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FREE PALESTINE!. I'm not saying Israel is dealing with the situation the best way, but I'm just saying the Palestinians is not without guilt in this whole thing

I'm not saying Israel is dealing with the situation the best way, but I'm just saying the Palestinians is not without guilt in this whole thing.. Whould you just expect Israel to accept daily rocket attacks against, seemingly random targets?

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#47 - thekame

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(07/20/2014) [-]

Last time I checked the reason Palestine started attacking Israel was because Israel was firing rockets at civilian targets in order to kill the people that were responsible for the murder of those 3 kids killing many innocent people in the process. I must add that they haven't even proven who was responsible for the murder yet, And I am very doubtful Hamas is responsible because it is known that they do not murder their prisoners.

The argument is retarded anyway because who ever started the war does not justify the crimes against humanity Israel, and Hamas I must add, are committing. Israel is just committing much worse, and much more crimes.

Even schnitzel understands this and he is a known troll and I suspect that he is retarded.

#64 to #47 - howboutyou

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(07/21/2014) [-]

I won't give you a lengthy answer like I did to that other guy, but I will tell you that what you know is wrong.

Hamas didn't fire rockets because Israel did first, it's the other way around.
When the 3 Israeli boys were murdered all we did was sulk and cry, not go out on a war with death in our eyes.

#100 to #64 - thekame

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(07/21/2014) [-]

"When the 3 Israeli boys were murdered all we did was sulk and cry, not go out on a war with death in our eyes."
www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/12490-netanyahu-vows-hamas-will-pay-after-settlers-found-dead
"From the moment news of their disappearance was made public Netanyahu placed blame on Hamas. The group denied the claims.

Israel carried out an all-out campaign against Hamas in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. It arrested more than 500 Hamas leaders and member in the West Bank, killed five Palestinians and carried out airstrikes against Hamas facilities in Gaza."
Israel was already carrying out airstrikes when the teens were only missing and not even dead yet.

#63 to #47 - anon id: e20c3b87

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(07/21/2014) [-]

By definition Israel isn't actually committing war crimes (Else yes, the UN would have stepped in in some form.) Civilian casualties are war crimes only if they are deliberately targetted as civilians. Hamas directly targets civilians. Israel actually exercises more caution to avoid civilian casulaties than any army has ever done - they announce targets in advance to allow people to get away. Hamas on the other hand forces people into their weapon caches so tha when they are destroyed they can use it as part of their propoganda machine.

The Palestinian people are getting ****** by both sides. I'm pro Palestine AND Pro Israel. A two-state solution is the only thing that makes sense, but that isn't going to happen while Hamas is ******* aorund.

#99 to #63 - thekame

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(07/21/2014) [-]

And what about using illegal weapons? Is that also only a war crime when somebody else than Israel uses them?
www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/12939-israel-uses-illegal-weapons-in-gaza

I was actually searching for an article about the whole "they announce targets in advance" that I read a while back but I sadly couldn't find it.

#82 to #47 - anon id: da55fc8b

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(07/21/2014) [-]

i just love how people think they know whats happening then they go and post retarded comments like that and people actually agree with them... anyone who actually knows whats happening in gaza would obviously be on israels side... its really as simple as that all the deaths of civilans in gaza is either their own fault or the hamas's fault

#98 to #47 - biomedic

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(07/21/2014) [-]

Here's something fun! you can hear the kidnappers speaking hebrew on the call one of the teenagers made to the emergency services. It's being used as a pretext to invade Gaza and take control of the massive natural gas reserves on Gaza's coast so that pressure for gas will be taken off of Europe in the event we go to war with Russia (Europe's current gas supplier).
www.ibtimes.co.uk/gaza-crisis-israel-invading-secure-palestinian-4bn-gas-reserves-1457356

#101 to #98 - thekame

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(07/21/2014) [-]

I doubt they are doing it for the gas tbh.

#102 to #101 - biomedic

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(07/21/2014) [-]

Do you mind me asking why? I like to hear new ideas so that I can correct my own.
It makes a lot of sense to me. Taking away that income from the Palastinians keeps them desperate enough to keep attacking Israel and thereby gives Israel a reason to keep acquiring their land.
I can't really think of another reason for the massively disproportionate retaliation Israel have launched at Gaza, and it's not like a nation hasn't ever used terrorism as a pretext to take control of resources, like the Iraq war.

