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Dark Souls: Lord Nito, First of the Dead

 
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Dark Souls: Lord Nito, First of the Dead. So I know some stuff about Dank Souls. And I haven't seen anyone really try to explain the lore or anything at all rea

So I know some stuff about Dank Souls. And I haven't seen anyone really try to explain the lore or anything at all really to you NORMIES, so I figured I'd share some of it with you goyms.


Dark Souls: Lord Nito, First of the Dead. So I know some stuff about Dank Souls. And I haven't seen anyone really try to explain the lore or anything at all rea

As you may or may not be aware, Nito is one of the gods of Lordran, and he was the first to discover one of the 4 (relevant) great souls. We don't know for sure whether or not Nito's Soul was the strongest to begin with and lost power during the Lords' fight with the Dragons, or if he chose poorly, but by the time the Lords have defeated the Dragons, Nito's soul is strong, but weaker than either Gwynn's or The Witch of Izalith's souls.


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Dark Souls: Lord Nito, First of the Dead. So I know some stuff about Dank Souls. And I haven't seen anyone really try to explain the lore or anything at all rea

By the time the Age of Fire is fading, Nito has lost most of his remaining power, so much so that a mere human necromancer is able to twist Nito's own dominion (death and the dead) to his will and overrule Nito.


Dark Souls: Lord Nito, First of the Dead. So I know some stuff about Dank Souls. And I haven't seen anyone really try to explain the lore or anything at all rea

The fact that someone as week as Pinwheel was able to dominate Nito tells us a few things:
First, and most obvious, it shows us just how weak Nito had become.

Second, it tells us that Death and the Dead aren't beholden specifically to Nito, but to something else about him. There's a another hint of this in Undead Rapport which reads "The living are lured by flame, and this relationship is part and parcel to the art of pyromancy. Can be used by either gender." This indicates that rather than being ruled over by Gwynn and the other Lords because of something innate about their own souls, their control over the elemental powers of the world had some effect on the minds of humans around them. I'll talk about this more in a later comp if people are interested at all.

And lastly, it shows to us that whatever Nito has that allows him complete dominion over the Dead, it doesn't let him control the Undead at all. If an Undead necromancer like Pinwheel is able to run roughshod over what is essentially the core of a god's existence, then why wouldn't the god have stopped it?
This in turn points to a couple of really interesting problems (the distinction between the Dead and the Undead, and the exact nature of both Death and Undeath), which I will, again, talk about later if people are interested in these.


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Dark Souls: Lord Nito, First of the Dead. So I know some stuff about Dank Souls. And I haven't seen anyone really try to explain the lore or anything at all rea

After walking over Pinwheel's (tragicish) corpse, we go through areas with significantly stronger Dead. This is probably just a gameplay deal, but it's more than possible that it's also use to signify that Nito still has quite a bit of power over the Dead, and that his minions are far stronger than those that Pinwheel was able to suborn. After a bit of a slog (or a 25 second run/jump/run/jump/run/drop/run) you get to the inner sanctum.
I honestly don't know what to make of the necromancers in front of Nito's room. It's possible that when Pinwheel was killed, the necromancers he brought with him where also killed and now serve Nito (as Dead), or they could have just been trying to perform a ritual to get into Nito's room, or they could have run ahead of Pinwheel to try and get to Nito and been stopped by the Golden Fog, but there's too many possibilities, and not enough clues for me to make an educated assumption or even really a guess.
The one that feels right to me would be that they now served Nito, but that's just sort of my Nito bias talking.

Not a lot to say about Nito's room; The coffin is really interesting, and could have been something Gwynn or Pinwheel, or someone else, used to try and diminish Nito's power, but then there's the issue of getting him into it, and I don't think anyone would really be able to, so it may just be how he likes to chill and unwind.

The fight is a little more interesting from a lore perspective.
The power of the gods (specifically divine, even more specifically the Londonian gods) is the only way to force the Skeletons raised by Nito to stay inanimate after being "killed", which suggests even more strongly the antagonistic relationship between Nito and the other Deities.
Even more interesting, however, is that Nito, while he does substantial damage from Divine (because there is no resistance grouping for it), has very low Fire resistance, and almost as low Lightning defense. The low Lightning defense once again suggests a rocky relationship between Nito and Gwynn, and the low Fire defense points to bad blood between Nito and Flann. (This is complete speculation, it just makes sense from what I can tell, and it has interesting implications for the narrative. We can tlak about this more later if people are interestedâ„¢.)


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Dark Souls: Lord Nito, First of the Dead. So I know some stuff about Dank Souls. And I haven't seen anyone really try to explain the lore or anything at all rea

There's loads more to talk about, even regarding Nito, but I figure that's enough for now, and I hope you nerds enjoyed it if you didn't know anything about Nito before now.
Sources:
Dark Souls wiki (wikia) for item descriptions
The game (duh)
and the old /dsg/ google doc for some basic fact checking.

