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coledunk (09/08/2015) [-] IF I recall Einstein never had his IQ tested and Hawkins never has revealed his IQ, so how can we know she has a higher IQ?
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thismustbeseen (09/09/2015) [-] There's multiple reasons why that fun fact is ******** and deceptive.
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therockofshame (09/08/2015) [-] Shhhh, they have an iq of 160 so they know what they're talking about.
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elcreepo (09/08/2015) [-] What you meant to use there was ...
IQ tests are flawed because intelligence is subjective, I mean obviously a fish isn't going to be good at climbing trees but goddamn can it swim.
Some people are more creatively intelligent, and mathematically average. But we call creative intellect "talent."
It takes a lot more than talent to engage an audience, both their hearts and minds, while reading a ten page thesis statement on why emperor penguins are awesome so we should try to preserve their habitat as best we can.
Other people are super smart at one subject and a dunce in everything else. And to use a traditional testing method to determine intelligence? We forget that traditional education really does not work for everyone. There are many among the world's smartest people were self taught, and let's not forget to mention that not everyone has access to traditional or decent education in the US education system. I'm sure there are Mcgyvers out there that flunked out of high school.
You can be booksmart and still be a complete retard in other ways, also. I wouldn't call Bush Jr a smart man, but his education record speaks otherwise.
/rant on why intelligence tests are a stupid concept
IQ tests are flawed because intelligence is subjective, I mean obviously a fish isn't going to be good at climbing trees but goddamn can it swim.
Some people are more creatively intelligent, and mathematically average. But we call creative intellect "talent."
It takes a lot more than talent to engage an audience, both their hearts and minds, while reading a ten page thesis statement on why emperor penguins are awesome so we should try to preserve their habitat as best we can.
Other people are super smart at one subject and a dunce in everything else. And to use a traditional testing method to determine intelligence? We forget that traditional education really does not work for everyone. There are many among the world's smartest people were self taught, and let's not forget to mention that not everyone has access to traditional or decent education in the US education system. I'm sure there are Mcgyvers out there that flunked out of high school.
You can be booksmart and still be a complete retard in other ways, also. I wouldn't call Bush Jr a smart man, but his education record speaks otherwise.
/rant on why intelligence tests are a stupid concept
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commoncrunch (09/08/2015) [-] T be fair, Intelligence Quotient shows how clever you are with the knowledge you have and can get immediately. A high IQ would, for example, mean you'd be more than savvy enough to be able to traverse/escape an active battlefield, probably even get your hands on some equipment.
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captainfuckitall ONLINE (09/08/2015) [-] Which kinda proves it wrong.
Mensa itself is largely a sham anyways. You have to pay through the nose to get a membership and take tests to keep it, all their tests costing money, and they never do anything for you other than allow you to be a pretentious asshole.
Stephen Hawking was absolutely right in saying that people who brag about their I.Q are losers.
Mensa itself is largely a sham anyways. You have to pay through the nose to get a membership and take tests to keep it, all their tests costing money, and they never do anything for you other than allow you to be a pretentious asshole.
Stephen Hawking was absolutely right in saying that people who brag about their I.Q are losers.
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captainfuckitall ONLINE (09/08/2015) [-] It's like those quizzes on Facebook: "How cool are you? 0% cool, because you took a quiz to see"
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advice 
(09/08/2015) [-] Some people get into mensa based off the score of another I test, such as the WISC IV test, the only pretentious ones are the ones who buy the mensa signet rings, car decal, and act as if mensa is crossfit. Those are the ones who typically take and retake the test until they learn how to do it better.
They do have multiple special interest groups, where they can have a ton of smart science nerds jerk ing off over chemicals, or about planning vacation cruises/invasions of small towns. Some of those groups are chill, some are super snotty and spend al their time looking up grammar errors in mass media. I personally like the home-schooling and early child development one, because I have a 3 week old.
They do have multiple special interest groups, where they can have a ton of smart science nerds jerk ing off over chemicals, or about planning vacation cruises/invasions of small towns. Some of those groups are chill, some are super snotty and spend al their time looking up grammar errors in mass media. I personally like the home-schooling and early child development one, because I have a 3 week old.
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efeye (09/08/2015) [-]
Actually, a member of mensa said that it allows you to be anything but a pretentious asshole, as every other member also passed the test. Rather they assemble and enjoy intellectual debates and conversations in a troll and ignorant-free enviroment.
Though I'm sure some become members just to brag to their friends.
Though I'm sure some become members just to brag to their friends.
