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F U. Pretty much. Yup.. University Asks Alumni For Donation Money. One Graduate Sends Back This Amazing Email. Dear University Alumni Office, I' m sorry to hear

Pretty much. Yup.

University Asks Alumni For
Donation Money. One Graduate
Sends Back This Amazing Email.
Dear University Alumni Office,
I' m sorry to hear that the university' s
million endowment has fallen in value to
million because of the recession and because
your bank died. I' m also sorry to hear that
you' re dealing with declining enrollment due
to the fact that families are no
longer willing or able to bet their homes on a
higher education for their
children. I really am.
So, what I want to know is, why are you
wasting money on glossy fundraising
brochures full of meaningless synonyms for
the word "Excellence"? And, why are you
sending them to ME? Yes, I know that I got a
master' s degree at your fine institution, but
that master' s degree hasn' t done jack shit for
me since I got it! I have been unemployed for
the past TWO YEARS and I am now a
professional , sending out
dozens of resumes a month to employers, and
the degree I received in your hallowed halls is
at the TOP OF IT and it doesn' t do a f** king
thing.
You know, maybe if you wanted a little bit of
money from me (and these days you' d get
about ) maybe you should send me a fancy
color brochure admitting your role in the
bubble economics that got us all in to this
mess.
For example, since 1987, higher education
expenses have gone up aso percent, while
personal income in this country has gone up
87 percent, making tuition IMPOSSIBLE to
afford without special financing. But, during
this time, you were thriving because people
could come up with the cash in two ways:
L Get a home equity loan and use the inflated
value of their house to pay for their kid to get
drunk at your school and then lose the house
when the market crashed.
2. Get a federal loan.
HAD IT OCCURRED TO YOU THAT NEITHER OF
THESE SOURCES OF MONEY ACTUALLY EXIST?
THAT IT WAS BEING MANUFACTURED
BECAUSE YOU MADE PEOPLE THINK THAT
ONE OF YOUR DEGREES WAS NECESSARY TO
CLIMB TO THE TOP OF THE BUBBLE?
Oh yes, federal loans. I' got , 000 of
those, which are in "forbearance" right now
because I' m unemployed, meaning that the
feds are paying the interest for a while, which
is convenient for me, but not for our
government which is now owned by China.
You know, the idea behind federal loans was
that it would allow more students to attend
your university, not let you INFLATE your
tuition to obscene levels! I mean, what the
f** k were you spending the , 000 per
semester on, anyway? I was in a public policy
program, so that meant we got to sit in
classrooms and listen to Professor God up at
the front of the lecture hall glorify Himself and
Creation as He saw it and talk about how
much smarter he was than anyone else and
how much he' d learned at MIT and the RAND
Corporation.
Really, that' s about all you did for us -- gave us
a lecture hall, gave us an arrogant bastard to
listen to, and gave us a room full of computers
we could use sometimes, and you gave us a
degree that employers look at and say "This
guy knows how to write reports. Amusing."
And I will be paying for this privilege until I am
SI years old.
So I' m sorry that the economy' s been rough on
you. Maybe, if you wanted to save a little
money, you could stop printing and sending
brochures to my parents' house (oh yeah,
that' s where I live because I can' t afford rent
on ANYTHING). And, maybe I' ll donate a little
bit of money to you in 2030, when I get the
loans for your imaginary education PAID OFF!
Sincerely you rs,
Alumnus
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#14 - hudge
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(05/20/2014) [-]
Meanwhile, I was employed the day I graduated with a great wage for someone my age, because I went to a Tech school instead of forking over twice as much dough to get a degree in some saturated job market.

Go ahead and red-thumb me. My income doesn't give a ****.
User avatar #31 to #14 - infinitereaper
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Well I'm going for a business degree, majoring in management and marketing. Mostly to get more health insurance for my debilitating health. Sure, I feel stupid, I've always hated school, but I figure it's general enough to plop down for anything. Besides, I actually love business. Not sure what the hell I'm going to do, but I figure it will buy time. Thankfully it's free of charge. Though that reminds me I need to apply for more aid, more money wouldn't hurt.
User avatar #276 to #14 - themightymrplow
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Stupid question, what's a tech school? Like Ivy Tech?
User avatar #464 to #276 - hudge
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(05/21/2014) [-]
Technical school. A school that focuses on a trade, like HVAC or Automotive/Diesel.
User avatar #19 to #14 - ronyx
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(05/20/2014) [-]
That's good for you man and I'm glad you got your **** together.
User avatar #24 to #14 - charagrin
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Sing it brother. I paid my own way through college, making 40k a year, to get my Bachelors in Comp Sci with a minor in Business Management. And then only one year from graduating to become the manager for my entire branch, pulling in 110k last year.

I am not saying that to be rude to anyone or braggy. I am just trying to point out that you can't pick a Associates Of Nosepicking, and expect a job to fall in your lap. Choose a growing field, with opportunities in your area. If you live in a farming community, a Comp Sci degree won't do you much good. Likewise a degree in Agriculture won't do you much good if you live in Chicago.
User avatar #32 to #24 - infinitereaper
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What year was this? 40k a year? What country?
User avatar #37 to #32 - charagrin
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2010, to 2012. I worked for Windham Weaponry in the shop building custom orders. I am a certified smith for Glock, Ruger, Colt, S&W, and soon to be Kimber.
#161 to #37 - thewulfman
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You're a gunsmith. For Glock and Ruger.   
   
Like I needed more reasons to have you on my favorite users list.
You're a gunsmith. For Glock and Ruger.

