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User avatar #1 - beasert (06/13/2014) [-]
I'm missing a lot of somethings, but I'm interested in knowing more. What's the story here?
#2 to #1 - teranin ONLINE (06/13/2014) [-]
Miss Nevada (Now Miss USA) Had her platform on women learning martial arts and how to defend themselves to protect themselves from assault/sexual assault/rape.

www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/12/miss-usa-nia-sanchez-self-defense_n_5488775.html

Feminism is not a fan of that, because they don't want women to take responsibility for their own defense and instead want the world to teach men not to rape/assault, which is incredibly disingenuous when you look at the actual statistics but I digress. Even without those statistics it's about the dumbest **** ever.
User avatar #4 to #2 - aerialcharles ONLINE (06/14/2014) [-]
So it's like children getting mad when an adult tells them to look both ways crossing the street.

"Tell the people driving not to hit me, pig." #yesallchildren
#5 to #4 - withstrangeraeons (06/14/2014) [-]
Are you going to be able to talk violent sexual offenders out of hiding in bushes? No. But considering most rapes are committed by someone a woman knows, like a friend or acquaintance, there's a lot we can do to talk about consent. Things that don't mean consenting to sex include:
wearing a short skirt or revealing top,
allowing yourself to be alone with someone,
being passed out/incoherent,
anything but answering in the affirmative
It's always disturbed me a bit that the dialogue about rape so often devolves into "What was she wearing? Had she had anything to drink?" If someone breaks into a person's car, you don't ask first if it was a flashy model or where they parked it. We can agree rape isn't a good thing, right? So why is the reaction so angry, rather than "hey, yeah, that's a ****** thing, what can we do to help prevent it?"
User avatar #7 to #5 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (06/14/2014) [-]
1. Seeing as how most people aren't complete pieces of **** , we already know that none of those things means consent. I've seen more people being treated badly BECAUSE they made a move on a passed out girl, than I've seen people actually making moves on them.

2. I've actually NEVER, in public anyways, heard someone say "Oh, what was she wearing?" "Was she drunk?" "She was asking for it". Of course some assholes on the internet say it, but those are just people on the internet and they are often downvoted into oblivion.

Seriously, the reason why rape is such a taboo and debated topic is because, at the end of the day, date-rape really just comes down to a game of "He said/She said", and most people side with the woman regardless of any evidence (or lack thereof). There have been so many false rape claims as of late that it's NATURAL to question if it's a REAL rape or not. And it's a shame, really; a damn shame, I used to immediately take a woman's side when she made that claim because it seemed like the natural thing to do, but now-a-days the first thought that comes to my head is "Okay, what's HER definition of rape?"
User avatar #6 to #5 - schmitty (06/14/2014) [-]
Actually people bring up location all the time in other crimes. If you get mugged people often ask if you were in a bad part of town, if your car gets broken-in to one of the first things people ask is if there was anything of value out in the open. I'm not saying rape is OK, I just don't understand why its the only crime where no questions are acceptable to ask. Even in murder, which I would argue is worse than rape, people look for a motive. Did the victim have any enemies, why would someone want to kill this person, did they provoke their attacker? Rape for some reason has a shield of protection around asking questions, and to be honest its kind of ******** .

TL;DR Rape is definitely bad, but why can't we ask questions about the incident?
User avatar #8 to #6 - nudybooty (06/14/2014) [-]
I don't know man. Personally I think rape is worse then murder. Now, before you call me an idiot here is why. With murder, you don't have to live with guilt, shame, questioning self worth or any of that. It's my own preference that I would rather die over having years of suffering from physiological pain. Also if I got raped, I would probably try to commit suicide.