#103 to #102 - thekame

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(07/21/2014) [-]

If they wanted gas they would have occupied Sinai after the 7 days war. I believe the reason is so that they can test out the new weapons they have produced. It might also just be because the people of Israel don't see the Arabs as human beings.

#56 - angelwithashotgun

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(07/21/2014) [-]

The Hamas are freedom fighters. (although, some pretty crappy ones, I admit)

Their lands are under occupation by another country, who has stolen their lands and kicked them out. If they weren't Muslims, and the enemy wasn't a major US ally, they would be considered freedom fighters, and the US would probably help them.

#57 to #56 - anon id: e20c3b87

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(07/21/2014) [-]

Yeah 'freedom fighters.' Just like ISIS right?

#58 to #57 - angelwithashotgun

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(07/21/2014) [-]

ISIS is actively taking over foreign land

Hamas is fighting Israel, who is occupying their country

What they are doing is little different that the freedom fighters of world war II, they just use other means (crappy ones, i admit)

#132 to #58 - karrotj

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(07/21/2014) [-]

So in otherwords if the cherokee decided to just start attacking american citys and taking over the united states you would be fine with that? Or since americans are descendants of great britain if we decided to just start bombing them and invading, that would be fine too?

#133 to #132 - angelwithashotgun

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(07/21/2014) [-]

If the ones who had their lands were still alive, then yeah. What you fail to realize is that this is still happening in Israel.

#134 to #133 - karrotj

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(07/21/2014) [-]

There are descendants of those people who held those lands, so what your saying is if your parents own land and i run them off their land and they die afterwords the land doesnt become yours? It is legitimatly mine?

#136 to #134 - angelwithashotgun

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(07/21/2014) [-]

There is a huge difference between private property ownership and state territory, don't use the wrong one to justify your argument.

My point was that if you are not alive to experience the hardship it brought, you are not entitled to call yourself a freedom fighter if you rebel. You are still allowed to be pissed, though, as I guess a lot of Indians are.

#138 to #136 - karrotj

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(07/21/2014) [-]

the only hardship is what they suffer for harboring terrorists. I mean hammas attacked first

#139 to #138 - angelwithashotgun

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(07/21/2014) [-]

At this point, there really isn't anyone who attacked first, because everything is a retaliation.

#140 to #139 - karrotj

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(07/21/2014) [-]

are you kidding me?! the initial attack is the first attack, you cant call an initial attack a retaliation that makes no sense. Of course if your looking at the use of force continuum then they may see it as retaliation to some insult but still it would be responding to verbal force with deadly force wich is way overreaction ie not retaliation but first strike

#141 to #140 - angelwithashotgun

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(07/21/2014) [-]

That still doesn't make the extremely excessive force used by Israel okay.

#142 to #141 - karrotj

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(07/21/2014) [-]

it does when you take into account that isreal is really only targetting terrorists, idiots should know that the terrorists are gonna get bombed and move away from them

#143 to #142 - angelwithashotgun

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(07/21/2014) [-]

But the Palestinians don't consider them terrorists, they consider them freedom fighters, because they are fighting for their freedom. People in Gaza don't have enough food and medical supplies because of the Israeli embargoes.

#153 to #143 - meganinja

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(07/22/2014) [-]

I'm sure the people who slammed into the world trade center didn't consider themselves terrorists either.

#156 to #153 - angelwithashotgun

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(07/22/2014) [-]

I don't recall saying that Al Qaida is a good organization
Or even that I condone what Hamas is doing

What I am saying is that Israel is pretty ******* bad as well
And that the only victims here are the Palestinian civilians.

#144 to #143 - anon id: badf3796

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(07/21/2014) [-]

There are many terrorist groups that arent considered terrorists by the people who agree with their views.

#145 to #144 - angelwithashotgun

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(07/21/2014) [-]

if they are with us, they are freedom fighters
If they are against us, they are terrorists

#60 to #58 - anon id: e20c3b87

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(07/21/2014) [-]

Occupying their land and invading foreign land are entirely matters of oppinion. Hamas doesn't actually have a country to fight for since Palestine is and has always been, a region not a recognicsed independant country. Palestine won't be recognised as a country until Hamas stops it's **** long enough for two-state treaty to be signed. Currently, every time the UN proposes such a treaty that doesn't involve 'And all the Jews in Israel will be put to death' they reject it.