Like I needed more reasons to have you on my favorite users list.
User avatar #38 to #37 - infinitereaper
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(05/20/2014) [-]
Wow. That's pretty cool actually, but you're a special case you know. You've got some luck.
User avatar #39 to #38 - charagrin
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(05/20/2014) [-]
And that's the problem. Everyone always says "Your lucky", **** that, and **** all of you who think that. It's called hard work. You go to school to learn and gain life skills, not drink and party. I was the only student on campus who had a job during my entire college run. Everyone else either had one and quit or was fired, or never had one at all. I worked 40 hours a week and went to school full time. I DID. I earned every ******* thing I have. No one gave me a free ride, no one gave me money, I took it.

I had 14 computer certifications, 4 construction certifications including a heavy equipment license, and 4 high profile firearm manufacturer certifications BEFORE I went to college. High school with trade vocational, jobcorps, and college.

I don't think in my entire life I have ever been told something as offensive as "you were lucky." That's just what someone who can't or won't achieve says to comfort themselves. 'He didn't work harder than me, he was just lucky."

I know you didn't mean it that way, but that's how it sounds when I hear it. Sorry for the rant.

And before some ******* tries to say I am making up **** to be internet cool, we are anonymous names on a website. There is literally no reason to make **** up when there is no way it can possibly benefit anyone, chances are after this conversation we will never speak again.
#42 to #39 - infinitereaper
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(05/20/2014) [-]
But that's the thing man, plenty of people work hard, and plenty of people try their bests, but that doesn't mean anything in our society. Two people can work just as hard and not get the same results, or any results. Everyone has their own circumstances and own things to deal with. I moved around the world, and met a lot of people. Most people don't have it smooth, and nothing is equal for anyone. Some people were super blessed, some were absolutely ******. I myself probably have a mix of both.

No one is knocking you man, you should be proud, but it's ****** up to put down others, not everyone can net a 40k job, in fact that's what most people go to school for. Not everyone is a weapons master. Most people grind whatever ****** job they can for average wages lower than they were in the 1950s adjusted for inflation.

I've met a lot of problem families and come from a problem family, I never had the time nor chance to do all that extra stuff, or get any training. I was busy dealing with my school, the life of a military brat and my own debilitating health. And I have to tell you. I've seen some ****. I've experienced almost getting stabbed by own best friend. Seen kids drown themselves in drinks, bent families; the works.

So don't be like that dude. Sometimes you just gotta appreciate your blessings.
Because the world ain't easy, the world ain't fair

and it sure as hell ain't equal.
User avatar #52 to #37 - hudge
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That's impressive. Good on ya'.
User avatar #278 to #24 - themightymrplow
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I'm glad you managed to figure things out. Trying to figure out what I want to go to college for, or what college to go to is seriously starting to give me anxiety attacks. I hate it.
#15 to #14 - iscrewbabies
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"My income doesn't give a ****."
I'm sorry, but the cocky nature of that sentence there was just brilliant. Bloody fantastic, mate! This is not sarcasm, by the way. I truly did get a good laugh out of this, and in a good way. Not at your expense or anything.
User avatar #16 to #15 - hudge
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Just saying it how it's come around, man. I could tell people until I'm blue in the face, but you have to go for employment in a field that too few people want to do to find the real money.

Hired-labor camps in northern Canada and Alaska, fleet mechanics for land-trains that run the Australian outback, Oil-platform work, underwater welding, all kinds of dangerous and unpleasant ****. I've seen more people than I can remember taking those kinds of jobs and getting upwards of 6-digit income within a year or two on the job.

I went into automotive. Got ASE Master cert-ed, and then got taken on by Mazda of North America as a certified tech. I'm making bank while people with 4-year degrees are fighting everyone else with the same damn papers for the same damn job.
#17 to #16 - iscrewbabies
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Damn. Either you're full of BS, or you truly have earned to be a tad bit cocky. Being cocky isn't a bad thing when you have earned the right to it. I feel like you're not full of BS here though. But that is a damn good tip though, and I completely agree with everything you said actually. Now that I think about it, most jobs that people study in college, are jobs that most people study. So yea, makes sense that it's difficult to get jobs for people.
#27 to #14 - archaictwo
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Would you happen to have any tips for a graduating high school student on what to look for in a Tech school? Or does it literally not matter at all. I love computers but I'm not one of those kids who grew up programming. I'm just trying to get a nice job thats not a **** salary. I didnt have the grades for any of the 4 year universities and i also fit into the wonderful ********* that is the middle class so i get 0 dollars in financial aid. Just any recommendations on what to look out for so i dont get shafted would be awesome. Thanks even if you don't help!
#349 to #27 - deathninj
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I'm currently working on an automation robotics degree, for me its about 50/50 hands on work to repair broken machines in factories, and writing the codes that run the machines or robots. I just finished my first year and got a summer job as maintenance, my friends who graduate this year wont stop talking about all the job offers they are trying to choose from. Factory jobs are endless, anything involving food or medicine is extremely clean, and anything pharmaceuticals pays insanely well.
User avatar #456 to #27 - curveball
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I just graduated from a two year electrical technician program and it was awesome. Two good numbers to look for when picking a school are graduate satisfaction rate and employer satisfaction rate. I don't think it's that hard to get into one; as long as you have grades in the 70-80 range you'll be fine. Having a university level grade 12 math credit helped me a lot, both on paper and as preparation for the math I did in tech school. One really good thing to look for in a program is co-op opportunities; they're a great way to get solid job experience while in school (the most important thing employers look for after work ethic is work experience; 4 years of work experience are more valuable than any expensive 4 year degree). It's like hudge says: people may laugh at you for going to a tech school, but you'll be getting the last laugh all the way to the bank.
User avatar #51 to #27 - hudge
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You get out exactly how much you put in. Get the grades, make sure you grasp everything you need to about the profession you're after, and take pride in what you do.

