You're confusing DC with Marvel.
If you consider Avengers or Iron Man 2/3 OR Thor OR Captan America your taste in movies tells people that you're an abomination.
And a retard.
Translation: "It is literally impossible for me to like something once it becomes popular, and I need to let my special snowflake taste be known in order to feel unique."
They have more good movies than Marvel, at the very least. Both are fine just as entertainment. Alien Twilight, for instance, is super cheesy. However if you just want some light action and turn your brain down, Thor is fine.
DC is just appeasing to the huge Batman fanbase by making every movie dark and gritty. Marvel doesn't give a **** . It sticks true to the nature of it's characters.
False. They had the Dark Knight trilogy. The first was good, second was fantastic, third was great but it did have some faults. Rant Inbound.
The problem is they keep trying to go that route once they realized how well that trilogy worked. They thought it was the dark and edgy, when that has been around for decade or two already. They keep trying to make lightning strike the twentieth time. Indoors. With the room filled with rubber. And the lightningrod that brought the lightning to begin with was suddenly replaced with a blue, red, and yellow dildo covered in "symbols meaning 'hope' ".
That and they push superman too damn hard. Not many people actually care about him. Sure there are a few, but they don't realize he's marry sue as **** . The people that get the writers intention, and/or like superman realize that Superman as a character isn't supposed to be a man with trials against a villain. It's supposed to be a God among men that is trying to fit in, as well as trying to figure out if what he is doing is right or wrong, or if he is using enough force to have the best outcome work. That is the entire premise of Injustice story wise. (Beyond having a DC fighting game)
Though the people that see the Mary sueness of him / can't get past the mary sueness are just sick of him. And for most people to see the God among men kinda thing, you have to read a **** ton to get into that. Most people don't want to 'slog' through all of that to finally get the theme around him and appreciate it. So when they push casual readers/the public superman they are turned off, and make the entrance into his character even harder.
Batman though. Batman is relatable/human. He's a human that has to fight the inhuman through pure wit and the f*ck ton of money he has. He tires, he falls, he fights, he wins, he loses, and he gets back up because that's what he does. We can associate with that more. We tire, we fall, we fight, we win, we lose, and most of us get back up.
TL;DR DC ****** themselves over when they made superman a hard to get into character with a theme that's hard to get into. It's even harder when they push it harder than a person trying to get a Tumblr user back into the ocean after they beach. They ****** themselves over even harder thinking 'They'll get it this time!' after pushing superman to the unwilling public.
First was good. Second was brilliant. Third one was average. At least that's how I view it. Too much happened in the third movie on top of all the flaws. It was more Marvel like, though. Light, brainless action. Nothing wrong with that from time to time. Not quite marvel, but you get my drift. At least, that's my two cents
>started a new genre of comics
>considered to be amongst the top 3 most beloved superhero characters there is, alongside batman and spiderman
>widely recognized character.with even his symbol universally known
sure nobody likes superman...
but seriously: ****** writers make ****** superman comics. i have only met one person who actually likes superman because of his superpowers.
if you want to see what makes superman a good character: then try reading something like all star superman.
also mary sue is an insult that can be used on every single fictional character in existence...and superman isnt even that strong as people make him out to be
you shouldnt take death battle seriously. their calcs...suck. and they arent that well loved in just about any of the other "battle communities" specially obd.the thing they mentioned in their latest video..in there. death battle is pretty much synonymous with being called retarded..if not worse
I never watched Death Battle. All I know is Supes is ridiculous depending on the writer. Can hold a black hole in his hand, can survive an entire galaxy blowing up on him(that was superboy prime but from what I gather they're about the same in terms of power), can have unrealistic precision with his heat vision, can fly so damn fast that it makes the flash look like a joke, has moved the Earth, and yet there are instances where Supes have trouble falling back into Earth's atmosphere. Supes ranges from above human to God to the point that it is disgusting. I don't read Supes for his power I read him because I like the stories around him.
nah most of that is just people who dont read comic books flapping their gums.lets set a list.
1; yes superman can hold a black hole in his hand,he has also flown through them. this is however not that much of a feat since i can count about 5 or so other beings from earth alone that can also replicate this feat. and solar system level durability isnt even close to the high end scale of dcs heavy hitters.
2:prime is stronger than current supes. but yeah post crisis version(nerfed version of the infamous silver age..which most superman haters like to tag on) was around galaxy level in durability. should be noted tho. thats his absolute max. and he nearly died from the explosion.
3:heath vision is precise. but then again. this feat can be replicated by atleast 3 other beings on dc earth alone.
4: flash is faster than superman. not by much. but he is faster. and superman is fast too. we are talking about massively faster than light.
5: power sheep effect is often used by ****** writers.
and if you really want to see what superman is all about. i seriously recommend reading superman all star. or atleast take a look at tropes wikias superman - heartwarming moments. both of those fully show just why superman is so loved as he is .