#61 to #60 - angelwithashotgun

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(07/21/2014) [-]

It's not a matter of opinion, they lived there first, and Israel has been expanding their own borders and moving the previous population. The only reason it's permitted is because anyone who disagrees is labeled anti-Semitic, and the US considers them their allies, and therefore ignores everything they do.

#104 to #61 - valygomu

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(07/21/2014) [-]

I finally found someone with a brain in here

#123 to #61 - anon id: 328df122

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(07/21/2014) [-]

oh really *******?

#128 to #123 - dieterkaiser

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(07/21/2014) [-]

JIDF pls go

#125 to #123 - anon id: 952768b5

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(07/21/2014) [-]

You just proved him so right you have no idea, JIDF

#127 to #123 - angelwithashotgun

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(07/21/2014) [-]

So i'm wrong to say that Israel is illegally occupying the lands because it didn't belong to a nation called Palestine in the first place, but to Egypt and Jordan instead?

I fail to see how that makes me wrong

#65 to #61 - anon id: e20c3b87

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(07/21/2014) [-]

But that is a matter of oppinion because you feel that the mid-term historical grounds outweigh any other metric of land ownership. If we applied the same overriding 'right' globally then the whole world would be constantly up in arms against itself.

Whats more, Israel is not opposed to a two-state solution. The only thing preventing that at the moment are extremist groups like Hamas, which actually don't give a **** about whats best for Palestinians they just hate Jews.

#124 to #65 - anon id: 50ac453b

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(07/21/2014) [-]

Hamas has recognised Israel, Israel on the other hand does not rcognise Palestine. The problem in the talks about a 2 state soulution is that Israel won't accept giving back land that they have stolen from Palestine, and the fact that they keep sponsoring new settlements in Palestinian territory.

#68 to #65 - angelwithashotgun

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(07/21/2014) [-]

If you can militarily back your ownership of a piece of land, then it's yours, I accept that. The inhabitants have to accept it and live by your rules.

But when you start throwing out the people who lived there, that's a whole other story.

Btw, it's not the Palestinians who started this. There were Jews living peacefully in Palestine before there ever was an Israel. After WW II, the British decided that Jews should have a land of their own, and so they started kicking people out of their homes to make space for Jews. I doubt America would ever take something like that lying down, regardless of how much smaller their military was compared to who took it.

#69 to #68 - anon id: e20c3b87

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(07/21/2014) [-]

It's quite a bit more complicated than that. The British proposed the initial separation plan which launched a ********* of fanatical Jewish and Muslim groups being assholes. When the UN took over in charge of the split there were more shenanigans on both sides. There was an Exodus from both sides of the partition and the major population displacements only really happened during the wars started by the Arab countries attacking Israel (And then the later counter attacks.)

Saying that the Israelis kicked doors down and forced people to leave en mass is a very over-simplified an veering to one side version of history.

#70 to #69 - angelwithashotgun

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(07/21/2014) [-]

Might be, but as they have been doing it ever since, I say it's a rather accurate approximation.

#72 to #70 - anon id: e20c3b87

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(07/21/2014) [-]

It's not accurate when it excludes any kind of context. You can make anyone out to be a villain by doing that.

#73 to #72 - angelwithashotgun

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(07/21/2014) [-]

But it's true isn't it? Israel has been settling into Palestinian lands for more than fifty years and throwing out the people who live there, how do you expect them to act?

#76 to #73 - anon id: e20c3b87

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(07/21/2014) [-]

For that same 50 year period ISrael has continuously been in discussion for a two-state solution. They aren't the ones that keep dismissing the idea. Any 2 state solution would end up with chunks of land that Israel has rightfully conquered going to Palestine.

You can't really demonize them for capitalising on the stupidity of the opposition.

#78 to #76 - angelwithashotgun

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(07/21/2014) [-]

If someone invaded your country and then said "hey, we would be okay with you guys living over here in this little spot of land" would you agree to it? I somehow doubt that

#79 to #78 - anon id: e20c3b87

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(07/21/2014) [-]

When the alternative is to be used as human shields and bombed into oblivion, yes, yes I would. People should know when they're conquered. A two-state plan at this point is charity on Israel's part. Nobody in the region has the strength to resist an all-out offensive by Israel and they're perfectly capable of simply siezing the entire area and dealing with 'rebels' in the same manner that Russia and China use. (Which everyone turns a blind eye to since we only ever care when there's fancy PR campaigns involved.)