Ultimately, make what you want to do the primary goal of your life for the next few years.
#117 - accept
Reply +133 123456789123345869
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Be me.   
>Son of cleaning lady and fabric merchant.   
>Have a 4 years master degree in industrial engineering.   
>Currently working on an additional 2 years masters degree in civil engineering.   
>Rough estimate: school hasn't cost me more than 3500 euro up until now, books included.   
>I'm not on a special grant program. If I were poor it would be even less, to the point where I might get money to study (to pay rent and expenses)   
>Visiting USA and have to explain this travesty.   
>MFW they call our nation as a whole bloodred left side socialist communists.
Be me.
>Son of cleaning lady and fabric merchant.
>Have a 4 years master degree in industrial engineering.
>Currently working on an additional 2 years masters degree in civil engineering.
>Rough estimate: school hasn't cost me more than 3500 euro up until now, books included.
>I'm not on a special grant program. If I were poor it would be even less, to the point where I might get money to study (to pay rent and expenses)
>Visiting USA and have to explain this travesty.
>MFW they call our nation as a whole bloodred left side socialist communists.
#131 to #117 - Orc
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(05/20/2014) [-]
Free education isn't necessarily as efficient.
#233 to #131 - anon id: 6adc33c6
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here in germany it is
#234 to #233 - Orc
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lol
#154 to #131 - anon id: 59dc2162
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good addition to the debate sonny
User avatar #162 to #154 - sketchE
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i believe what hes saying is that shelling out the money to keep every university in the country running regardless of students taking classes and actually passing said classes is a colosol waste of money. while i will admit like this post said schools are increasing tuition by a ridiculous amount for no clear reason that doesnt mean the core idea is wrong. the theory is sound. if you want it pay for it like everything else. the practice however has gone very wrong
#224 to #162 - Orc
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**Orc rolled image** He knew damn well what I meant, and that it is a decent argument. It's just that they can't stand when you point out a flaw, and this *************** is one of those idiots that thinks it's cool to hate his country because he lives in it. It's like the "it's okay to call him a ****** because we're both black" argument. I never even put down anyone in my comment, so that just goes to prove my point.
User avatar #192 to #131 - nigeltheoutlaw
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>implying our current education system is anywhere near efficient
User avatar #190 to #117 - Johnsfer
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Americans say the same thing about our medical system too, well, not all of them of course, but some of them honestly believe paying into an insurance system instead of paying a little bit more taxes is better. When I had an ingrown toenail, I paid for one thing, the antibiotics I had to take just in case it was infected or to protect it.
#193 to #190 - anon id: 5a3ca84f
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wrong, its because we are paying taxes that benefit medicare and hmo recipients that the cost of healthcare has steadily increased. mostly because the government doesnt know what its doing and sorely mismanage those funds.
#191 to #117 - anon id: 5a3ca84f
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did you even read the part about how education used to be affordable before the government stepped in and tried to make it MORE affordable?

how do you know that the way your country manages its finances isnt leading to a collapse of its financial system? The cost of education went down after regan for a short period here in the US, so there was a short lived benefit...but then it spiraled into ****... how do you know your country is heading for the exact same fate?
#223 to #117 - anon id: 4cdf4895
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Seriously. I wish I could just move to the UK sometimes. Between free health care and free education, hell yes. Im sure there are other problems to deal with, but I think they would be worth it.
User avatar #235 to #223 - niimajneb
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UK health care is only free until you're 19 or leave full time education. UK education is only free for the first compulsory 16 (I think it might be 18 now, actually) years you have, but then the financing for university isn't that bad. You only start paying it back when you're earning above £21,000 a year, and it's written off after 30 years.

I may or may not be wrong about some of this, please correct me if I am.
User avatar #359 to #235 - spearpwi
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Actually, it's free past 18 years old if you get means tested to prove you can't afford. I, as a student, can't afford jack **** at the moment so all my healthcare, prescriptions and dental are free.
User avatar #356 to #235 - derpingthederps
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The health care is free, but certain pill prescriptions you have to pay for.
#340 to #235 - spackmonkey
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UK Healthcare is free. That's it. Free. Nothing to pay. Nada.

Except Dental. That ****** gonna cost ya.
#435 to #117 - accept
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Top 80 with this? Realy?

Well then if anyone wants to know: Belgium
We've had a pretty rock solid education system for a while now. Only a few Scandinavian countries make us look bad. But then again: they make just about any education system look bad. (as far as international studies have shown at least. But I'm inclined to believe them).

All in all I like to think we got our **** straight: make higher education available to everyone, but tighten the screw enough that only those worthy pass. The first two years for those trying their hand at a masters degree are notorious slaughtering grounds.
There's a system that'll kick you out if you're not up to standards, even though you have to be both a major **** up and headstrong about continuing being one before it kicks in.

Economically: We pay one of the highest taxes around. No matter what you might hear about how inefficient our system is, at least we have cheap education and cheap health-care. I'm not saying we're fine, because holy **** I would be the first one to push the button and start our government from scratch, but at least we've got these two.

My education:
I started with a four years master degree in industrial engineering ("Ing."), which is at a polytechnic school. Since my family is low income tuition was something around 180 each year. Books were the most expensive at around 400 first year, but that cost came down dramatically after that (200 2nd, 100 3rd, 50 4th)
I've always been one of the better students so I was gently pushed to continue my studies and take the bridge to a university engineering degree ("Ir." called civil engineering here, even though it has NOTHING to do with civil construction work). So here I am first year at university. Since this is my "second" masters degree I lost my "low income family bonus" so the tuition cost went up to about 560. Books also went up, but I have to admit I love adding to my collection of academic books.
#151 - ompalomper
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STRAP IN PEOPLE. IT'S TIME TO DISCUSS THE US EDUCATION SYSTEM AGAIN!!!
STRAP IN PEOPLE. IT'S TIME TO DISCUSS THE US EDUCATION SYSTEM AGAIN!!!
User avatar #274 to #151 - KillinTime
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I lol'd at the house.