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anon (09/08/2015) [-]
Yeah, except most of them don't actually do or use any of that. Plus being with other pretentious assholes doesn't stop you from being a pretentious asshole and having a high IQ doesn't prevent ignorance.
I knew a girl who passed the MENSA test. She smokes, needs her mom to help her with most government-related things like getting her driver's licence and passes her time arguing with people on tumblr. A great member of MENSA, but nobody could tell her apart from any other dumbass on the street.
I knew a girl who passed the MENSA test. She smokes, needs her mom to help her with most government-related things like getting her driver's licence and passes her time arguing with people on tumblr. A great member of MENSA, but nobody could tell her apart from any other dumbass on the street.
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hitlerwasokiguess (09/08/2015) [-]
Plus, if they had, they definitely wouldn't take the mensa iq test, they'd take a real one, like the WAID or the Stanford-Binet.
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carneymaster (09/08/2015) [-] Stephen Hawking has gone on to say that people who rely on IQ tests are stupid.
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carneymaster (09/08/2015) [-] If you talk about theoretical science you dont get much better than Stephen hawking. if you are talking about being able to take a walk down the street thats another story.
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carneymaster (09/08/2015) [-] What is IQ? Its your ability to reason. It is not your measurable intelligence. To have a high IQ is good because you are able to reason better. Not that you are any smarter.
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anon (09/08/2015) [-]
IQ is actually measurable intelligence you know. Measurable being the keyword. I'm only personally familiar with the three Weschler tests, all require critical thinking, some knowledge about the social world. It obviously doesn't measure how much you have applied yourself (whatever that means, I'm guessing achievements as in jobs or curricular stuff) because that would be an external variable. Weschler measures what is called general g, which is assumed to be a quality that can be permeated into many different traits, like memory, perceptual reasoning, critical thinking, etc. IQ is a number, an estimate. WAIS-III for example, the one I was taught, has what is called four index scores. Verbal Comprehension, Perceptual Organization, Working Memory and Processing Speed. In short, the average of these 4 scores, make up the IQ of this particular test. Any good tester will explain the strengths and weaknesses in these 4 scores and how this reflects on the overall IQ.
TL;DR IQ scores are misinterpreted, are not ******** , but are not the whole story.
TL;DR IQ scores are misinterpreted, are not ******** , but are not the whole story.
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hongkongdingdong (09/08/2015) [-]
I'll expand upon this for numbmind:
Military aptitude tests are typically considered IQ tests. Popular IQ tests, like the Stanford Binet and the Wexlar, are equal to government aptitude tests. They are a legitimate way of testing how quickly you learn. It isn't a measure of how much you have applied yourself, how much critical thinking you have done, and how much you have learned.
The labeling of "intelligence quotient" and using mental age is a flawed process. The phrasing is merely the beginning of its slippery decline into the void of ignorance. Which, I presume, is what Hawking is referring too.
The scores of persons within the Mensa and Prometheus societies are only to saturate their desire to separate themselves from, what they deem, normal society. They demand attention and/or their own culture and society so they can feel like they "fit in" or feel like they are better than the rest. Quite a long psychological annoyance that I don't feel like explaining; it should be obvious to the average person.
Mensa IQ tests and Prometheus tests are ego boosters for those lacking another solution to their diffidence.
Military aptitude tests are typically considered IQ tests. Popular IQ tests, like the Stanford Binet and the Wexlar, are equal to government aptitude tests. They are a legitimate way of testing how quickly you learn. It isn't a measure of how much you have applied yourself, how much critical thinking you have done, and how much you have learned.
The labeling of "intelligence quotient" and using mental age is a flawed process. The phrasing is merely the beginning of its slippery decline into the void of ignorance. Which, I presume, is what Hawking is referring too.
The scores of persons within the Mensa and Prometheus societies are only to saturate their desire to separate themselves from, what they deem, normal society. They demand attention and/or their own culture and society so they can feel like they "fit in" or feel like they are better than the rest. Quite a long psychological annoyance that I don't feel like explaining; it should be obvious to the average person.
Mensa IQ tests and Prometheus tests are ego boosters for those lacking another solution to their diffidence.
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hongkongdingdong (09/08/2015) [-]
*Wechsler. I always spell it how it sounds and forget it's spelled like someone's name.
And while it doesn't measure how much you have applied yourself, how much critical thinking you have done, and how much you have learned, these things do factor into the overall score at the end of the test. The fallacy that plagues it is that it's just one test. It isn't your life, your habits, or any other areas of your life. The only thing it adequately measures is how quickly you learn, as that doesn't typically change throughout ones life. You can't typically learn to process information any faster once your brain has fully developed.
