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for everyone who's getting 9
6/2(3) is not 3(3)
coefficients are multiplied out first
if youre doing PEMDAS its part of parentheses not multiplication
think of it as 6 over 2(3)
so 6/6 = 1
6/2(3) is not 3(3)
coefficients are multiplied out first
if youre doing PEMDAS its part of parentheses not multiplication
think of it as 6 over 2(3)
so 6/6 = 1
6 / 2 x (1 + 2) =? // Original - complete parentheses 1+2 to get 3 in equasion
6 / 2 x 3 = ? // Simplified - simpler equasion. pemdas definition tells to go from left to right
3 x 3 = 9
www.mathsisfun.com/operation-order-pemdas.html
www.purplemath.com/modules/orderops.htm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_operations
etc
6 / 2 x 3 = ? // Simplified - simpler equasion. pemdas definition tells to go from left to right
3 x 3 = 9
www.mathsisfun.com/operation-order-pemdas.html
www.purplemath.com/modules/orderops.htm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_operations
etc
honestly i cant be asked to argue anymore cos we've obviously been taught different things
its just the fact that nobody can standardize it over different countries
plus you usually dont get division signs in algebra anyways
you just get fractions
theres never really any confirmation
its just the fact that nobody can standardize it over different countries
plus you usually dont get division signs in algebra anyways
you just get fractions
theres never really any confirmation
>>#186, its 6:2x3
multiplication and division are equal, so we have to do it from left to right
6:2x3=?
3x3=9
multiplication and division are equal, so we have to do it from left to right
6:2x3=?
3x3=9
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andra ONLINE (12/02/2015) [-]
honestly i wanna say thats wrong but im still just surprised a massive website like that wouldnt program their calculator correctly
even google does it wrong
it looks like the online calculators just dont do terms correctly
6 is one term and 2(1+2) is another
heres an actual calculator with the same thing
excuse the ****** quality
even google does it wrong
it looks like the online calculators just dont do terms correctly
6 is one term and 2(1+2) is another
heres an actual calculator with the same thing
excuse the ****** quality
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anon (12/02/2015) [-]
I have a like "super computer" calculator with colors and all that, it cost me 200$.
It gives me the answer of 9.
(Which is incorrect)
As far as I know every calculator should give the wrong answer of 9.
Yours is magical like I can't explain why yours gives the right answer..
It gives me the answer of 9.
(Which is incorrect)
As far as I know every calculator should give the wrong answer of 9.
Yours is magical like I can't explain why yours gives the right answer..
First problem: no multiplikation symbol
a(b+c) = a*(b+c)
=> a : b(c+d) = a : b * (c+d) != a : (b * (c+d)
second problem: division
a : b * c = (a:b)*c != a : (b*c) = a : b : c
a - b + c = (a-b)+c != a - (b+c) = a - b - c
this makes
6 : 2(1+2) = 6 : 2 * 3 = (6:2) * 3 = 3 * 3 = 9
Unfortunately I'm too lazy to show the higher math behind it (easy in german, hard in non native language) but if someone is interested just search for "Multiplicative Inverse Axiom"
a(b+c) = a*(b+c)
=> a : b(c+d) = a : b * (c+d) != a : (b * (c+d)
second problem: division
a : b * c = (a:b)*c != a : (b*c) = a : b : c
a - b + c = (a-b)+c != a - (b+c) = a - b - c
this makes
6 : 2(1+2) = 6 : 2 * 3 = (6:2) * 3 = 3 * 3 = 9
Unfortunately I'm too lazy to show the higher math behind it (easy in german, hard in non native language) but if someone is interested just search for "Multiplicative Inverse Axiom"
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andra ONLINE (12/02/2015) [-]
heres my reasoning
you treat the parentheses as a variable before you know the result of them
because coefficients work the same way for both
6/2x =/= 3x
its 3x^-1
so you wouldnt get 9
if you put x back in with 3x^-1 then that's 3/3 = 1
the order of operations means you work out parentheses first and coefficients are the same term as the parentheses
so again
you multiply first
you treat the parentheses as a variable before you know the result of them
because coefficients work the same way for both
6/2x =/= 3x
its 3x^-1
so you wouldnt get 9
if you put x back in with 3x^-1 then that's 3/3 = 1
the order of operations means you work out parentheses first and coefficients are the same term as the parentheses
so again
you multiply first
Please don't ignore that a : b(c+d) = a : b * (c+d) != a : (b * (c+d).
I took another example with 8 : 2 * 2 = 8 to show this. Using your argumentation we would have 8 / (2 * 2) = 2 which is wrong. There is something called left associative operation which is the standard way of interpretation if not stated otherwise. The problem here is that the way you used might not be wrong in terms of mathematical theorems but it is in mathematical associative axioms.
I took another example with 8 : 2 * 2 = 8 to show this. Using your argumentation we would have 8 / (2 * 2) = 2 which is wrong. There is something called left associative operation which is the standard way of interpretation if not stated otherwise. The problem here is that the way you used might not be wrong in terms of mathematical theorems but it is in mathematical associative axioms.
b(c+d) =/= b * (c+d)
b(c+d) == (b* (c+d))
And again, this isn't stated in the original term. It states:
6 : 2(1+2)=?
a : b(c+d) = a : b * (c+d) = ?
a : b * e = ?
This is what you have to do using the left associative operation - which you have to do unless stated otherwise (using brakets).
Yours would have been stated as
6 : (2(1+2))=?
b(c+d) == (b* (c+d))
And again, this isn't stated in the original term. It states:
6 : 2(1+2)=?
a : b(c+d) = a : b * (c+d) = ?
a : b * e = ?
This is what you have to do using the left associative operation - which you have to do unless stated otherwise (using brakets).
Yours would have been stated as
6 : (2(1+2))=?
So there is another operator for you besides +,-,* and : which gives a different meaning than *? Because I only know these four. Don't misinterpret this as beeing cocky or anything. I'm really enjoying this conversation as your arguments are strong and clearly understandable while beeing based on math.
The thing is, that your operator states that a*(b+c) != a(b+c)
The thing is, that your operator states that a*(b+c) != a(b+c)
And the mathematical conclusion:
The Multiplicative Inverse Axiom states that the product of a real number and its multiplicative inverse is 1. Every real number has a unique multiplicative inverse. The reciprocal of a nonzero number is the multiplicative inverse of that number. Reciprocal of x is 1/x. x * 1/x = 1. x * x´ = 1 for x´ = 1/x
Typical notations for x´ are x^-1 or 1/x. The division is defined as multiplication with the inverse of the divisor. So a : b * c = a * b^-1 * c != a * b^-1 * c^-1 = a : b : c = a : (b:c).
And for us 6 : 2 * (1 + 2) = 6 : 2 * 3 = 6 * 2^-1 * 3= 6 * 1/2 * 3 = 9
The Multiplicative Inverse Axiom states that the product of a real number and its multiplicative inverse is 1. Every real number has a unique multiplicative inverse. The reciprocal of a nonzero number is the multiplicative inverse of that number. Reciprocal of x is 1/x. x * 1/x = 1. x * x´ = 1 for x´ = 1/x
Typical notations for x´ are x^-1 or 1/x. The division is defined as multiplication with the inverse of the divisor. So a : b * c = a * b^-1 * c != a * b^-1 * c^-1 = a : b : c = a : (b:c).
And for us 6 : 2 * (1 + 2) = 6 : 2 * 3 = 6 * 2^-1 * 3= 6 * 1/2 * 3 = 9