Yes I'm a terrible person.
#312 to #151 - theruse
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#4 - danster
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>owned by China
16% is a far cry from owned.
User avatar #5 to #4 - mephiblis
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>2.2 trillion bewcks

Would cause some interesting things if China asked for their moneyz back.
#6 to #5 - mayoroftownsville
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No it wouldn't, because they wouldn't, because they're not retarded. The point of a loan isn't to wait a while and then say "OK now give it all back at once." You sit on it, collecting monthly or yearly payments which increase the longer you wait because of interest. And believe it or not, the U.S. has never defaulted on a loan payment. China is making mucho bucks off of us. They've already made many times their initial investments back, and they will continue to do so for the forseeable future. Even if they did want the money right away, they wouldn't be stupid enough to ask for it, because the United States is their biggest customer. If **** goes down between us, both our economies collapse. It's like monetary mutually assured destruction. If anything, China has catered to the U.S. and backed down numerous times when they didn't have to, because the benefits they get from our partnership are far greater than anything a few tiny islands in the South China Sea have to offer.

tl;dr Chairman Mao and Uncle Sam are buds, and neither wants to hurt the other.
User avatar #40 to #6 - hermaeousmora
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www.politico.com/story/2013/10/debt-limit-government-default-98252.html

Actually, the United States has defaulted on its debt payments twice in recorded history. Once in 1814 when the treasury simply dried up because you were spending it all fighting for Canada and your precious sailors. And once in 1979 because your nation was too busy arguing to remember the damned bills.
#44 to #40 - mayoroftownsville
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That's interesting, though as the article noted, the '79 default was little more than an expensive technical error, not indicative of an inability to pay.
User avatar #45 to #44 - hermaeousmora
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That's true. Honestly, it really doesn't mean much these days. But it's interesting nonetheless.
User avatar #7 to #6 - mephiblis
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You're thinking in the now, think about the future. All it takes is one outburst from either side... Point is, it's a lot of money and that gives China a sort of ace in the sleeve.
#9 to #7 - mayoroftownsville
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No it doesn't. China loses all that money instantly if they start **** with the US. Even if they won the war (which they can't, as I will explain), just by virtue of the fact that it happened, the US would be rendered into a state in which it could never possibly pay back what it owes, and China's economy would suffer in equal measure. China gets nothing out of picking a fight with the US, and neither do we. You don't seem to understand that there is no ill will between our governments over the debt. The Chinese benefit in that they have a regular source of major income, and we benefit because we are able to pay for our federal programs. It is a mutually beneficial business agreement, not a point of contention.

But say one of our countries suddenly finds itself ruled by a maniac who actually sees the situation as an issue. A war starts, and what happens? Well, Indonesia takes on China's role as the manufacturing center for most US corporations. This is something that has been in the works for years. US corporations hate to put all their eggs in one basket, so Indonesia has been equipped with countless factories capable of starting operations at the drop of a dime. China, on the other hand, has no backup customer, and so their economy instantaneously goes into freefall. We're talking nationwide starvation and unemployment. Then, the war begins. The US has the largest fleet of aircraft carriers in the world, and our Air Force is by far the most technologically advanced in the world. Chinese manpower doesn't matter here, because no Chinese soldier will ever set foot on US soil. Our planes will bomb the hell out of their east coast (where everyone lives) and they will have basically no choice but to surrender. You can't beat the US in a naval war.

China knows this all, of course, so even if they had any motivation whatsoever to start **** (they don't), they wouldn't.
User avatar #41 to #9 - meganinja
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This. People on the internet always seem to think that just because the USA is in debt, it means it's collapsing. China won't start anything with us when they could lose such a massive investment, and honestly I think them owning that debt will be one of the greatest assets the USA will have in the future as China continues to grow to superpower size. We have to play nice, or the money goes down the toilet.

Personally (and this is probably too optimistic), I hope that the debt entwines our economies to such a degree that America and China become extremely buddy buddy, and the two superpowers will share a lovely relationship in contrast to how the USA and USSR handled their rivalry.
#157 to #9 - springbok
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How did you become Mayor of Townsville? I didn’t vote for you!
#120 to #9 - toaki
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Indonesia mentioned, swelled with pride
User avatar #124 to #120 - indonesia
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shut up
#59 to #9 - dwarfman
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You I like. Folks spew all this defeatist ******** yet never take a step back and look at the big picture. Really the ONLY thing that gets me is that attitude, as we do not have it that bad. We don't have it that bad because of the safety measures started by FDR, and continued by every president. And for all the crying by righties they still can't name freedoms we've lost (apart from the obvious NSA  Thanks JR. and Barry you bastards ) and the leftiest still cry whenever some black kid scrapes his knee. For all the bitching do about the generation coming up, they're bitter, they've seen the second worst recession of this nation's history, but they're better for it. They will one day change the world, while the baby boomers still cry into their graves.   
   
Also **** China. Disgusting that we still work with such a **** regime. Indonesia has done a better job, even throwing off the nasty stereotypes associated with an Islamic nation. They deserve our business more than the neo-fascist Maoists.
You I like. Folks spew all this defeatist ******** yet never take a step back and look at the big picture. Really the ONLY thing that gets me is that attitude, as we do not have it that bad. We don't have it that bad because of the safety measures started by FDR, and continued by every president. And for all the crying by righties they still can't name freedoms we've lost (apart from the obvious NSA Thanks JR. and Barry you bastards ) and the leftiest still cry whenever some black kid scrapes his knee. For all the bitching do about the generation coming up, they're bitter, they've seen the second worst recession of this nation's history, but they're better for it. They will one day change the world, while the baby boomers still cry into their graves.