If I remember correct, 1 in 4 rape victims kill themselves
User avatar #14 to #8 - steelcrasher ONLINE (06/14/2014) [-]
B...but you're gone, your family will probably be crushed by your death, so will be your friends. You cease to exist, youwill never have children and expand your legacy and bloodline, you will never go to places and have amazing experiences, you will never get a job and meet new people who may become great friends to you... I mean sure rape is bad...but hell, getting beat up in high school is bad and may leave the same psychological wounds as rape.
User avatar #15 to #14 - nudybooty (06/14/2014) [-]
i dont want children and my family hates me, the 1 friend I have forgot about me once she got a boyfriend
User avatar #17 to #15 - steelcrasher ONLINE (06/14/2014) [-]
Well aren't you just a ray of sunshine.
The **** is happening in your life ? are you a spawn of satan or something ?
#20 to #17 - karvarausku ONLINE (06/14/2014) [-]
**karvarausku rolled image** No, she has just succumbed in the well of self pity and thinks se isn't worth a 			****		 until some nice guy comes and rescues her, they will have lots of fun for time being, but later on she doesn't feel the same way and starts to look escape route from the relationship and in the process turns the guys life into complete mess.
**karvarausku rolled image** No, she has just succumbed in the well of self pity and thinks se isn't worth a **** until some nice guy comes and rescues her, they will have lots of fun for time being, but later on she doesn't feel the same way and starts to look escape route from the relationship and in the process turns the guys life into complete mess.
User avatar #22 to #20 - steelcrasher ONLINE (06/14/2014) [-]
These kind of women are the worst. They are the kind who are deppresed all the time untill someone rescues her. And then she gets her ego pumped and proceeds to **** over that poor soul who rescued her and starts ******* random guys.
User avatar #46 to #22 - nudybooty (06/15/2014) [-]
Where are you guys getting this **** ? I'm not depressed, I am quite happy in my life. I have no real reason to not want children I just don't, I don't hate them I just don't want my own. I was adopted into a rich stuck up family and I ended up liking the arts instead of politics. I only have 1 friends because I ma painfully shy and don't talk to people.
User avatar #49 to #46 - steelcrasher ONLINE (06/15/2014) [-]
I actually started talking about shy women in general. But either way you gave an impression that you rather don't give a **** if you live or die (not exactly a response from a happy person)
And of course you don't want kids, i'm guessing you're a white so that doesn't strike me as weird.
User avatar #51 to #49 - nudybooty (06/15/2014) [-]
You missed my point completely, I care about my life I am saying if something that horrible happened to me I wouldn't want to suffer
User avatar #53 to #51 - steelcrasher ONLINE (06/15/2014) [-]
Welll that's why i asked, and you didn't answer. From my point it looked like you were going into a self pity mode
User avatar #54 to #53 - nudybooty (06/15/2014) [-]
You asked me if I was the spawn of satan and what's happening in my life. That was it and yes it was very well implied you were saying that trivial things make me miserable.
User avatar #55 to #54 - steelcrasher ONLINE (06/15/2014) [-]
Yes...?
I did ?
User avatar #64 to #55 - nudybooty (06/15/2014) [-]
Stop using words you don't understand.
User avatar #65 to #64 - steelcrasher ONLINE (06/15/2014) [-]
Sure thing ;)
User avatar #56 to #55 - nudybooty (06/15/2014) [-]
I wish.
Maybe it was just some of the worse wording in human history that implied that
User avatar #57 to #56 - steelcrasher ONLINE (06/15/2014) [-]
No seriously...Where did i implied that ? I'm curious myself now.
User avatar #62 to #57 - nudybooty (06/15/2014) [-]
I am running out of places to reply so just shut up. I am being "hostile" towards you because of how stupid you are being right now.

Seriously, you are acting like a mentally challenged Dr.Phil who's believes are founded on being a hypocrite.
User avatar #63 to #62 - steelcrasher ONLINE (06/15/2014) [-]
Ohh the irony
User avatar #60 to #57 - nudybooty (06/15/2014) [-]
You're ******* retarded.
User avatar #61 to #60 - steelcrasher ONLINE (06/15/2014) [-]
Wow...i wasn't even hostile.
So you're always right, hostile and you overanalize **** that isn't there... Yeah i'm sure being shy has something to do with you not having friends.
User avatar #58 to #57 - nudybooty (06/15/2014) [-]
Well aren't you just a ray of sunshine.
The **** is happening in your life ? are you a spawn of satan or something ?