That's exactly how I feel about them. I'd rather watch a live action Marvel movie than animated, and I'd much rather watch an animated DC movie than live action
Two good batman movies (and not the last two) is no reason to expect anything good from the future movies. On the other hand, Marvel has no mediocre movie since Thor 2 and no bad movie since forever. DC may do good comics and animations, but implying that they have any advantage on Marvel in cinema is laughable.
unless you count every punisher movie they have made, every ghostrider movie, the retconned hulk movies, daredevil, blade, and every single fantastic 4 movie ever made
sure, they most of the time made good movies (even if im waiting to the amount of interconnected plotlines to break the backs of the movies, causing them to become jumbled messes, it already started in AoU) but they are far, far from "flawless" movie makers, and i would even go so far as to say that spiderman 2, days of future past, guardians of the galaxy and the first avengers are the only movies they made that can be considered "great"
fantastic 4 movies were made by Fox, and I do agree AoU was a definite downward slide...
But I can at least rest easy knowing DC has Marvel beat when it comes to TV shows.
Gotham, Flash, Arrow, iZombie, Constanine was good but got canceled, Smallville went on for like 10 years, and Lucifer, Preacher and Legends of Tomorrow look like they'll be pretty great. On the fence about Supergirl because TV special effects, but still.
Marvel really only has an Avengers cartoon, Daredevil, which is admittedly really great, Agents of SHIELD and Peggy Carter. Jessica Jones has potential, too.
Movies-wise, people are getting kind of bored with Avengers and DC has the Suicide Squad and Batman V Superman.
DC has the added bonus of not succumbing to radfem/SJW influence. (Seriously. FemThor.)
Are you unaware of the difference between marvel studio movies and marvel comics movies? I'm talking about Marvel studios and the Hulk movie is the "forever" I'm talking about. I never said that they movies are flawless, the **** are you talking about?
well, while i admit they weren't "bad" movies per say (so i will admit that they might not belong on that list), but outside of action they had weak plots, weak acting, weak storytelling, ETC
even if it did have pretty good action so don't i really think a movie can be considered good if everything else was below average, even if it's an action movie
Its not that DC or Marvel themselves know/don't know how to make a good movie. The Dark Knight series is arguably one of the best superhero movie series ever made and that was DC directed by Nolan, whereas Man of Steel was also DC but directed by Snyder and was a total ******* train wreck. It's just that Marvel has more powerful IPs. The way to NOT make a superhero movie is like in Man of Steel and the new Fantastic Four, where the protagonist is barely in the film and they only assume their identity at the very very last scene of the film, hell, even the F4 dont even SAY their name, the words just appear on the screen before the credits, and in Man of Steel, Clarke Kent only started working at the newspaper place (not sure its name) in the final scene of the film explaining what happens next. Lots and lots of the recent Marvel films have been quite garbage, since most of the time these days, the focus of a film/videogame is on the characters and action, instead of the story, films like the last 2 Ironmans, both Thor films, Antman, F4, Man of Steel etc. are really there to say 'this character is here, they have their film so now they exist in our universe' instead of actually portraying the characters own story and interests, since its just them appearing that really matters. That's what i think anyway.
Marvel doesn't even try to make anything but Hollywood action, so DC wins by default. Mindless action is fine, from time to time, though. Quality just lacks. Haven't seen Ant-Man, so things might change.
DC's done well in their past couple movies our beloved Dark Knight trilogy and Hominid of Iron-Carbon Alloy , and I've heard nothing but good things about Arrow and Flash I know they're not movies, but if we're comparing them to Marvel's latest steps then I figured they'd have to be mentioned . Also, in terms of gaming, DC really only has the Arkham games more Batman, I know, I love it and a couple partner games like MK vs DC Marvel doesn't really have any good games except one of the spiderman games and Marvel Vs Capcom which is amazing .
Quite frankly, I'm excited for Batman V Superman, and I think DC's darker twist on comicbook heroes is a nice change in pace from Marvel's lighter approach better more artistic stories that reward fans in a way that you can't always describe via box office sales . Either way, having some strong competition for Marvel movies means that we get better superhero movies altogether and that's something we can all be down for.
>Done well
>With Man of Murder
It was just an objectively bad movie that failed to earn notable profits despite starring the most recognisable superhero in the world, bar none.
>Excited for Batfleck vs Man of Murder
Christopher Nolan could barely pull off the faux-realism that DC is looking for in its movies and he's one of the better directors of our generation. Handing the reigns to a hack like Zack Snyder or David Goyer and all you get is grey filtered edge.
Every time I hear people saying they're excited about BvS I feel bad because normies are the ones who ruined comics. They only ever read the casual bait comics: Hush, The Dark Knight Returns, The Killing Joke, Red Son ect. and then because these are commercially successful and critically acclaimed bad writers attempt to mimic them without actually understanding what made them good. Before you know it DC is pumping out grimdark movies that the normies just lap up (because they're easy to digest without having to delve too deep into the mythos), Scott Snyder is writing Batman and you get abominations like "Death of the Family" where we used to have Grant Morrison's Batman Incorporated.
It's just sad for me, y'know. When you walk out the theatre you're thinking "that was a cool thing, I think I'll see the sequel" but next time I go out wanting to buy a comic all my favourite characters are retconned out of existence and the previously good stories are all wannabe horror stories. You get a fun few hours but I lose a genre.