Also **** China. Disgusting that we still work with such a **** regime. Indonesia has done a better job, even throwing off the nasty stereotypes associated with an Islamic nation. They deserve our business more than the neo-fascist Maoists.
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wow, no wonder Townsville made you mayor
User avatar #111 to #11 - sursum
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I read this comment and thought, wait a second, did he mention something about Townsville the town I grew up in? Read his comment twice looking for some reference, then I read his name. I dun goofed.
#8 to #5 - danster
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America: Hey, China, thanks man, for getting me back on my feat and supporting me through the crippling debt. In return I want you to have my bird.

China: Thank you, America

America hands China cage

China: Wow, maybe America not so bad guy

China goes home and opens cage

Pic related
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User avatar #153 to #4 - Claymaster
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Saw far cry and there's a six in sixteen, look if you want far cry six so bad then let's just get owned by China
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What people don't realize is that when China is buying up our debt it means they are investing in our future, they want our economy to do well so that we can pay the debt. They know that if our economy doesn't do well then we can't and won't pay them back and they just wasted their money.
User avatar #165 to #4 - metalmind
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Well, it's the largest foreign owner of US debt.
User avatar #22 to #4 - infinitereaper
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You're right about this so I'm not sure why you're getting thumbed down, oh wait, yes I am, you're getting thumbed down by idiots.

Most of the debt the U.S. owes, it owes to itself.
So basically, the U.S. is inflating itself.
Runaway debt.

Financial suicide on a national scale.
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i got a perfect solution.... how about not over paying for things made by the us for the us. like i don't know. instead of paying 1 mil for a tank or toilet seat. pay a reasonable price then give epic tax credits for the difference. so that way both parties in the end have to pay less for the product they are making. oh and how about making tariffs for us ports a thing again. i mean every country charges us x amount for goods. why do we leave our trade free. it would stop outsourcing and make a huge job demand. rather than going to india to make my computer chips with orphan hands. the third one is pull out of iraq faster. as a republican even i am like the **** we doing over there still. we killed the ****** resposible (or at least a figure head as an example.). so pull the **** out and reduce the amount of combat positions available in the military. instead invest more in making the military a more productive thing. like cb's or other construction type of ordeals or other such productive types of work (sciences, medical, engineering, etc etc.). so instead of relying on colleges for education/lack of at over inflated prices and teachers that don't teach **** anymore. to drill instructors who need people to do their job right or it costs lives so **** needs to be taught. this in turn would produce a high skill work class that the US needs to reduce debt over all. more money the people are making the more the government is making and less debt.
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not to mention politicians kinda need a pay cut. for christ sakes a lot of them are making money from another job as it is. a prime example is the bush family. they makes **** tons of money on their own. then they turn around and get paid their presidential saleries for the rest of their lives (tax free i might add. cause this is a great solution to debt.).

one last thing i would like to add. mandatory drug screening for people on welfare. 1 fail = no money until they get a job and are clean for x amounts of months. (with exceptions of prescriptions of course. this would reduce the amount of money dished out to what are essentially free loaders who don't want to do anything to change their lives except get high and uses tax payers money to pay for their high.
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national debt of the U.S. 17 trillion+   
medical costs 2times+ more expensive than other developed countries for same quality care   
tuition, 50 years ago ivy leagues like Princeton cost 2000$ now they cost like 50,000$   
More than double when adjusted for inflation, though I'm sure there is better math on that.    
   
Basically we're America, so we're #1   
No one ***** up freedom, democracy, and the future of our children like we do!
national debt of the U.S. 17 trillion+
medical costs 2times+ more expensive than other developed countries for same quality care
tuition, 50 years ago ivy leagues like Princeton cost 2000$ now they cost like 50,000$
More than double when adjusted for inflation, though I'm sure there is better math on that.

Basically we're America, so we're #1
No one ***** up freedom, democracy, and the future of our children like we do!
User avatar #142 to #28 - citruslord
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All this while the wages of all but the highest percentage have pretty much stagnated.
User avatar #46 to #28 - taxideataxus
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America isn't #1 because we are ****** budgeters. We are #1 because we have the stealth bomber....
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User avatar #47 to #46 - ohhhsnap
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i dont think you got the joke...
User avatar #62 - pandation
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The school is not responsible for your employment. Despite the ridiculous faults with affording tuition, that's not completely their fault either. You need to get over it and stop venting your frustration at an institution that you earned your degree from, they didn't **** you over, you're inability to get employed for one reason or another is. The university did it's job, you do yours.
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i mean, yes, people can SURVIVE on this educational system, but the educational system is a piece of ****. 'Surviving' isn't what you should be doing. even arguing that this is acceptable just seems retarded. it's not just this; look around on the internet, countless, COUNTLESS stories of american students that have their whole lives ruined because of student debt. the economy is really terrible, jobs are rare and a ton of degrees are absolutely ******* useless