These kind of women are the worst. They are the kind who are deppresed all the time untill someone rescues her. And then she gets her ego pumped and proceeds to **** over that poor soul who rescued her and starts ******* random guys.
User avatar #59 to #58 - steelcrasher ONLINE (06/15/2014) [-]
The frst one is a response to your selfpity or whatever that is in women's language
the second one is half ^ and half a question.

The last one is a generalisation of women without ego, not even directly pointed at you.
User avatar #50 to #49 - nudybooty (06/15/2014) [-]
saying I don't want kids makes me uncaring and miserable? And no, you didn't talk about being shy.
User avatar #52 to #50 - steelcrasher ONLINE (06/15/2014) [-]
Didn't say that
and yes i was generalising a type of women
User avatar #47 to #20 - nudybooty (06/15/2014) [-]
Where are you guys getting this **** ? I'm not depressed, I am quite happy in my life. I have no real reason to not want children I just don't, I don't hate them I just don't want my own. I was adopted into a rich stuck up family and I ended up liking the arts instead of politics. I only have 1 friends because I ma painfully shy and don't talk to people.

I don't pitty myself and I don't want or need to be rescued.
#13 to #8 - Neodude (06/14/2014) [-]
I'd like to offer a counter-point to that. I find murder to be far worse then rape. with rape, sure there can be all of those negatives, but as a person, you have a chance to rise above, and move past all those feelings. With murder, that's it, you're done. you cannot move on from being murdered, you absolutely cease to exist. If raped, you still have your life to move on with, to push forward and maybe be an amazing person. You can't do that when you are dead.
User avatar #44 to #8 - schmitty (06/14/2014) [-]
But my point wasn't about murder being worse than rape, it was that rape has an anti-question shield around it that makes no sense. You don't have to condone what someone did or blame the victim to just want to know how/why this happened.
User avatar #33 to #8 - teranin ONLINE (06/14/2014) [-]
so if we take your logic to it's natural conclusion, we should kill rape victims to be merciful, right?
User avatar #66 to #33 - nudybooty (06/15/2014) [-]
that's not even close to what I said
User avatar #67 to #66 - teranin ONLINE (06/15/2014) [-]
But if it hurts a rape victim more to be alive after a rape than a person who is dead would "experience", is that not the same logic behind merciful euthenasia of injured animals?
User avatar #68 to #67 - nudybooty (06/15/2014) [-]
I said in my personal preference.
User avatar #9 to #8 - nudybooty (06/14/2014) [-]
correctly*
#12 to #2 - cutiepyro (06/14/2014) [-]
umm, excuse me, but i don't even
umm, excuse me, but i don't even
User avatar #3 to #2 - nudybooty (06/14/2014) [-]
(sort of related) I think we need to educated both. Teach women how to defend and teach men what rape is.

I know a guy who thinks having sexing with a passed out chick is completely legal.
User avatar #11 to #3 - aerialcharles ONLINE (06/14/2014) [-]
People don't rape because they "didn't know, oopsy my bad."

They rape because they are criminals. It's like those stupid ******* "hurr no guns allowed in this building" stickers. They're not going to stop a gunmen now will they?

Telling "men not to rape" is just as stupid as telling "thieves not to steal." Crime is not combatted with commandments.
User avatar #16 to #11 - nudybooty (06/14/2014) [-]
I'm saying we need to teach people what is rape.
User avatar #32 to #16 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (06/14/2014) [-]
People know what rape is, it's Feminists that constantly skew the word and make it a "slippery term" themselves.

Rape is sex without consent, done, bottom line, everyone knows that. If Modern day Feminists had their way, a guy looking at you wrong would be rape.
User avatar #10 to #3 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (06/14/2014) [-]
Ah yes, teach all men not to commit crimes because one is ignorant of the law. Perfect logic.

