Halsey was nowhere near that research station when it was composed, she was still in UNSC custody, and as of now is in the hands of covenant leader Jul 'Mdama
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okay, that's ******* retarded first of all.
This topic is based off HALO.
THAT is Samuel ******* Rodriguez, from Metal Gear Rising Revengeance, AKA Jetstream Sam, the ******* invincible man who carries around a big red sword and took on Dr. ******* Armstrong. And it's not just that, oh no. You've got a pony pic. That means you're a big boy all grown up.
Anon already informed you of who actually died, but I felt like telling you that one of the first missions in Halo 5 will actually be about taking Dr. Halsey from Covenant custody back to ONI.
i never got some of the plot "holes" in mass effect, how on earth could the council deny the reapers existence after the last one attacked the citadel and killed the last council saving people as fast as possible > saving some ******* retarded council that never listens to you then being like "NAH BRUH THATS NOT GONNA HAPPEN"
i also like how everyone after how many years? just went "wow the genophage was a bad idea" and only if you have wrex as leader is it a remotely okay idea to let them grow their nuts back
also, having legion pepsi himself was ******* stupid, thats not how computers work oadjpeofseokfsæepf ;_;
Yeah the reactions to the genophage cure were stupid, people should defend the genophage alot more especially since there aren't really nonviolent krogan (besides the female ones) in the series. That legion thing is just another drama moment to make sure people don't complain about "an (almost) noone dies ending". Though one could try to explain it by saying that legion overused his own hardware to such an extent that some parts broke or something like that. Don't know how geth are constructed, could imagine that they are able to get rid off restraints that are there to make sure they don't generate too much heat to melt their parts or something like that. That reaper thing was explained through the lack of any evidence besides for the ship (ruins got destroyed) and the council supported the theory that the ship was some sort of geth ship, probably a prototype. What annoyed me is how insignificant your overall progress is in the end. You choose what happens anyways and i think the only difference between a good and a bad army is that a few crewmembers die or something like that (i only did 1 run where i had max nonmultiplayer rating) even though you are trying to unite the whole galaxy. I would prefer if having bad amounts of units means that serious damage happens in some form ( a homeworld gets destroyed for example).
I personally saved the council because its still a dreadnaught, you save more lives in total (10000 vs 8000 i think) and you (and humans in general) should be seen (this is also not well portrayed) more as a species trying to integrate itself in the galactic community rather than trying to get on top of the hierarchy at all costs (especially since the **** udina tries to pull off).
oh yeah speaking of udina
in ******* mass effect 2 you get to choose who gets to be councillor of the humans, between anderson and udina
i thought udina seemed too meh, and would rather see him in the council than anderson despite anderson being like "eehhh idk shepard, i think udina should do it"
then BAM mass effect 3, only through a log entry do you find out that anderson surrendered his position as council member to udina between mass effect 2 and 3
nice "choices have impact" ********
yeah i guess the intention was to allow players to have a "i made the right choice" moment over a choice that is obvious to begin with. I don't mind the idea that anderson would step down after a while but i think they should have added more significance to the choice. Like through having him councilor you get some intel he found during his activities or he has contacts with other species for ME3 and if you let udina do the councillor job anderson has better alliance contacts and you are able to get (very sligthly) more alliance support in ME3. Or they could at least have made a mail for your personal terminal or dialogue choices that offers some insight into what exactly happened that made him step down.
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I chose to save the council, not because I liked their incompetant asses or anything, but to prove humanity can be part of the comunity without necessarily dominating others.
Genophage was a really tough decision, Wrex was a bro but Krogans were still a threat. In the end I chose to trust Wrex, although I'm not one to say otherwise is not an acceptable option.
Also in ME3 I finally told the council to **** off. That felt good.
For the first one; the Council convinced everyone - including themselves - that Sovereign was created by the Geth, who quickly stopped being a known threat between ME1 and ME2. They rationalised - falsely - their fears away. It's perfectly believable and people do it all the time.
Curing the genophage became necessary in order to defeat the Reapers. People didn't just wake up one day magically seeing it as a mistaken tragedy; they saw skyscraper-sized machines laser beaming stuff, and monsters made of liquefied goop that used to be people running around and tearing dudes to bits. They wanted every bit of help they could get at that point, which is again, pretty damn understandable.
For the third one; yeah, pretty much. That bit was dumb.
A theory I ran across was that the Citadel was slowly indoctrinating the Council. Reaper-made tech induces the indoctrination effect. The Citadel is Reaper-made. Thus, it is fair to say that the Citadel, or at the very least the Tower, induces indoctrination. Nothing to the scale of outright brainwashing them, but changing them subtly. Making them more arrogant, more inactive.