and let's not even talk about all the garbage that is education before college
User avatar #133 to #129 - pandation
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This is America, you're not guaranteed success, you just have a good a chance as anyone else
User avatar #132 to #129 - pandation
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Not disagreeing with that. Explain how that is the schools fault. You know why schools tuition has increased over the years? Other than the obvious "inflation" bs, it's because since 1988, more and more students are going to college. Tuition rises so the school can afford to sustain more students. The market is being saturated with college students, that's not the school's fault, it's your responsibility at that point. Blame the market, blame the economy, blame Obama, they all make more sense than blaming the school for being too expensive, that is absolute stupidity. The only reason education is **** even before college is because the education structure is putting tax dollars into the wrong fields and can't figure out how to do it efficiently.
User avatar #64 to #62 - corso
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I'm pretty sure overcharging like that is considered ******* someone over.
User avatar #65 to #64 - pandation
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Inflation, unions, new facilities, cut research funding, etc. There are several reasons a school can raise tuition that are outside their control. It's not so much "overcharging" since they aren't raising it to put more profit into their pockets, it's to maintain or better the standards of the entire institution.
User avatar #66 to #65 - corso
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Except that in pretty much all but community/trade schools, it's just for profit. It's just from basic supply and demand
User avatar #69 to #66 - pandation
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Nearly every university has at least new facilities they are working on or planning to build. Yes, it's for profit but tuition spikes are based off different factors. Professors demand higher pay, and some universities have state funding for research but get cut for one reason or another and they have to compensate through tuition if not donations. There are always cheaper options to higher education whether it is community college or not. Doesn't matter whether you went there or to Harvard if you end up unemployed. If you can't afford a certain school and don't want to make sacrifices, don't blame ya, then don't do it. You're not justified to cry about it especially after you get your degree and can't get employed, that's all on you, not the school. It's not like they robbed you, you saw $45k leave each year and made the decision to pay.
User avatar #70 to #69 - corso
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Yes, but it's not like you have much of a choice. It's like if tampons were 30 bucks each. You'd buy one because you don't have much of a choice, but you're still paying a lot of money for something that should be a lot cheaper.
User avatar #73 to #70 - pandation
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I could buy the $30 tampons of the brand I saw on TV with a 360 degree angle and all that fancy **** or buy a generic tampon for $10. You buy based on what you have. You can put your house up if you think those $30 tampons will help you bring a lot more back in the future but again, even your education is a business and there are risks to take or to avoid. In the end, it's a risk you chose by choosing to attend the expensive school that's $45k a year instead of a community college or a more affordable college that won't leave you ****** over for cash but still with a degree in the end.
User avatar #76 to #70 - pandation
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Also, unlike a tampon, higher education is honestly a privilege, not something you truly "need"
User avatar #77 to #76 - corso
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You don't truly "need" a tampon, either.
User avatar #78 to #77 - pandation
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I mean as far as hygienic needs go, some nonprofit organizations like red cross actually do consider tampons as a "necessity"
User avatar #79 to #78 - corso
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And a very large amount of people consider education a necessity as well.
User avatar #80 to #79 - pandation
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Then so be it. Doesn't change the point of trying to buy the "brand" that you can't afford and then cry about it because you didn't want the generic brand that's more suitable for your price range.
User avatar #81 to #80 - corso
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Normal schooling is expensive too, you know. Thousands of people aren't complaining about how expensive Harvard is, they're talking about the normal thing
#82 to #81 - pandation
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The post, for example, said it's a $45k school that he got a degree from, that's already higher than most private universities. Public colleges, are a fraction of that at only $9k a year. Community colleges are only $2k a year. No, there are very little excuses for an average family. With student loans that you pay back AFTER you graduate in small increments of around $100 a month that help pay for your entire education up front, if you actually were smart with your degree and got a job that you couldn't have gotten without a degree, that's easily doable. I've gone to a community college, I've gone to a school that's currently $50k per year, and now am transferring to a state college. There are single working mothers who can afford to go to community colleges, so no, the average high school senior who just graduated can more than easily afford school.
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But again, if you can't find a job after you graduate and get a degree, that's too ******* bad. You chose a saturated market to major in, you are not a likable person, for whatever reason, YOU yourself cannot get employed even though the school you went to did all it could to give you the tool to succeed. That's not the ******* school's fault.
User avatar #84 to #83 - corso
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You do realize there's more people than jobs, right? Just because there's nothing wrong with you doesn't mean that you're just going to get a job.
User avatar #85 to #84 - pandation
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and how is that the schools fault?
User avatar #87 to #85 - corso
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I never said it was?
User avatar #88 to #87 - pandation
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So then is the school "*******" you over or is the economy? The whole premise of this entire conversation is not being able to afford college, and from the post, it's because the poster is unemployed. How is unemployment the schools fault, how are their tuitions the problem here?
User avatar #89 to #88 - corso
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Loans were introduced to help students that didn't have much money pay for college, and many colleges took advantage of that and rose their prices. It's not rocket science.
User avatar #95 to #89 - pandation
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Either way, it's not like you're going to college ******* blind, not knowing how much it's gonna cost! You do research your senior year, you take campus visits, you figure out what majors they offer, etc. College is ******* expensive, I never said it wasn't. Are colleges less expensive than others? Yep. Are there colleges outside your reasonable price range? Yep. Are there colleges WITHIN your reasonable price range? YEP. Then choose! That's what the whole point in our education system is! The freedom to pick and choose what school you want to go to! There are scholarships and funds to help kids who can't afford private schools but really deserve to based on their intelligence and diligence, it's not completely unfair! I'm not gonna CHOOSE to buy a ferrarri and then when I go into debt, cry about how expensive cars are ******* me over when I could have had a much more reasonable Honda Accord or something.
User avatar #90 to #89 - pandation
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Oh please, how much has college really increased taking away inflation and all the other factors I listed above? How much has tuition really increased JUST because student loans were introduced. Please do share.
User avatar #105 to #90 - corso
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Your link just had a page not found. I googled and found an old New York Times article called "Our Greedy Schools" or something
User avatar #106 to #105 - pandation
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Wow I wonder why my link ended up like that... Sorry about that. Google "college tuition over years" and click the first one beginning with "trends.collegeboard."
User avatar #103 to #90 - corso
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Yes, but you're multiplying TODAY'S college prices, not 1987's. Of course you're going to get an outrageous number, you're multiplying the wrong one. In 1987 tuition was $775 per semester.
User avatar #104 to #103 - pandation
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Source? What kind of college is that? Because I'm using the link I posted below for private, nonprofit school.
User avatar #98 to #90 - corso
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I'm not sure how to break it to you, but 450% doesn't mean you multiply it by 450. You multiply it by 4.5.
User avatar #101 to #98 - pandation
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So specifically, it would be $103,543.50. No ******* college has a tuition that high, I guarantee you.
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my apologies, it's 4am, I'm tired as ****. Either way, let's multiply it by 4.5. No college is still taking nearly a 100k for an annual tuition. Even Harvard is half that.
User avatar #94 to #90 - corso
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I'm guessing you only skimmed the content above, but okay.
Income (the amount people earn from jobs n ****) has increased 87%.
Tuition cost (the amount people pay for learning n ****) has increased 450%.
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Do you accept stats from funnyjunk pictures immediately or do you actually do any research? trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tables/tuition-and-fee-and-room-and-board-charges-over-time-1973-74-through-2013-14-selected-years. Wrong and full of **** even from the basic premise of that stupid ass accusation
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I'm going to a "generic" university and it's still multiple times as expensive as when my mom went there years ago. She only graduated in 2004, so the fact that it is so much more expensive now can only be due to money grubbing.
User avatar #199 to #197 - pandation
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If you wouldn't mind sharing, what is the name of your school? Let's actually look it up
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NAU. Northern Arizona University.