And while it doesn't measure how much you have applied yourself, how much critical thinking you have done, and how much you have learned, these things do factor into the overall score at the end of the test. The fallacy that plagues it is that it's just one test. It isn't your life, your habits, or any other areas of your life. The only thing it adequately measures is how quickly you learn, as that doesn't typically change throughout ones life. You can't typically learn to process information any faster once your brain has fully developed.
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turkeyslapper ONLINE (09/08/2015) [-] Well having a high IQ doesn't mean you're smart. As Steven hawking says "people who boast about their iq are losers."
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turkeyslapper ONLINE (09/08/2015) [-] He can't get out of his chair but he can still **** your bitch
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doctahhobo (09/08/2015) [-] oooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhh[big]hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh[big ]
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mobilebull (09/08/2015) [-] This is ******** , i am pretty sure einstein never have taken a iq test,
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misterbluecoat (09/08/2015) [-] The only thing they have is an estimated IQ of Albert Einstein which is 160. Secondly, she lost the lottos on jaws god damn.
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thechosentroll (09/08/2015) [-] And Hawking refuses to say what his IQ is, since he thinks people who brag about their scores are dickheads.
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misterbluecoat (09/08/2015) [-] And if you read up on the Mensa test it's kind of bogus since it's all questions on general knowledge rather than classic tests which are knowledge compared to age group along with cognitive skills and fine motor control.
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angelusprimus (09/08/2015) [-] Oh wow. Top 1%.
That's 76 million people.
More than twice the population of Canada.
Its nice and all, but hardly a wtf fact.
That's 76 million people.
More than twice the population of Canada.
Its nice and all, but hardly a wtf fact.
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advice (09/08/2015) [-] They say 1% but really they mean top 150 people. 1% would imply that someone in Africa has the ability to have that kind of IQ, which given that a good amount of Africans haven't been formally taught how to write, gauging IQ is impossible. The real test wouldn't necessarily be the mensa one, but one from the prometheus society
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hoponthefeelstrain (09/08/2015) [-] I'm sorry but you know africa is a continent and not a country right? And that despite the sad adds they play on tv most of the countries are well developed, there are a few traditional ones that choose to live in huts and are fine and there are the war torn countries that live in huts and that's where all the rape, famine and disease thoughts about africa come from.
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advice (09/08/2015) [-] I am quite aware that Africa is a country, but my point still stands. Even in the modernized countries like South Africa there is a very apparent divide where there are plenty of untaugh or underdeveloped, even the in the face of such a large city as Johannesburg.
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angelusprimus (09/09/2015) [-] Yeah, you are wrong.
The test she is holding is MENSA, see the little blue logo upper right?
Now go to mensa webpage www.mensa.org/ or wikipedia page about mensa en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensa_International read and educate yourself about what MENSA means when they say 1%.
Next time when you accuse people of being ignorant, educate yourself first.
The test she is holding is MENSA, see the little blue logo upper right?
Now go to mensa webpage www.mensa.org/ or wikipedia page about mensa en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensa_International read and educate yourself about what MENSA means when they say 1%.
Next time when you accuse people of being ignorant, educate yourself first.
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letting 
(09/08/2015) [-] Albert Einstein's IQ was estimated to be approximately 161, Stephen Hawking's is estimated to be even greater than that. I don't understand the importance of an IQ test, they literally account for almost nothing. There are autistic savants that can score really high on an IQ test but cannot complete coherent sentences.
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adviceweed (09/08/2015) [-] For the smart girl one.
A good IQ is only good if one has the creativity to keep up with it.
Sure, she could ace her way through college, and net a mean ass job doing some important **** . But if she wants to be the kind of person who changes history, she gotta be committed to doing so.
A good IQ is only good if one has the creativity to keep up with it.
Sure, she could ace her way through college, and net a mean ass job doing some important **** . But if she wants to be the kind of person who changes history, she gotta be committed to doing so.
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buffalogriller (09/08/2015) [-]
she's 12. IQ tests are age dependent. she's just really smart for a 12 year old. can't really compare that to an adult.
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buffalogriller (09/10/2015) [-]
Do you understand that formula?
if a 5 year old has the mental abilities of a 14 year old, he's gonna have a crazy high IQ.
if a 20 year old has the mental abilities of a 14 year old, he's gonna have a crazy low IQ.
But the Original Post doesn't say what kind of IQ test she took, so I don't know.