#55 - billybeee

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(07/21/2014) [-]

Saying palestinians are terrorists for resisting oppression is like saying jews in the warsaw ghetto were terrorists for resisting the nazis.

Israel is the one who bombed gaza first. Gaza had not fired a single rocket since the 2012 ceasefire. When israel bombed them they resisted as any human being has the right to do.

Israel shelled a residential neighbourhood this morning in revenge for their military losses. bodies of women and children seen in the streets : www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZoMFk82UY30#t=85

#62 to #55 - howboutyou

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(07/21/2014) [-]

Wait, what? you said "Gaza had not fired a single rocket since the 2012 ceasefire"

Are you ******* kidding me? From where you got that wrong info?

Here is how it went :

Hamas kidnapped and murdered 3 boys.
In retaliation, some israelis kidnapped a Muslim child and murdered him.

When the 3 Israeli boys were murdered, we were sad while the people of Gaza celebreated, and when the Muslim kid was murdered, Israel condemned the murder and vowed to make the murderer pay, while Hamas started shooting rockets from dusk till dawn.
Only a few days after they started firing at us, days spent trying to reason with them, Israel retaliated with bombing of AMMO CACHES, WHICH HAPPEN TO RESIDE IN INNOCENT CIVILIAN HOMES. (gee I wonder why!)
Also, we call them and ask them to leave the house so they won't get hurt.
Some refuse to leave, they prefer to die. Others, well... They are too afraid to leave because Hamas will kill who ever dares to stop acting like a human shield.

The rest of the story is of no importance : bottom line :

TL ; DR : ISRAEL DID NOT ATTACK FIRST!

Bonus : Gaza asked for a humanitarian ceasefire to tend to the wounded. short while after we agreed, they fired rockets at us, while we stayed silent until the ceasefire was officialy over.

Another TL;DR : Don't believe the media. Not the US one, not the Euopean one, Not the Muslim one and heck, not even the Israeli one!

BELIVE ONLY WHAT YOU SEE AND LIVE EVERY SINGLE DAY.

#74 to #62 - billybeee

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(07/21/2014) [-]

1) There is zero evidence for anyone kidnapping those 3 boys. There is just as much chance that israel did it as a false flag attack, as hamas did it.

2)The rest of the story has no significance? Not at all. israel bombed gaza right after under the guise of hamas kidnapping them (Which they denied and is zero evidence still). Any human being has the right to resist.

3) Believe what you see and live every single day. While you live in israel, with the iron dome, that shoots down home made rockets with no warheads, that will barely put a dent in a concrete side walk, gazans are dying by the hundreds with precision bombings by israel in schools, hospitals, and residential buildings. I experienced israels "self defence" in lebanon in 2006. While israel was carpet bombing christians neighbourhoods, killing hundreds of civilians. You only know what your state media tells you

#84 to #74 - angelwithashotgun

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(07/21/2014) [-]

I'm lucky enough that my countries (Denmark) media doesn't unconditionally support Israel, but I expect a lot of countries do that in fear of be called anti Semitic

#85 to #84 - xxbutthurtxx

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(07/21/2014) [-]

geez be glad you dont live in germany

#90 to #85 - angelwithashotgun

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(07/21/2014) [-]

Yeah, they can't really say anything to Israel ever

On the other hand, if Israel ever criticizes Germany for the Holocaust, they are basically saying that it's okay for Palestine to complain about everything that has happened since then.

#92 to #90 - xxbutthurtxx

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(07/21/2014) [-]

Yep, also I'm not responsible for what my great-granparents did.

Hope this **** stops in like 10-20 years when both the last people who are responsible for the holocaust and the survivors are dead.

#93 to #92 - angelwithashotgun

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(07/21/2014) [-]

Don't count on it, Muslims are still angry about the massacres from the crusades.

Remember, these people know how to hold a grudge

#95 to #93 - xxbutthurtxx

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(07/21/2014) [-]

Yep thats idiotic, and this **** will go on till out race exitincts because violence breeds violence and also violence often brings profit for third parties.

