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> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
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#1 - teranin
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#10 - theluppijackal
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Insert fedora joke here, but everyone else has me covered, so I'll taker a different one.

Here's one for you: long before the creation of stars, the universe DID have light because matter and antimatter were annihilating each other.
Hows that **** grab you?
User avatar #16 to #10 - gayboard
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Pretty whack dawg.
#17 to #10 - shrolen
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K, and?
User avatar #18 to #17 - theluppijackal
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So one of those is pretty stupid since it actually happened
User avatar #20 to #18 - ihatem
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You realize it's literally just light, there's nothing but just light, not electromagnetic radiation, there's no substance to give off the light.
User avatar #21 to #20 - theluppijackal
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Isn't that what I just said?
My point wasn't even the specifics, it was just the fact that one of those things said, actually occurred.

Maybe I'm not quite understanding what you're saying. Iunno.
User avatar #22 to #21 - ihatem
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It didn't occur, because the light from matter/antimatter can't happen if there is no physical_ anything_ yet, it's the philosophical concept of light, which disagrees with the physics explanation of light. There is nothing physical yet. Zilch. Zip. No particles to collide or charge.
#36 to #22 - bobbysilk
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Light is just proton flying all over the place. We can't detect this light until it enters our eyes (or if some kind of sensor then through it's lens). I'm assuming what theluppijackal was saying is that the matter and antimatter annihilate each other, they producing these photons, thus light. The "light" on the 4th day is really just sun/star light.
If these said facts are true, then it would be possible via science for their to be light before the stars were supposably made.
User avatar #37 to #36 - ihatem
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I swear, are you even reading what I'm saying? There wasn't any matter at all yet. I emphasized it thrice clearly. The Genesis authors saw light in the philosophical concept, but in reality it requires physical mediums, but on the first day there was nothing physical.
User avatar #42 to #37 - Fgner
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Photons travel in perfect vacuums. In Day 1 it says he creates the universe - both light and dark. The universe exists therefore photons can travel. Nowhere in the creation story does it say specifically "God created the fabric of the universe", but it's kind of implied when he starts making things at all.

EDIT: And reading again - I think you mean "there's nothing to give off light". theluppijackal is trying to use science to back up the creation story. If we buy into Day 1 being the big bang (his premise) then we have to assume that the resulting chaos (chemical and nuclear reactions of ungodly proportion) is something God produced. Because this would cause the production of photons and provide the universe for them to travel through, light would be made. I point out the flaws I see in his argument above, but your argument is a null one.
#43 to #42 - theluppijackal
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I'm not necessarily using science to back up genesis, I just have a distaste for militant atheist [the same distaste I have for militant theists] and felt like sticking it to the guy who made this comp by pointing out one of those things happened. At least in a way.
Pic sort of related.
#46 to #43 - Fgner
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Well your cause is righteous either way - I'm just hear to provide facts and keep score.
User avatar #47 to #46 - theluppijackal
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thanks
User avatar #60 to #42 - ihatem
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It speaks in philosophical concepts. Actually the closest to "the fabric of space" would be the firmament. That was after light. The concepts, by context, are still in a silly order.
User avatar #63 to #60 - Fgner
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Ugh. The first ******* verse man. The first ******* verse. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth". It's not "philosophical concepts", the second verse talks about how the earth was empty and dark and only water and such. You know what the light was? It was light over Earth. And the light was separated from darkness to make day and night. God made heaven and Earth BEFORE ANY OF THE DAYS. The days began because the first day OF EARTH happened when the light and darkness were separated and the cycles began.

www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1

At least be competent of the topic if you start and argument, you didn't even read the first part of the damn book in question. Even I know this stuff and I despise this sect of religions.

And yes - it's quite silly. Dark and night were made before the sun. Then the moon is considered a light akin to the sun. And the purpose of these weren't to make all the light, just to help us differentiate seasons and stuff. Oh and let's not forget plants came before the sun. And the Earth was covered in water at first (it was lava actually - at least the state of matter is right). But saying stuff like that starts bad arguments.
User avatar #64 to #63 - ihatem
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Do you really just thumb down in an A B conversation, that just looks silly
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#38 to #10 - Fgner
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Now we're in a nice festival of technicalities!

Our first topic is the product of electron-positron and proton-antiproton annihilation. In the former, we get gamma ray photons; In the latter, neutral and charged pions. Now the neutral pions decay their half life within about 84 attoseconds and result in two gamma ray photons or a gamma ray photon and an electron-positron pair; a ratio of .98798 : .01198. The charged pions decay at a bout 26 nanosecond half lives and split into muons and that's all irrelevant.