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#14 - mcburd (04/01/2015) [+] (2 replies)
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Lovely
User avatar #1 - thesunpraiser (04/01/2015) [+] (2 replies)
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I approve.
#11 - boomitsassy (04/01/2015) [+] (9 replies)
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I've heard lots of different theories about Ravelord nito but not these, it's interesting to think about how much power pinwheel took considering he/she/he was the weakest boss in the game.
I've heard lots of different theories about Ravelord nito but not these, it's interesting to think about how much power pinwheel took considering he/she/he was the weakest boss in the game.
User avatar #66 - lazorgator (04/02/2015) [-]
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If you ever think your life is hard just know.


I tried to show off on stream to 70~ people and died to pinwheel.


That is all.
User avatar #78 - oplu [OP](05/18/2015) [-]
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It's habbening. In case anyone still cares... Sorry I took so long.
#28 - Wasad (04/01/2015) [-]
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#40 - pwnagraphy (04/01/2015) [-]
"or they could have just been trying to perform a ritual to get into Nito's room"


You're telling me the Chosen Undead is the only one who knows the mystical Art of Rolling Through Breakable Objects?
#43 to #40 - oplu [OP](04/01/2015) [-]
Duh? Do you ever see any other characters roll through breakable objects?
#45 to #43 - pwnagraphy (04/01/2015) [-]
I mean Lautrec did it   
   
			****		 so did Oscar   
And Solaire   
And the Fire Keeper lady in Anal Rodeo   
And everyone who's ever invaded me
I mean Lautrec did it

**** so did Oscar
And Solaire
And the Fire Keeper lady in Anal Rodeo
And everyone who's ever invaded me
#51 to #45 - oplu [OP](04/01/2015) [-]
I Don't think you're telling the truth. You should tell the truth more.
I Don't think you're telling the truth. You should tell the truth more.
#53 to #51 - pwnagraphy (04/01/2015) [-]
Explain yourself or be forever known as "The guy who actually used the Way of White"
#69 to #53 - oplu [OP](04/02/2015) [-]
Explain what. The "maybe a ritual" thing, or the you not telling the truth thing?
#75 to #69 - pwnagraphy (04/02/2015) [-]
The me being a liar thing

The other Pinwheels are real Pinwheels failed attempts at bringing back his family, since they came out just like him. He basically said " **** it" and gave them to Nito since they're dead. So they weren't doing a ritual, they were just hanging out with the babby skeltals smoking spliffs and spooking passerbys
#76 to #75 - oplu [OP](04/02/2015) [-]
I was just harassing you. I think it's probable that they're pinwheel's attempts to split himself, but the only proof we have of that is his using the split ability. It also makes more sense that they're trying to get into Nito's room, rather than just chillin', if they are clones of Pinwheel.
User avatar #3 - sweetbutteryjesus (04/01/2015) [-]
Okay, who's Flan?
#6 to #3 - oplu [OP](04/01/2015) [-]
He's the god of fire, and we know that he eventually married Gwynever, but other than the in the item description of the Ring of the Sun Princess there's practically no mention of him in the game. Which is really interesting, because in a game where fire is SO important, the fire god is SO absent, it's almost like a conspiracy...
#73 to #6 - anon (04/02/2015) [-]
The age of fire WAS coming to an end after all...
User avatar #7 to #6 - sweetbutteryjesus (04/01/2015) [-]
Maybe From didn't want people to get confused with WoI and Flan as two powerful deities?
#10 to #7 - oplu [OP](04/01/2015) [-]
It's possible. I think (leaving the game world alert) that the budget for the game, and the production deadline may have played some part in Flann's absolute exclusion. I'm not even sure the game would be better with him in it, it's just interesting that the god of fire was left out.

On the other hand, it may have been intentional, to represent the first literally leaving Lordran. [spoiler] Not only does the god of fire leave, but the first flame is dying. The light literally leaves the world if you don't give yourself to the fire to keep it going. [/spoiler]
User avatar #17 to #10 - oplu [OP](04/01/2015) [-]
Whoa, really ****** that spoiler text up.
*represent the fire literally leaving
#12 to #10 - sweetbutteryjesus (04/01/2015) [-]
Good theory
Good theory
#36 - lordsepulchure ONLINE (04/01/2015) [-]
The main reason why Dark souls don't interest me that much, is exactly this. It doesn't look like it got much story or lore at all.