No ******* naked ape on this planet has the guts to be the first to stop it by saying you know what **** this I'm not hitting back this time.

#81 to #74 - howboutyou

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(07/21/2014) [-]

First of all, I knew I'd get much hate in the form of red thumbs, because this site is full of haters. But it does not matter.

1) You are suggesting we killed 3 of our own... just to have an excuse for war... Are you for real? Who in their right mind do such a horrible thing?
Oh, I know who. Hamas. As I said eariler, they use their civillians as human shield, ordering them to protect their missles with their lives, or die by their hand.

2) The rest of the story has no significance because all I tried to do was to explain to you that you're wrong thinking that Israel started it all. You said Hamas sat quietly and we bombed the hell out of them, which is not true. I thought that the "TL;DR" means a quick summary of my point.

Next, again you claim wrong things, things I tried to tell you are wrong.
Israel did NOT attack Gaza on the guise of the murder of our 3 boys, it was because trying to negotiate with them for a few days, days spent with endless showers of missles from Gaza, didn't work out, so we had to resort to attacking their missle launchers to minimize damage.

Also you say that any human being has the right to resist, but that is our motto!
All we do is protect ourselves, while Hamas, in his own words "Love death more than we love life".

3) I'm sorry not really that we choose to defend ourselves instead of going on an all out attack to wipe out Gaza. So yes, we have an Irom Dome SOLELY for the purpose of protecting ourselves.

And on the other note, angelwithashotgun, I didn't use CAPS LOCK everywhere, only on important points... your argument is invalid.

#87 to #81 - xxbutthurtxx

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(07/21/2014) [-]

1) Mossad

#83 to #81 - angelwithashotgun

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Using caps lock randomly STILL MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT

#96 to #83 - howboutyou

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(07/21/2014) [-]

If anything else, I'd like to thank you for that amazing reaction gif.

Fukken saved!

#86 to #83 - howboutyou

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(07/21/2014) [-]

Again... "randomly"?

IT'S NOT like I did it liKE thIS! ThiS IS RaNdoM!

#91 to #86 - angelwithashotgun

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(07/21/2014) [-]

You don't use CAPS LOCK FOR EMPHASIS, you use bold or underlining, CAPS LOCK IS FOR WHEN YOU RANDOMLY START SCREAMING AT THE SCREEN

#71 to #62 - angelwithashotgun

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USING CAPS LOCK MAKES YOU SEEM OBJECTIVE AND INTELLIGENT, AND REALLY MAKES ME BELIEVE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING

#59 to #55 - anon id: e20c3b87

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(07/21/2014) [-]

Hamas is an internationally recognised terorrist group by the UN.

The latest round of conflict was absolutely started by Hamas who launched hundreds of rockets into Israel (And who have been breaking every ceasefire.)

#151 to #59 - billybeee

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(07/22/2014) [-]

it's not recognized as a terror organization by the UN.

#53 - slapchoppin

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(07/21/2014) [-]

when is Israel just gonna take over the rest of the middle east already?

its the only country that isn't third world in that ********

#158 to #53 - billybeee

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(07/30/2014) [-]

lebanon is more westernized in places than israel is

#105 - clechyl

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commencing pro-palestine dump
inb4 red pixels

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#2 - schnizel

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How was Israel made?

#3 to #2 - mathiasenggaard [OP]

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What?

#5 to #3 - schnizel

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(07/20/2014) [-]

In the but.
Now, how was Israel made?

#7 to #5 - mathiasenggaard [OP]

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(07/20/2014) [-]

What Anon said.

The jews were given land (Fought against the surrounding arabic countries for it) and was declared independent in 1947

#8 to #7 - schnizel

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(07/20/2014) [-]

Given which was stolen. Also, the jews in Israel aren't even real jews. They are pagans who converted to judaism who come from Khazaria and spread within Europe.

#35 to #8 - ukobarrywewa

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LOL if they converted then they are Jews. It's a religion, not a nationality.

#37 to #35 - schnizel

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But there are some original jews.

#40 to #37 - ukobarrywewa

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so what? the Khazars are still Jews regardless

#41 to #40 - schnizel

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(07/20/2014) [-]

Jew-ish
Get it?

