line comes from Elros (Elrond's brother) who chose to live and die as a human.
User avatar #97 to #7 - emiyashirou ONLINE (12/11/2015) [-]
If you count Elrond's brother as 1st, then Aragorn is 32nd in that bloodline.
User avatar #9 - thesovereigngrave (12/11/2015) [-]
It's also a common misconception that Mordor is just a volcanic wasteland. What we see in the movies is just the northwestern corner; the vast majority of Mordor is fertile farmland worked by Sauron's slaves. After all, the massive armies of orcs need to get their food from somewhere.
User avatar #10 to #9 - thesovereigngrave (12/11/2015) [-]
Well **** , didn't see somebody had already mentioned this.
User avatar #26 to #10 - donatelo (12/11/2015) [-]
then delete it dumbo.
#84 - palindromia ONLINE (12/11/2015) [-]
#203 to #84 - anon (12/11/2015) [-]
Here's a merry fellow!
User avatar #86 to #84 - faithrider (12/11/2015) [-]
tom ******* bombadil
User avatar #94 to #84 - Tyranitar ONLINE (12/11/2015) [-]
Tom was a bad-ass, but most of his power was restricted to his own lands. And even then, if the rest of Middle-Earth fell and Sauron came for him there, he would've eventually lost.
User avatar #41 - kurbeh (12/11/2015) [-]
Ah, some facts with correct spelling, unlike that trainwreck of a Star Wars comp that was here lately.
Have a thumb.
#119 - dgurevich ONLINE (12/11/2015) [-]
User avatar #167 to #119 - iqequalzero (12/11/2015) [-]
Holy **** you can really tell this was made for 3d...looked amazing in theaters, but so fake in this video, WTF!?!
User avatar #171 to #167 - dgurevich ONLINE (12/11/2015) [-]
Yes. this was made for 3d
Big Lebowski Dream Part
User avatar #25 - ilovehitler (12/11/2015) [-]
So, what's up with Tom Bombadill- how is he so powerful that he would just forget about the ring?
User avatar #133 to #25 - ljxjlos (12/11/2015) [-]
********* of Theories. Starting from "he´s Tolkien" , over "he´s an evil eldritch abominatio", "the spirit of the land", "literature itself" and not even ending with "he´s the actual evil overlord"
User avatar #27 to #25 - maddmann (12/11/2015) [-]
he never really forgot about it, just didnt really care enough to pursue in the ongoings of the world... kinda like the hobbits, who were content with growing **** dancing and smoking pipe weed.... so weed...
User avatar #33 to #25 - marcuss (12/11/2015) [-]
if im not totally wrong it was speculated that tom bombadill was a Ainur. like one tier higher from sauron and the maiar. (that was just some short text i read from somewhere)
User avatar #48 to #33 - cdsams (12/11/2015) [-]
I could see it. That is how I like to see something as powerful as him. Who would give a damn about the world if you have that much power? Just make yourself a little paradise and be happy with it.
User avatar #110 to #33 - jibb (12/11/2015) [-]
Speculated, yes.
Could be Maiar, could be Ainur, could even be Era Iluvitar, or Tolkien, or even the Reader (wanting to shelter the hobbits)
User avatar #35 to #25 - Awesomenessniss (12/11/2015) [-]
Tom Bombadil's origins are unknown but he is just as ancient as the world itself.
User avatar #88 to #25 - thedoomdonkey (12/11/2015) [-]
another theory is that Tom Bombadil is actually Tolkien himself. So technically creator of everything. But yeah, just a theory among many
User avatar #29 to #25 - hadrian (12/11/2015) [-]
Tom Bombadil was from a story Tolkien made up long before all of the works associated with Middle-earth. He was basically inserted into the story just because, but represented an incorruptible force. He is likely a Maiar rather than one of the Valar but given that the order of the Valar is larger than only those known as the Powers of Arda it's possible that he is one of them. His wife is certainly a Maiar.

His role in the story is uncertain, since the only function he performs is in being a protector while the hobbits are near to him.
#90 to #25 - arreatface (12/11/2015) [-]
I think he was there to give tolkien's story a more mythical aspect. Allow me to explain, in order to create a believable world you have to create a story within the story, add myths and legends that people tell or believe in. Tom Bombadil was so powerful that he was exterior to the story, he is simply on a higher plane of preoccupation than middle earth. He's like one of thoses legend heroes that simply do not give a **** because he's got too O neeeeeee PUUUUUUUUUUNCHHHHHH
User avatar #32 - thismustbeseen (12/11/2015) [-]
To long. Didn't read. Just watch this, it's more fun. The One Ring Explained. (Lord of the Rings Mythology Part 2)
User avatar #16 - zomaru (12/11/2015) [-]
I tried to read the Silmarillion once to get the whole story. I couldn't do it. Between names that all sound the same, and his way of writing, It was all to much to bear.
User avatar #49 to #16 - cdsams (12/11/2015) [-]
You don't read the Silmarillion, you reference it.
#54 to #16 - LarsGoes (12/11/2015) [-]
start with numenor and leave the rest! it's written in a very cool way skipping details and describes the events leading up to lotr!
#51 to #16 - tangedal (12/11/2015) [-]
**tangedal used "*roll picture*"**
**tangedal rolled image** Don't think you are alone there buddy. But if you could power through the first 40/50 pages I think(?), to the point where creation and beginning is over, it gets very pleasant. You'd wanna read it through just to see how they ****** over Morgoth(Saurons master) in a fun way.
#63 to #51 - Bacabed ONLINE (12/11/2015) [-]
Yeah, the first 40 pages could be summed up with "they sang and Melkor was tone-deaf and ****** it all up."
User avatar #64 to #63 - tangedal (12/11/2015) [-]
Haha, that is a nice way of putting it.
User avatar #67 to #51 - zomaru (12/11/2015) [-]
I did, I was at probaly a third of the book before I just couldent do it any more.
#82 - jdizzleoffthehizzl (12/11/2015) [-]
Hot damn Shadow of Mordor was a kickass game
#200 - poruku (12/11/2015) [-]
#140 - nickelakon (12/11/2015) [-]
It might be just me with my really bad face matching skills
But I think space hamster looks like a younger version of the guy who played Arogorn
User avatar #166 to #140 - iqequalzero (12/11/2015) [-]
Youre not wrong imo, I kinda see it.
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