"the only thing that is age dependent is meta memory"
That is simply not true. Or I don't get what you meant to say.
if a 5 year old has the mental abilities of a 14 year old, he's gonna have a crazy high IQ.
if a 20 year old has the mental abilities of a 14 year old, he's gonna have a crazy low IQ.
But the Original Post doesn't say what kind of IQ test she took, so I don't know.
"the only thing that is age dependent is meta memory"
That is simply not true. Or I don't get what you meant to say.
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donatelo (09/10/2015) [-] yes i do and i litterally posted it . MA=mental age, CA=chronological age.
the girl has a mental age that is obviously higher than her chronological age. you cant say something isnt true if you dont know what i even said mate..but basicaly what i said was that she doesnt have real world knowledge that is dependant on age. this knowldge is what simply comes with age. one piece of evidence of this is Chi's tests conducted with adolescent chess masters and adult chess novices, the adolescents were able to know more patterns than adults, yet the adults had a larger memory capacity in general.
p.s. part of the reason i even responded was because i am going over the history, different theories, and problems of IQ at this very instant for a course.
the girl has a mental age that is obviously higher than her chronological age. you cant say something isnt true if you dont know what i even said mate..but basicaly what i said was that she doesnt have real world knowledge that is dependant on age. this knowldge is what simply comes with age. one piece of evidence of this is Chi's tests conducted with adolescent chess masters and adult chess novices, the adolescents were able to know more patterns than adults, yet the adults had a larger memory capacity in general.
p.s. part of the reason i even responded was because i am going over the history, different theories, and problems of IQ at this very instant for a course.
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buffalogriller (09/10/2015) [-]
good. then you should see why you can't directly compare the scores of an adult and an infant derived from that formula.
the "I don't get it" part was aimed at the only age dependent thing being meta memory. Are you denying cognitive development? the mere existence of the (ma/ca)*100 formula shows that it is age dependent.
the "I don't get it" part was aimed at the only age dependent thing being meta memory. Are you denying cognitive development? the mere existence of the (ma/ca)*100 formula shows that it is age dependent.
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donatelo (09/10/2015) [-] you can, and i would hardly consider a 12 year old an infant.
example :There is litterally a 12 year old genius at my university who graduated with 3 degrees already, and is tottatly making me and others older than him look like chumps. Despite his knowledge he is still a child and does not have as much general knoweldge as someone older than him, but you can possibly deny that he cant be compared with adults when quantifyable testing of his was mixed with adults.
nope im not denying cognitive development...the name of the course is developmental psychology, so this is pretty pertinant.
example :There is litterally a 12 year old genius at my university who graduated with 3 degrees already, and is tottatly making me and others older than him look like chumps. Despite his knowledge he is still a child and does not have as much general knoweldge as someone older than him, but you can possibly deny that he cant be compared with adults when quantifyable testing of his was mixed with adults.
nope im not denying cognitive development...the name of the course is developmental psychology, so this is pretty pertinant.
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buffalogriller (09/10/2015) [-]
please explain to me how the formula (ma/ca)*100 is not age dependent.
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buffalogriller (09/10/2015) [-]
of course she can, but it depends on what test she took. If the test is based on the formula you posted, then the score is not directly comparable, because it it calculated in relation to chronological age.
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donatelo (09/10/2015) [-] it is though. the test she took only measured her mental age, her chronological age while taking the test is irrelevant. her chrono age only factors in after she is done taking the test. Its an illustration of variation of people, age is no concrete in terms of development,while its true that stages of cognitive development happen roughly at the same time, there still exists variation. This is why chronological age is not a sole determining factor in iq tests.
idk, i could be wrong...i need to research this more.
idk, i could be wrong...i need to research this more.
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buffalogriller (09/11/2015) [-]
but if you want to arrive at an IQ which is calculated by (ma/ca)*100, you need the chronological age. It alters the outcome significantly.
Lets say her and an Adult have the same score.
Her Score gets divided by 12.
The Adults score gets divided by 21.
(1.62*12=19.44)
Now if you look at the formula: (1.62*12=19.44)
(19.44/12)*100=162
19.44/21)*100=92.57
I know it's more complicated than this in reality, since this formula doesn't really work after a certain age.
Do you see my point? If you talk about IQ in terms of chronological and mental age, it is age dependent. This is necessary because of cognitive development. The average 14 Year old is smarter/more capable than the average 10 Year old.
A 12 Year old with the mental abilities of the average 19 year old is very smart (for a 12 year old). If his mental abilities do not improve any further, he will be an average 19 year old with an IQ of 100.
I think I know what you are trying to say. If 2 people take the same test and have the same score, they are equally smart, no matter their age. of course.