#43 to #41 - ukobarrywewa

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How do you know about the Khazars anyway? The only source for them is a text written around 1200 CE, along with some letters written around 1100 CE and some Jewish paraphernalia found in the area.

#44 to #43 - schnizel

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(07/20/2014) [-]

Because I was studying about Bulgarian history and the Khazar empire ****** them up too.

#9 to #8 - mathiasenggaard [OP]

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(07/20/2014) [-]

Yea, I don't know alot about it and I agree that the past (And probably present) of Israel isn't really pretty. I want to take side either, but given recent events I don't believe the Palestinians should be victimized the way they are.

#10 to #9 - schnizel

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(07/20/2014) [-]

No slave wants freedom, he wants to be like the master. Israel does not give a **** about the muslims, they are a means to an end. They want the oil and the gas that's in Gaza so that makes their intentions un-noble.

#36 to #10 - ukobarrywewa

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(07/20/2014) [-]

there is no oil in Gaza

#38 to #36 - schnizel

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(07/20/2014) [-]

There is.

#12 to #10 - mathiasenggaard [OP]

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(07/20/2014) [-]

You may be right. But if you want someone to help (Probably not USA, but FN and other instances) you should not go on as a faceless organisation bombing civilian targets. The World will not help Palestine as long as they blow civilians up with rockets and ****.

#13 to #12 - schnizel

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(07/20/2014) [-]

The Israeli took down 3 buildings in order to make America go into their war, and even before they have sunk a US ship to make them fight for Israel. Israel does that same **** Hamas does but the media does not report it.

#18 to #13 - mathiasenggaard [OP]

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(07/20/2014) [-]

I don't know much about the specifics, but it does seem probable. I don't think USA will be fond of the idea, but I'd say the only way to settle that **** is to insert western troops (NATO & FN) demilitarize the area (All militia is an enemy of the cause) and get crystal clear lines of what is Israel and what is not.

Palestine is the underdog, but I don't believe that they are much better then the Israeli. Israel will clearly win if it comes to an all out war between them due to greater numbers both in men and in weapon (Partly to the part of USA).

#20 to #18 - schnizel

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(07/20/2014) [-]

America is Israels bitch, they do what Israel tells them to do.

#21 to #20 - mathiasenggaard [OP]

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(07/20/2014) [-]

Yea, I know that (They certainly have alot of influence on what USA does or doesn't) but NATO is also more than USA and with enough pressure they may not be able to stand their ground. Same with FN, which is probably more likely to engage in the conflict.

#22 to #21 - schnizel

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(07/20/2014) [-]

And NATO is the bitch of the US.

#25 to #22 - mathiasenggaard [OP]

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(07/20/2014) [-]

Yea, generally, but there are plenty other parties in NATO and if they picked up their god damn balls they could do stuff the US doesn't 100% agree with.

#26 to #25 - schnizel

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(07/20/2014) [-]

Like?

#27 to #26 - mathiasenggaard [OP]

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(07/20/2014) [-]

Well, I don't know, military stuff in the Israel/Palestine region..

#28 to #27 - schnizel

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(07/20/2014) [-]

Like?

#29 to #28 - mathiasenggaard [OP]

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(07/20/2014) [-]

Are you kidding?

#18 to #13 - mathiasenggaard ONLINE (38 minutes ago) [-]
I don't know much about the specifics, but it does seem probable. I don't think USA will be fond of the idea, but I'd say the only way to settle that **** is to insert western troops (NATO & FN) demilitarize the area (All militia is an enemy of the cause) and get crystal clear lines of what is Israel and what is not.

#30 to #29 - schnizel

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(07/20/2014) [-]

But that will never happen.

#31 to #30 - mathiasenggaard [OP]

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(07/20/2014) [-]

Well, I do believe something will happen, and this just seems as the best solution in my eyes as it is right not.

#32 to #31 - schnizel

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(07/20/2014) [-]

Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding. It won't happen.

#4 to #2 - anon id: 262ab845

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(07/20/2014) [-]

They got the land from the British.

#6 to #4 - schnizel

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(07/20/2014) [-]

And the British got that land from the Ottomans and they promised the Arabs they would united the middle eastern world and give them the power, but instead they ****** them up by dividing them and causing internal conflicts within those countries.