How about you just show him the law where it states rape is counted as anything under "non-consent"?
User avatar #48 to #10 - nudybooty (06/15/2014) [-]
that's what I meant but I have poor wording, thank you
User avatar #21 to #2 - gonzoen (06/14/2014) [-]
"Feminism is not a fan of that". ******** . Most feminists believe in empowering both women and men, and being able to defend yourself is part of that.
User avatar #24 to #21 - malinko ONLINE (06/14/2014) [-]

"both woman and men." "feminists" you can not use that word if its for both.
if its both, you are an Equalist. there's no way around that. words actually have meaning and you cat just throw a label on something and have it mean whatever the **** you want.

it can not be called feminism while being for both sexes. at least not unless you want to be stupid **** nut who doesnt give a **** about logic.
User avatar #30 to #24 - gonzoen (06/14/2014) [-]
GAH! I wrote a long ******* respons to you, and it vanished when I backspaced to edit a typo.
Here's the gist of it:
It's called feminism for two main reasons:
The first is history. Feminism goes a long way back, all the way back to Mary Wollstonecraft’s work “A Vindication of the Rights of Woman” from 1792, the Womens’s Suffrage Movement from 1893, the feminist struggle to legalize abortion (1973 in USA), all the way up to today.
The second is to acknowledge the fact that women all over the world (even when you adjust for other societal problems) are more oppressed than men. It does not say that men are not oppressed at all, just that women have it harder, and therefore women have more to fight for. Most feminist movements (there are many, as it’s a grassroot movement) have by now acknowledged that they need to fight for others as well, including transgender people, non-hetero people, among just a few. And yes, they even fight for the rights of men.
So please, read something about feminism, educate yourself. You can’t just say “No, feminism isn’t that, because of the word”, because what you’re saying simply isn’t true. “Equalists” and “Egalitarians” are, from what I’ve experienced, just one small step above Mens’ Rights Activists.

If you actually care to learn something about feminism, this place is a good start: You need to login to view this link
Even if you’re against feminism, you should at least learn about what it’s actually about. Know your enemy.
User avatar #31 to #30 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (06/14/2014) [-]
Except that's still wrong.

Even completely ignoring the fact that many of those who represent Feminism are misandrists, that Feminism as a whole has a record of using falsified statistics and information, that Feminism is also a huge point of congregation FOR misandrists and allows them to flourish, and that it deliberately spreads lies, rumours, strawman-tactics, and impersonating tactics, women in the first world certainly do NOT have it harder than men. Hell no. In the third world? Absolutely, and that's where Feminism is needed, not here. And no, I do not respect Feminism or Feminists here, and I never will, because I find it completely disgusting how many of them honestly equate the 'oppression' they face when guys don't find their armpit hair attractive to the Oppression another woman faces when she has acid thrown into her face for trying to get an education.
User avatar #35 to #31 - gonzoen (06/14/2014) [-]
The ones you're talking about are called Radical Feminists, and are a fringe group, just as there are fringe groups in most political movements. These people are being ridiculed by mainstream feminists as well as others, as the majority of feminists are well aware that these idiots do nothing to help. I believe that you'd be hard pressed to find any political movement that doesn't have idiots. Have you ever gone off the internet and talked to real life feminists? I have, as I'm part of a group dedicated to exposing everyday sexism, and we meet about once a month. I assure you that none of the people I've met from that group are misandrists, and very few of the members of the online group have said anything hurtful about men.
User avatar #42 to #35 - malinko ONLINE (06/14/2014) [-]
and before you say "but we do speak out against them! because i just said they are bad"
im sorry, but ive never seen any group within the feminist community actually do something about them. no campaign, no advertisement, no videos. no organization speeches about it. and no movement. however, feminists seem to be able to find the time for stupid **** like "ban bossy"

I find feminism completely devoid of logic, organization or any real goal aside from "omg equal rights for girls! girl power!" well, what do you consider equal rights? do you mean by law? because if that is the case, by las you have more rights then men. and when i say more rights and mean more laws are put in to place to protect women, and sometimes those laws **** over men horribly. (divorce, child battles, rape cases, prison sentences. ect)

and i know for a fact you are going to mention equal pay for the same position. but, before you do, go look up the actual statistics on that insted of just the ones feminism focuses on.