Now gamma photons sound like light - but... mmeeehhh. They aren't visible. This is where technicalities come in. Is it light if it's outside human spectrum? How about the spectrum of any known living creature? Are any photons light then? Well then radio waves and microwaves are light too! As well as the almost/truly infinite spectrum of light not within our .4 micron visibility range. But my boundaries are 1mm to 1 nm wavelengths for "light" (the lowest infrared to the highest ultraviolet frequencies). So no - no light is produced.

Finally - if you wanted to make a point about light being made at the beginning of the universe, much better and more accurate examples exist. For instance chemical reactions between matter OR antimatter still existed. Manganese still ignited for instance. And the sun was created so recently in the universe's lifetime that you could assume virtually every star in the sky was made before it (virtually because I don't want to write infinite trailing 9s). All them stars and reactions definitely made light within human visibility spectrums.
#39 to #38 - Fgner
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Dammit I also forgot in my second paragraph - Can there even be "light" if nothing is around to perceive it. Similar to sound - if a tree falls but nothing hears it, is it sound or just vibrations?

My answer?
User avatar #41 to #39 - theluppijackal
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uh
Yes
Dude, if a tree falls in a forest, it still makes a a damn sound
And besides, technicalities are the best kind of correct!!
Technically Correct - Futurama
#44 to #41 - Fgner
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Most debates end up 50/50 on the tree question. It's just a subjective preference of the difference between what something is and how it appears to be. While the tree will produce sound waves - "the variation of pressure that propogates through matter as a wave" [wikipedia] will it produce sound - the biological interpretation of the previously defined model? But the former has a huge range of sounds not included in the set of the latter - meaning the two are not equal and now technicalities change the answer.

So I say no, the tree produces sound waves as defined above - but not sound as defined by biology.
#45 to #44 - theluppijackal
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Honestly I just got done playing TF2 for the first time for 2 hours and my brain is video game mush
I'll just respect your opinion
#48 to #45 - Fgner
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I don't like TF2 to be honest. Please don't feed my unborn children to jackals. **** that's a cool jetpack.
#49 to #48 - theluppijackal
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Why would I hate you if I just played it for the first time   
It was kinda fun. but I haven't vidya'd properly in so long I'm not really going to get all 'grrrr' if you don't like a certaing game.   
 except spyro 1-3. You can just go jump into a fire if you don't like those
Why would I hate you if I just played it for the first time
It was kinda fun. but I haven't vidya'd properly in so long I'm not really going to get all 'grrrr' if you don't like a certaing game.
except spyro 1-3. You can just go jump into a fire if you don't like those
#50 to #49 - Fgner
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That was for the rest of these lovely Funnyjunkers! please call for help - they have a gun to my head

I ******* loved Spyro. If you didn't think that was the tightest **** you can just get out.
#9 - lulzdealer
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that'll show em!
#13 to #9 - anon id: ab7d818e
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>I am intellectually superior

The second somebody says or implies that, they're basically proving how dumb they truly are.
User avatar #31 to #13 - memberforcontent
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Socrates was also a proponent of the ''Theory of Forms''...which really holds no weight in this case because, although his scientific knowledge was limited of course, Socrates was pretty ******* brilliant. Also got drunk and frisky with young men. The ancient Greeks are pretty interesting people.
User avatar #28 to #9 - mrfumbles
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had to zoom in to see the chin
#6 - dephira
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<600 AD
<Invention of video cameras
User avatar #12 to #6 - tittylovin
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<^>Backwards le may may arrows

#5 - jakatackka
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Most of these are pretty ******.
User avatar #2 - dalokan
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Oh lord, it's raining straw men!
User avatar #15 to #2 - cubicalpayload
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'Cause the gender ratio is one to ten!
Bo Burnham's Rant. Google that **** mofo.
User avatar #51 to #15 - frutus
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Debrah Messing's fingers in a holy place
Hail Mary full of Grace
I love Bo Burnham
#35 - allinallout **User deleted account**
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fun fact: Judas went to hell because he lived in sorrow after Jesus's death, and eventually killed himself, not because he betrayed Jesus.
User avatar #19 - buttholee
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But you're missing the whole point.

I could debate every point, but I actually should be studying for exams.

Actually, it's a religion exam

I go to a catholic school, and religion is a required course
User avatar #24 to #19 - robinwilliamson
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Though ironically you're missing the point, I don't think you can debate the first one, the nipples, or the Day 1 vs Day 4
User avatar #7 - umaya
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That nipple one is a pretty solid argument.
#4 - anon id: 14f81b11
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*Tipping intensifies*
#8 to #4 - EnergizierAnon
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Comment Picture
User avatar #52 to #4 - frutus
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How about coming up with an argument? Instead of posting this cancer that applies to 0,00001% of atheists.
#65 to #52 - anon id: 277f6027
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>0.00001%
User avatar #66 to #65 - frutus
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Less perhaps.
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