Joker used to be a good character in the comics, fun, dangerous, and just fun enough to be scary. Nolan comes along and makes an admittedly excellent film about him and suddenly they drop the things that made him good and focus on making him "like the movie" but failing miserably because the movie character only worked in the context of the movie. Now he's the definition of a Villain-Sue.
Superman used to be a character people could look up to. He was the sort of role model I'd want my kids to have. Man of Steel comes out and suddenly he's snapping necks and letting innocent people die.
I'm not a huge comic fan, but speaking on the last part, Injustice has been amazing so far, and I think a lot of serious comic fans really enjoy it. I know it's along the whole "dark and gritty" lines, and it's unfortunate DC's writers have shorthanded their loyal fans by trying to expand their audience to people who aren't going to read the comics, but I think there's still hope for the comics moving forward, even if things do change pace, because loyal fans like you will continue reading the comics and eventually this pandering phase will likely die out.
True, Injustice is a good series, but it is an Elseworlds story. I'm all for creative freedom, the problem is when greed interferes with established story.
Amen. It's okay to sell a product, it's okay to do things to promote selling that product, but there's a difference between selling the product, and selling out the product; when you infringe on the quality, intention, or goal of the product in order to sell it, it's no longer the same product, so people might be understandably pissed when you label it and treat it like the old product.
I especially liked how the last movie basically told comic fans to go eat a bag of **** .
Bane being whatever he was, and the whole robin line at the end.
yes because punisher, wolverine, x-men dofp, and **** were totally circus colored and pretty.
i don't care if you like one over the other. just don't exaggerate to make your point. they both have great movies. and they both have stupid **** in them. why is captain america, hawk eye, and black widow in the avengers? they are useless, even their stories are weak (to me). why is it superman versus batman? superman could throw him into the sun, laser him down, and punch him to death in one hit. stupid **** i've ever heard. he should fight someone else.
Spoiler, dread carefully It's not superman vs batman per say this is the first movie in the JL series, where they first feel each other out - what their ideologies are and so on, like in the animated version. Batman is trying to prove a point that Supes has become their pitbull to control. After this movie, they will start making Justice League etc, they will become teammates.
Ahh and btw, in the comics, and animated series, they are pretty much best of friends - cus both have no life outside of this. And both say, if they ever go nuclear or to the dark side, that one has to neutralize the other one - that's how much respect they have for each other.
Bonus : I read that the first screening got standing ovations, and they approved/signed Batfleck for other movies ( will have to see it to belive it tho )
If you think about it they are the perfect match-up. Supes doesn't kill, Batsie doesn't kill - comics wise anyway. And its the ultimate brawn vs brains match.
The civil war is cool, in the verse it goes huge - hunting down mutants and so on - revealing identities of metahumans or what marvel calls em ''miracles'' - Will be entertaining, can't wait for how they will **** it up with their forced humour and loopdi-loop plotholes.
Also the Captain does all the shot calling and strategy. He takes charge and leads with charisma. He sees the whole battlefield where as the rest of the team do not.
Hulk = Smash everything.
Thor = Doesn't see all aspects of the fight (civilian casulties, did you see the first movie?) and can let his frustration lead his decisions.
Black Widow = Very intelligent and great fighter, not as good in the leading and moral boosting for the team.
Hawkeye = Likes to stay back and see the whole field. Stays on the fringe of the fight and takes out targets. Not leading from the front lines.
Iron Man = Ego central.
don't generalise all comics to that abomination. only tumblr likes this squirrelgirl ******** and it made for them, not the rest of the comic demographic
Okay, how about them jumping on the "gay" band wagon. And rather than have a character find out and explore the idea themselves, instead it's announced from no where by a resident marry sue.
i'll admit overall comics on every side are losing quality due to the fact the old fanbase pirates comics more than new tumblr fans, but litterally all bar femthor have been retconned by the universe dying and the writers have acknowleged that the pandering was only a short term experiment.
the universe dying was litterally a way to retcon recent mistakes
Their 'All new, All different' lineup looks horrid, filled with pandering and SJW **** . Christ, that name itsself is so bad and loud with their pandering, Marvel comics have fully jumped the SJW boat.
Well i like Justice League, i read the comics, Injustice league is awesome also. The Lanters are cool - especially Guy Red Gardner. It's more deep, full of drama and good stories. I like em a lot. Watched most of the animated series. Batman has the best bunch of villains in any comicverse. I don't like Supes, too overpowered and i can't wait for him to die in Injustice league. Also trying to get into Forever Evil or w/e. I want to see Lex become the superhero and how the story progresses.
Keep dreaming bud. Marvel Master Race. Even the Wolverine game was amazing for being so old. I admit not better than any Arkham but way better than that ****** Superman game.
Marvel owns Wolverine. Maybe not the movies but the Hero. Along with every other one, the Marvel Movie Universe sucks dick. Tony Stark made Ultron in the New Avengers, like what? No Hank Pymm definitely developed him.