www.collegecalc.org/colleges/arizona/northern-arizona-university/#.U3tmMyj6S8A

cmswork.nau.edu/uploadedFiles/Administrative/FinAid/Forms/Copy%20of%20UGRD_Pledge_2013-2014%20Budget.pdf

2004 cost: $3,530
2014 cost: $8,874

It's even worse when you consider that she had fixed tuition, so was actually paying the 1998 prices (it took her a while to graduate with raising her kids).
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azstarnet.com/news/local/education/arizona-saw-largest-tuition-increase-over-five-years/article_6e966160-bd7e-5cf7-905d-d08847df424f.html
Look, schools are already doing what they can as well. Ya school is expensive, again, I never said it wasn't. But it's NOT the ******* schools' fault.
Rick Myers, chairman of the Arizona Board of Regents, said tuition at Arizona’s public universities is still at the average of its peers in other states because it started from a lower point.
“We can’t continue to keep raising tuition like we have in the past or we are going to make education unaffordable,” he said.
Myers said the board has worked hard to keep tuition as low as possible, adding that grant and scholarship aid at Arizona’s universities is 15 to 30 percent greater than the average of peer institutions.
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www.azcentral.com/story/news/arizona/2014/04/28/arizona-university-fees-rise-students-upset/8359655/

I can find you several other sources that pretty much the same thing just in case you won't accept that one.
" the tuition and fee increases were necessary after losing 50 percent of their per-student state funding during the economic downturn. As academic departments faced budget cuts, more turned to fees to try to make up some of the difference and maintain quality."
Like I've been saying before, blame the economy, not the schools.
User avatar #207 to #205 - nigeltheoutlaw
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I can blame whoever I want, I'm the one paying for it.
User avatar #209 to #207 - pandation
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Money grubbing? No, schools are doing what they can to make education affordable. The economy, the market students enter, and legislature all make that a **** ton more difficult. Haha fine, blame whoever you want, I'll cuss my waiter out at a restaurant for an undercooked meal when the chef is responsible because I'm paying for it, I'll blame whoever I want. How stupid is it that people can't even properly identify who to blame correctly?
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I don't really mean what I just said, but I have zero intention of arguing with you since you get aggressive, judging by your previous comments.
User avatar #212 to #211 - pandation
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When I'm wrong, I apologize after seeing my mistakes "judging by my previous comments". I can be rational and I'm not just raging on mindlessly, I calmly and collectively searched for sources that clearly disproved your accusation of "money grubbing" from your own university. If you can prove me wrong, I have proven that I can apologize and learn from it. No, my "aggressive" comments shouldn't even be a factor when trying to debate something that is purely dependent on statistics and facts.
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Hahahahahahahahaha!
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aaw yiss, Norden!!!
#332 to #168 - skumbaner
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nordic stronk
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#109 - paintplayer
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>mfw I made a deal with the Army devil and they're paying my tuition and giving me a solid job for the next 8 years while all I have to do is not die overseas
>mfw I value financial "independence" over my own life because I'm a product of today's money-grabbing societal brainwashing
>mfw I'm drunk and probably won't care about this tomorrow but I'll put forth whatever "insight" I have now and deal with it in the morning
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>"financial independence"
>living off taxpayer money in peacetime
User avatar #119 to #109 - cumbersome
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As drunk as you might be, it's very well and frankly put. All you have to deal with is your choice of picture
#86 - Steinwolf
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Solution to this is simple - don't get a degree that's easy or popular. Universities don't make their money from engineering students or physicists - they make their money off the hoards if people who want to study the social sciences. (and anything that ends with "- studies")   
   
If you had a degree in something like comp-sci - that piece of paper they hand you at the end of your education is actually worth something to potential employees.   
   
If You are interested in psychology, politics, philosophy etc. - just check the uni's curriculum for the year and study it at home for free. Write essays on those subjects as they would in the uni - then sell them to lazy students who actually enrolled.
Solution to this is simple - don't get a degree that's easy or popular. Universities don't make their money from engineering students or physicists - they make their money off the hoards if people who want to study the social sciences. (and anything that ends with "- studies")

If you had a degree in something like comp-sci - that piece of paper they hand you at the end of your education is actually worth something to potential employees.