But if a 12 year old has the same score as an average 21 year old, that is outstanding. This would not be reflected if you just give both the same score of 100. That's why it's usually scored in relation to an age group, thus not being directly comparable to a different age group.
Lets say her and an Adult have the same score.
Her Score gets divided by 12.
The Adults score gets divided by 21.
(1.62*12=19.44)
Now if you look at the formula: (1.62*12=19.44)
(19.44/12)*100=162
19.44/21)*100=92.57
I know it's more complicated than this in reality, since this formula doesn't really work after a certain age.
Do you see my point? If you talk about IQ in terms of chronological and mental age, it is age dependent. This is necessary because of cognitive development. The average 14 Year old is smarter/more capable than the average 10 Year old.
A 12 Year old with the mental abilities of the average 19 year old is very smart (for a 12 year old). If his mental abilities do not improve any further, he will be an average 19 year old with an IQ of 100.
I think I know what you are trying to say. If 2 people take the same test and have the same score, they are equally smart, no matter their age. of course.
But if a 12 year old has the same score as an average 21 year old, that is outstanding. This would not be reflected if you just give both the same score of 100. That's why it's usually scored in relation to an age group, thus not being directly comparable to a different age group.
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iitoxictz (09/08/2015) [-] As the flys soul went into the body, being killed at such a close contact to his heart, it wanted revenge on these human menaces and killed many humans
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frankbeeflinks (09/08/2015) [-] **frankbeeflinks used "*roll picture*"**
**frankbeeflinks rolled image**If she is so smart, can she explain why kids crave the taste of cinnamon toast crunch? Picture Is relevant Don't hurt me
**frankbeeflinks rolled image**If she is so smart, can she explain why kids crave the taste of cinnamon toast crunch? Picture Is relevant Don't hurt me
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reginleif ONLINE (09/08/2015) [-] Funny enough this is one of the least dick moves De Gaulle did, here's his speech where he disgraces the Allied men who died liberating his country by taking all the credit.
......No! We will not hide this deep and sacred emotion. These are minutes which go beyond each of our poor lives. Paris! Paris outraged! Paris broken! Paris martyred! But Paris liberated! Liberated by itself, liberated by its people with the help of the French armies, with the support and the help of all France, of the France that fights , of the only France, of the real France, of the eternal France!......
www.emersonkent.com/speeches/paris_liberated.htm
Bonus History fact: Margaret Thatcher was also a Grade A cunt, having backdoor meetings with the Soviet Union in order to keep Germany split and weak, directly subverting the American goal of a strong economic Europe to stave off communism.
www.margaretthatcher.org/document/112006
Tl;dnr Europeans are cunts.
......No! We will not hide this deep and sacred emotion. These are minutes which go beyond each of our poor lives. Paris! Paris outraged! Paris broken! Paris martyred! But Paris liberated! Liberated by itself, liberated by its people with the help of the French armies, with the support and the help of all France, of the France that fights , of the only France, of the real France, of the eternal France!......
www.emersonkent.com/speeches/paris_liberated.htm
Bonus History fact: Margaret Thatcher was also a Grade A cunt, having backdoor meetings with the Soviet Union in order to keep Germany split and weak, directly subverting the American goal of a strong economic Europe to stave off communism.
www.margaretthatcher.org/document/112006
Tl;dnr Europeans are cunts.
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kristovsky (09/08/2015) [-] Yeah it's not like US politicians have ever done anything bad....
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shortdevil (09/08/2015) [-] Nope, all wrong, De-Gaulle actually saluted the "admirable work of the allies of the free France" in his speech, but since you clearly didn't listen to or read all of it I'm not surprised you'd say that .
And have you seen the welcoming the french reserved to the allied soldiers, the joy ? The cheers ? my great-grandfathers died helping yours in liberating my country.
Never say that the French aren't thankful or grateful enough because we are truly appreciative of the allies help in the liberation our great nation.
And have you seen the welcoming the french reserved to the allied soldiers, the joy ? The cheers ? my great-grandfathers died helping yours in liberating my country.
Never say that the French aren't thankful or grateful enough because we are truly appreciative of the allies help in the liberation our great nation.
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pappathethird (09/08/2015) [-] Will you press the button?
You have a higher iq than Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking
but
You're a woman
You have a higher iq than Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking
but
You're a woman
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woolfy (09/08/2015) [-] Calling ******** on the IQ one.
Not saying she isn't extremely clever, but call me when she does something significant with that intelligence.
Not saying she isn't extremely clever, but call me when she does something significant with that intelligence.