so, if its not by law, do you want equal rights for women socially? cuz if so, you might as well pack up and good home. because in order to do that, you either have to change the opinion of everyone on the planet, or force them to. and in this country (usa) people have the freedom to be ignorant ***** . so good luck with that.
User avatar #41 to #35 - malinko ONLINE (06/14/2014) [-]
well guess what. that fringe group has completely hijacked your image, and is now the face of modern feminism. they are the reason no one takes feminism seriously, and that fact that the so called "real" feminist are not doing anything about them gives off the image that they condone what they do and therefore are grouped along with them.
User avatar #37 to #35 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (06/14/2014) [-]
Indeed I have, and nearly all of them have held the same opinions as your minority. All of them (that I've met) believe that men are inherently oppressors and that there is a war against women, that women are oppressed even in the firstworld, and believe the ******** propaganda usually spewed. I live in Canada too. Not many radicals on the average here.
User avatar #39 to #37 - gonzoen (06/14/2014) [-]
Ah, there's your problem: American feminists (and Canadian too, apparently).
Here in Denmark, radical feminists are the minority, and feminists fighting for actual equality are increasing in numbers. Last month, our museum of National History held a conference focused on feminism, both what it was and what it is, and what it might become in the future. There were several hundred feminists there, and I didn't hear any of them bitching about men, or saying that men are "inherently oppressors" or anything of the like. Those prejudices are seen as old-fashioned and unintelligent here in Denmark.
User avatar #45 to #39 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (06/14/2014) [-]
Good for you guys.
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User avatar #28 to #24 - lyiat (06/14/2014) [-]
Uuugh. No, no, no. It is not 'equalism'. That's from Legend of Korra and is a hate group against benders, and doesn't exist. People for all rights are 'Egalitarians', and support the Egalitarianism movement.
User avatar #36 to #34 - gonzoen (06/14/2014) [-]
Tip of the Day: When the media says "feminists this" and "feminists that", they are usually talking about Radical Feminists, the extremist outliners that you'd find in most political movements.
User avatar #43 to #36 - malinko ONLINE (06/14/2014) [-]
that's a nice shield you hide behind . did you find it in the temple of "pass the buck"?

"Feminist shield of protection"
"Every time someone disproves your logic or standing, feminist shield of protection adds a 1/1 radical feminist creature token to the battle field. this creature takes all damage for you this turn"
User avatar #38 to #36 - teranin ONLINE (06/14/2014) [-]
Tip of the Day: Not when the media saying so is owned by a feminist and propagates a feminist narrative.

Things are not that simple.
#25 - sparkydude (06/14/2014) [-]
I wish we could all get along.
If I had the power to wipe humanity off the face of the planet, I would do it.
Deep down though, I would be wishing humanity would give me a reason not to.
User avatar #26 to #25 - toggme (06/14/2014) [-]
Holy **** man im bleeding
#27 - valygomu (06/14/2014) [-]
Semi related story :   
Once my older sister had a "strong talk" with her boyfriend,he talk 			****		 and she talk 			****		 back,and eventually he ask "what you gonna do?"   
She sweeped his leg off and then proceed to ground and pound him.   
7 hit combo knockout of the year,they broke up after because he was ashamed lol.
Semi related story :
Once my older sister had a "strong talk" with her boyfriend,he talk **** and she talk **** back,and eventually he ask "what you gonna do?"
She sweeped his leg off and then proceed to ground and pound him.
7 hit combo knockout of the year,they broke up after because he was ashamed lol.
#23 - officialjg (06/14/2014) [-]
Yep. Feminism is a joke now. Let's laugh.
Yep. Feminism is a joke now. Let's laugh.
#19 - anon (06/14/2014) [-]
I'm sure I don't need to tell Funnyjunkers this, but no matter how much you want sexual assault to stop, it's not going to, not anytime soon. Therefore, learn to defend yourself.
User avatar #18 - sinonyx (06/14/2014) [-]
obviously the best way for a women to defend her self would be by killing every male that exists
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