1. They outright dismissed the notion of the Reapers being real from the beginning. Not even doubts or queries made about it. If we can assume they are not stupid, they know that the Alliance and its officers are not stupid, and that the humans (Shepard, Anderson and Udina) would not risk humanity's seat on the council over ******** . If they would not risk that and still put it forth, the notion that the Reapers are not ******** must be entertained.
1b. Were they intelligent and unindoctrinated, they would have silenced Shepard when he was speaking before the public, but reopened communication lines over secure channels. If they acknowledged that Shepard wasn't an idiot - like any retard would know if it's oh you know, the guy that was being elected to represent the first of his goddamn species - and that he felt the Council, his soon-to-be bosses, needed to know this and said the fate of the galaxy was at stake then well. He's not an idiot and he says this, perhaps it's worth listening to.
2. They continued to deny it throughout the events of Mass Effect 1 and 2. Continued it. Even Udina denied it once he was in cahoots with them. They very well knew that Nazara wasn't a geth ship, but they believed it anyway.
3. The Genophage. The Quarians' exile from their homeworld. Both of these were massive events. And they just sat back and laughed? Unless you mean to tell me that the Council races are indeed that full of bastards, then that itself is clear evidence of the lesser indoctrination.
4. The Batarians outright denying and defending the statement zealously that the Leviathan wasn't real. Also continuing on their slavery operations despite the Council's sanctions. All whilst having their homeworld near a dead Reaper, and having the Alpha relay near their systems. No race was that universally small-minded with no distribution whatsoever without outside influence.
5. The Reapers said that they controlled the races of the galaxy to develop along the pathlines they had set. Out of all the possible combinations, they always returned to being inactive to the point of ignoring tens of millions of Reapers bearing down on them.
And if the subtler indoctrination affects only the Councillors and nobody else, then the Reapers already had the galaxy's leadership in the palms of their tentacles.
Look at it from completely different perspective.
1.) Extremely valuable piece of ancient hardware gets destroyed
2.) One of the SPECTERs gets killed in the process
3.) Another one, one of the most venerable nonetheless, gets accused of said ****
4.) Humans loose the colony and are ******* furious
And on top of that you have yet more humans coming forth with claims that Geth are once again operating outside of Perseus Veil
In all that **** , I don't find it particularly difficult to accept that they suddenly have so much **** to deal with that they simply refuse to belive that yet another FAR GREATER **** is on the horizon.
As for the other things
Genophage was Council sanctioned solution to Krogan Rebellion, developed by Salarians, implemented by Turians - both of which are Council races. Why would they punish their own, not to mention the fact that they didn't do it out of spite or malice, but rather to end the war without resorting to genocide.
The Quarian Exile is another matter. When Quarians first developed Geth they were just simple VI platforms, but after the addition of that hive mind subroutine, the possibility of them turning into fully formed AI became inevitable. It was at this point the Council told the Quarians to ******* dismantle the bloody things as it was blatant violation of no-AI law. They didn't. Geth gained self-awareness. Both species went into the war. Geth won, Quarians lost. On top of that, Council kicked them out (for violating no-AI development laws AND disregarding the Council's decision) while the Quarians themselves went into exile mainly because they lost all the planets to the Geth.
Batarians are not Council members, thus they couldn't give a **** about the Council's decisions. And ofc they would deny that they know anything about Leviathan. Why wouldn't they. They don't have any allies nor any real advantages, it only makes sence that if Council wants something from them it must be of some value. Until they know the value for themselves they won't reveal that they have it, know about it or anything along those lines.
As for what the Reapers (Sovereign) said the exact quote was: Your civilization is based on the technology of mass relays, our technology. By using it, your society develops along the paths we desire. We impose order on the chaos of organic evolution. You exist because we allow it. And you will end because we demand it."
Which was further comfirmed by Geth themselves that claim that majority of Geth refused Reapers' offer because they know that utilising Reaper tech would "blind" them to alternatives. That's the whole point - presenting organic species with mass effect technology thus making them unlikely to develop alternative which results in Reapers being prepared on any potential technolgy the next cycle of organics might deploy against them.
Also the Citadel is made in such a way to attract organics as a great place for united galactic goverment. It's self sufficient, heavily armored, hidden in nebula, roomy and perfectly suited for almost any organic life. That's why it's such a cunning trap - by also being the main relay for Reapers return, they can effectively kill the united goverments of each cycle in the first strike. That's what made them so effective in harvesting. I seriously doubt that any form of indoctrination had anything to do with it.
Problem with all this is the Reapers themselfs.Mass Effect established very early on the core difference between VI and AI.
Virtual Intelligence (VI) being sophisticated program that appear to be intelligent, but isn't actually self aware, just made with clever programming. They are just complext algorithm following the directives imposed upon them by their creator(s).
Artificial Intelligence (AI) on the other hand is a self-aware computing system capable of learning and independent decision making. Something Reapers never showed in any capacity. They just followed their directive