If You are interested in psychology, politics, philosophy etc. - just check the uni's curriculum for the year and study it at home for free. Write essays on those subjects as they would in the uni - then sell them to lazy students who actually enrolled.
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Potentially worth something to potential employees. Considering a lot of people are getting laid off from tech based companies, they are now looking for a job. Now, Who is going to get said job? A new college grad with zip for experience or some one that has years in the field under their belt, One you pay for their experience, one you pay for their degree and the slight hope that they can learn and retain information. It's beginning to go from the person that has the skills to do the job, get the job, not someone that has a piece of paper saying they can learn how to do the job.
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Technology, engineering, computer-based, and science based jobs are in demand and have a shortage of graduates to recruit from each year. Not being able to land a job with one of those degrees 90% of the time comes down to not being flexible with where you want to live and work. Rather than sitting around unemployed, do a placement for a few months. Even if they don't pay you jack ****, it's better than unemployment and you now have experience.
User avatar #93 to #91 - Steinwolf
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I meant to say employers*
If you have earned a comp/sci degree that already means you have the skills needed for the job. Otherwise you're probably applying for jobs well above your pay grade.
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Engineers don't make that much money nor do they have very much advancement opportunities once they're hired. i would sense both my parents are engineers (aerospace and civil). Truth is the major doesn't really matter, the person does. If you get a degreein african-american-womens-studies-basket weaving you can still make lots of money and be successful if you have the drive and motivation. Also knowing the right people doesn't hurt
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Engineers don't really make that much money and there isn't really much room for advancement once they're hired. I would know because both my parents are engineers (aerospace and electrical). Truth is the degree doesn't matter, the person does. You can get a degree in african-american-womens-studies-basket weaving and still become wealthy/successful as long as you have the motivation and and can make the right connections.
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Or here's a suggestion don't get some dumb ass meaningless major and major in something practical.
#3 to #1 - anon id: df26e9e3
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Masters degree in computer science and new media.
took 5 years after graduation before I netted a job barely relevant to my degree.
Fist your own asshole anon.
#18 to #3 - tiredofannon
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You done ****** up somehow. I'm an undergrad CS major. I just started a new internship today that basically guarantees me full employment when I graduate. My friends who graduated this semester had companies trying to outbid each other from them (I'm not joking/lying about this; they would literally tell company B that company A offered them 57k a year, company B would then offer 60k a year which company A would match or exceed).

I'm guessing that your undergraduate degree is in something not directly related to computer science and that your focus was on new media, leaving you with little programming knowledge and skills.
#72 to #18 - wirusvk
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very well said, also your username has never been so relevant (CS student here, im in last year didnt even graduate yet and already got like 5 job offers)
#222 to #3 - Dlsqueak
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BS going for an MS in compsci, got an internship during my senior year that turned into a job offer, and have made about 40% more since.

There's a number of factors that lead to jobs:
1) Drive/Motivation/Planning. I needed a job right away, so I applied for every internship out there regardless of if I liked it or not (as long as it paid).
2) Network - Sucks, but it really is who you know, not what you know.
3) Humility - You're probably going to be stuck at the bottom of the rung initially, and you need to learn to deal with it. I was a QA tester for a year...******* HATE QA, but it paid and let me get into the job I wanted, so I dealt with it.
4) Get a relevant degree - Degrees are the most ******** thing in existence. I learned only one thing in college, and that was how to learn. That certainly helps at my job, but it's not exactly practical. I really would have like "This is how your career is going to be" (hell that's how it should have been). However, anon is correct in his statement that you really should get a relevant degree. Don't expect to get a job out of college as an English major, or Fine Arts major (or whatever degree they have out there). Go for pharmacology, nursing, compsci, engineering, etc. These jobs are mandatory in today's existence, guaranteeing you a job in a steady market.
5) Find a good job market - Luckily where I live, the market for Compsci is becoming over saturated with available positions...but I did that research beforehand so that I knew where to go. Goes back to #1 on planning.
6) Probably the most important - Luck. Being at the right place at the right time has really put me where I'm at. In the end it really does come down to luck.

tl;dr I agree with anon (though he could have stated it better). When a college has more liberal arts majors than science/math majors, it's going to be hard to find jobs in that line of business. Start focusing your studies on degrees that are needed.
User avatar #285 to #222 - DJstar
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is computer information systems a relevant degree?
#353 to #285 - Dlsqueak
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Sure. At least from my school's standpoint. It's the marriage of basic compsci and accounting. Any developer can tell you that 60-70% of programs involve some form of money/revenue/etc.

A lot of people I know that went that route work as comptrollers, IT, etc.
#102 to #3 - crankypantsmcgruff
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'New media'

Pshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
#346 to #3 - anon id: 2c8986cb
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wow, you must suck. I literally got the same degree and was employed out of school.
User avatar #336 to #3 - dangler
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>B.S. in CompSci
>Landed decent job within weeks of graduation
=I
#303 to #3 - talked
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I'm surprised that you managed to get a CS degree and not get a job. That's almost impressive... I took Comp Sci in high school, just a bit of web coding, and I had 2 job offers in Gr 11. And that wasn't looking very hard.
User avatar #279 to #3 - failtolawl
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maybe you should have been ******* looking better.
#269 to #3 - Hhman
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One thing you forgot to mention is how you have no internship or work experience, both of which are very important in the computing field and should have been offered by your school if they were at all legitimate about teaching in this field.
#146 to #3 - anon id: 9f6c0ca8
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>implying new media isn't a meaningless major in 9/10 situations
#167 to #1 - anon id: 34e3b90e
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master in urban planning and policy
i work at a grocerystore

**** you anon
User avatar #252 to #1 - madnesschaos
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I'm too lazy so here is a link that might help better educate you.

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User avatar #282 to #1 - bannon
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Have a Masters degree in Mechanical & Manufacturing Engineering and have done diddly squat with it since there's no jobs out there. The big killer is that companies want their potential employees to have experience! I seen a graduate position that asked for 3 years experience a few months. 3 ******* Years!!!

So, it doesn't matter what you have your degree in, the jobs market sucks!
#57 to #1 - bval
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Graduated with a BS in Molecular Biology at a "Public Ivy" University a year ago.
Still can't get any science job.
Currently working behind the counter at a supermarket.
Barely able to bay rent, food, loan interest, bills.
Maybe I'll make some retail-hell OC someday.
>mfw a customer screams at me and calls me a loser for working at a supermarket
User avatar #229 to #57 - turtlemensch
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science majors (I do mean the traditional sciences) are having a hell of a hard time now. I can speak personally as a chemistry undergrad. People with a PhD in chem are barely able to find lab tech jobs. I'll be lucky if my research can get me anywhere at all.