#67 to #6 - anon id: e20c3b87

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(07/21/2014) [-]

And since when has Britain upheld it's end of the bargain when dealing with dirty foreign peasant folk?

#77 to #67 - schnizel

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(07/21/2014) [-]

kek

#33 to #6 - ukobarrywewa

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(07/20/2014) [-]

not quite. England used EXTREMELY vague terms, although the arabs did take it to mean they would get all of the middle east.

#34 to #33 - schnizel

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(07/20/2014) [-]

Explain further.

#39 to #34 - ukobarrywewa

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(07/20/2014) [-]

They basically told them that they "intended for the Middle east to be a predominantly Muslim region"

#42 to #39 - schnizel

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(07/20/2014) [-]

"intended"

#66 to #42 - anon id: e20c3b87

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(07/21/2014) [-]

'predominantly'

#11 to #2 - yuukoku

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(07/20/2014) [-]

I heard, the Jews just showed up to escape persecution in Europe. Mostly doctors, lawyers, etc. The British granted them the land and the Palestinians didn't really care. Immigration then increased dramatically when the Nazis started breaking down doors and hauling people off. Illegal immigration was on the rise and the British tried to keep them out with blockades and boarder patrol, but they just kept getting in. One thing led t another, there was a civil war, a British hotel was bombed, and the British finally left, leaving the Palestinians to fend for themselves. They fought a war of independence and won against the Arabs and that's how modern Israel came to be.

#14 to #11 - schnizel

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(07/20/2014) [-]

The persecution argument, ok.
Read what I have said in #6.
You also seem to forget that one of the founding fathers of Israel was Hitler and that he was also one of the most important people who has helped in the creation of Israel.

#15 to #14 - yuukoku

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Yeah, I saw #6. That would explain all the infighting that's taking place right now between the people there. To be honest, Israel has essentially been stealing land ever since they got there. When the British left, they essentially made it so that the Israelis could do whatever they want with no boundaries, so they don't feel any obligation to stop.

#16 to #15 - schnizel

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(07/20/2014) [-]

By way of deception, thou shalt do war.
Mossad motto

#17 to #16 - yuukoku

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(07/20/2014) [-]

Yeah, remember those Mossad guys caught during 9/11?

#19 to #17 - schnizel

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(07/20/2014) [-]

The five guys in the white van?

#23 to #19 - yuukoku

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(07/20/2014) [-]

Yeah, those guys

#24 to #23 - schnizel

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(07/20/2014) [-]

lel

#131 - ukellisuae

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(07/21/2014) [-]

I agree, firing rockets from civilian positions then expecting a country like Israel not to commit complete and utter overkill is like shooting a bear with a bean bag gun and not expecting it to rip you apart. Thats just my opinion im open to dicussion

#147 to #131 - mathiasenggaard [OP]

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(07/21/2014) [-]

My point exactly! The bear (Israel obviously) is not right to rip you (Palestine) apart, but it's damn stupid to tease it.

#52 - ihatem

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(07/21/2014) [-]

Let's not confuse Hamas with the majority of Palestinians, though, Hamas has majority parliamentary seats but just how legit or fair those elections were are pretty questionable.
But their problem is also bigger than Israel and the mostly don't really realize it, so they insist on focusing on Israel.

About the least biased video I can find on "The Origins of Israel/Palestinian Conflict"

#49 - ThatFuckingGuy

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(07/21/2014) [-]

Israel has a GIANT
*******
SHIELD.
Also, how would YOU react if a bunch of ******* Jews just came out of nowhere and took a whole chunk of your home away from you?

#154 to #49 - meganinja

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(07/22/2014) [-]

I'd probably move 2 miles to some other part of the wasteland where I don't get bombed.

#88 - incontinence

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(07/21/2014) [-]

If you didn't want to go to war with Israel,

You should have passively let them knock down your houses to build their own on your land because they claim god gave it to them.
I enjoy stirring the paint

#149 to #88 - mathiasenggaard [OP]

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(07/21/2014) [-]

Yea, sure teasing a far more powerful nation is the best idea!

I'm gonna refer to a commen by ukellisuae :
"I agree, firing rockets from civilian positions then expecting a country like Israel not to commit complete and utter overkill is like shooting a bear with a bean bag gun and not expecting it to rip you apart. Thats just my opinion im open to dicussion"

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