Clearly it's just because it's hard to dig up.
User avatar #62 to #36 - captainfuckitall (04/02/2015) [-]
I think they made it that way intentionally. There is no true 'lore' or 'story' to the game where it guides you through what happened, you have to pick it up through bits and pieces of fights, dialogue, item descriptions, rooms, and even items themselves. I think they did it this way so those who just wanted a hack and slash could have it, while those who wanted something more 'substantial' and massive could have their fill too.
#37 to #36 - oplu [OP](04/01/2015) [-]
That's part of the enjoyment, at least for me.
Right when it came out, **** was an awesome mystery, and the whole community was working on try8ing to piece **** together. I enjoyed that, but I really enjoyed the lore even without that, and it seems like a lot of people just liked being part of community without really putting any work in to try and develop our understanding of the lore.
Sounds elitist as **** , but it's pretty much how it went. Not that there's anything wrong with lurking, or not contributing to the push for information.
User avatar #38 to #37 - lordsepulchure ONLINE (04/01/2015) [-]
My little brother is a Dark Souls player, I've picked up a bit from him, and also a friend of mine who first showed me Dark Souls. So there is that.
User avatar #19 - psychicapparatus (04/01/2015) [-]
I really like Dark Souls lore, but it can be hard to dig up much!
Keep it up, I love it!
#27 to #19 - oplu [OP](04/01/2015) [-]
As you wish.
#56 - danksouls ONLINE (04/01/2015) [-]
i don't have anything to elaborate on i just happen to believe this is relevant to my name.also **** yeah souls games.
#23 - pillows (04/01/2015) [-]
Good luck with your essay   
I'd love to hear more about dark soups lore
Good luck with your essay
I'd love to hear more about dark soups lore
#24 to #23 - oplu [OP](04/01/2015) [-]
Danke danke. I'll ignore the spongebob comparison for now. I'll get you later my pretty....
Danke danke. I'll ignore the spongebob comparison for now. I'll get you later my pretty....
User avatar #63 - captainfuckitall (04/02/2015) [-]
Something that always confused me: Is Nito actually a good guy? Like, does he have a voice and thoughts of his own?

As far as I understand, the Dragons were stereotypically 'evil', and if he was one of the ones fighting them, doesn't that make him a good guy, especially considering he was trusted enough with such great power by other gods, despite (perhaps) bad blood between them?
User avatar #70 to #63 - magictheg (04/02/2015) [-]
Dragons weren't evil, they just were. They are described as Gray, as they existed before light and dark, and as far as we know, the Lords just attacked them for no reason other than the fact they wanted dominion over the world.
The Lords really only interacted during the War, after that they just did their own thing, except for when Gwynn asked the Witch of Izalith to recreate the first flame. It is also stated that all three Lords had immense power, a war between two lords would have been on the scale of the Lords vs. Dragons, especially if it had been Gwynn Vs. Nito, seeing as both of them had armys at their disposal(Gwynn's Knights, and Nito controls the dead) So I don't think trust really has anything to do with the Lords maintaining their Souls.
User avatar #55 - camerel (04/01/2015) [-]
I guess i should play this game...
User avatar #54 - alexanderburns ONLINE (04/01/2015) [-]
I guess this content was pretty
coolio
#48 - deathsdoctor (04/01/2015) [-]
More please!
#46 - helterskeletor (04/01/2015) [-]
First of the FUNdead
User avatar #4 - cancerlobster (04/01/2015) [-]
That's some good **** fam. If you're inspired to do more could you elaborate on the differences between Death and Undeath? More 'bout Nito would be cool too. Haven't really played through Dark Souls yet so this is new to me... Got busy with XCOM an' other games
#8 to #4 - oplu [OP](04/01/2015) [-]
I plan to, probably not tonight though, I have a Japanese essay that's due in 12 hours, and instead of reading through research for that, and writing it, I did some memory jogging research for this and wrote this.

I think it would be sweet to get more people back into Dark Souls again, especially since DS2 is such a bust, and Bloodborne doesn't look all that much better as well as being on the piss poor.
User avatar #9 to #8 - cancerlobster (04/01/2015) [-]
I thought BloodBorne looked fun af but I'll concede That's perfectly fine, no mean to rush you.
#13 to #9 - oplu [OP](04/01/2015) [-]
I think it looks fun too, and I'll admit that I'm trying to convince myself it's bad so I don't feel bad about not being able to play it, and if it came out on PC I'd ******* buy that **** in a heartbeat and **** my essay right in the ear. But from that I've seen (the entire game) it looks like they made a lot of the same confusing design decisions as were made in DS2, and from what I can glean, the story makes about as much sense as DS2's as well. It's a tough one, but again, I'd buy that **** . [spoiler] However, that's sort of the problem isn't it? Shouldn't a souls game be so good that you can't even think "Hey, I don't really know if I'd buy that **** " for even a second? That's just how I feel :p [/spoiler] Didn't think you were, just wanted to let people know :3
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