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operating under a Constitution."
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Rep, Sheila Jackson Lee,
We need to extend the Obamacare
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User avatar #1 - malachitecobra (12/03/2015) [-]
Congress does jack **** . I'm sorry, but we do NOT need to be paying our politicians this much money. For the little work that they do, it's almost mind-boggling that they can make that much.
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User avatar #64 to #1 - enlightednatzie (12/03/2015) [-]
Preach it *****
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User avatar #80 to #64 - deathstare (12/03/2015) [-]
Is this also you?
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User avatar #78 to #1 - austinrocket (12/03/2015) [-]
We should pay them hourly
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User avatar #37 to #1 - ihateeverybodytoo (12/03/2015) [-]
public service was meant to be like a second job that they did for a while and then went back to their normal job, not a full blown career.
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User avatar #47 to #37 - yunoknow (12/03/2015) [-]
Yeah, meant to be. But how many politicians actually go back to their 'regular' jobs? Disregarding the individual, every democratic country even has families with politics trickling down their bloodlines, which really is no different from nobility.
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User avatar #34 to #1 - deaminzaints ONLINE (12/03/2015) [-]
I may not know much about the american congress since im not from USA but i thought that they actually did work, they just keep ******* with each other so much that the work never gets any results?
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User avatar #48 to #34 - OsamaBinLadenz (12/03/2015) [-]
Oh yeah. Oh yeah, they definitely do **** with one another. Look up filibustering if you haven't already heard of it. Some of the things people do to keep a filibuster going are just outrageous and I don't know how the **** this mess of a government hasn't made some sort of restriction on the BS like reading recipes or books such as Harry Potter to keep one going.
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User avatar #58 to #34 - lean ONLINE (12/03/2015) [-]
Congress "worked" a total of 113 days in 2014. The lowest paid congressional legislator receives $174,000 per year. And they want to vote themselves a raise. Max congressional pay should be median household salary in the US. That goes for all offices of the federal government. It isn't a career, it's a duty.
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User avatar #35 to #1 - schmuxy ONLINE (12/03/2015) [-]
This is what happens when you let the government decide their own salary...
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User avatar #3 to #1 - supahsayin (12/03/2015) [-]
It's only natural, once you realize that congress makes their own payrolls.
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User avatar #6 to #3 - pipeworks (12/03/2015) [-]
Why the **** does Congress get to decide its own paycheck.

Why the **** does Congress get to decide its own paycheck.

WHY THE **** DOES CONGRESS GET TO DECIDE ITS OWN PAYCHECK

WHY THE **** DOES CONGRESS GET TO DECIDE ITS OWN PAYCHECK
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User avatar #8 to #7 - slapchoppin (12/03/2015) [-]
if 69% of firefighters are volunteers and therefore not being paid

then how much are the other 31% being paid that the average is $42,301 per year?
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#16 to #8 - selfrazedzealot ONLINE (12/03/2015) [-]
I'm 90% sure thats the average amount paid to a firefighter regardless of amount hired. It's not (42,000 avg of 100 people) it's (42,000 is paid but 69 people do it for free.) I find it hard to believe the average firefighter anywhere is paid 135,000 a year (if my math is correct)
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User avatar #86 to #8 - ninjaroo ONLINE (12/04/2015) [-]
$136,454.839 is the answer to that question.

Obviously not how much they actually make tho.
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User avatar #15 to #8 - youregaylol (12/03/2015) [-]
Was a volunteer firefighter, paid firefighter/paramedics or firefighter/emts start off at like 44k after a probationary period where they pull in like 28k base, then after a few years they can make 60k, but this doesn't include overtime which is a lot.
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User avatar #10 to #8 - supahsayin (12/03/2015) [-]
Either they're not counted in the averaging, or it's 60k/80k. I only can give that number since I live with a firefighter. However, he works as a fire inspector on a naval base, so that number's obviously going to be skewed towards the higher payroll.
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#28 to #6 - insanefreak (12/03/2015) [-]
Sadly enough, top politicians generally decide their own wage everywhere. Even CEO's don't get away with that (mostly, with the exception of a very few compared to all hundreds of thousands of companies, big and small out there).

In Belgium we had a law that when an MP quit his job, he got 200.000 euros as a goodbye gift. Boy did that stir up some outrage when the public found out.
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User avatar #61 to #6 - niggastolemyname (12/03/2015) [-]
because they don't
there's this little amendment called the 27th
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#62 to #3 - niggastolemyname (12/03/2015) [-]
not according to the 27th they d
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#30 - anon (12/03/2015) [-]
The Chair of the Senate Environment Committee is a global warming conspiracy theorist who brought a snowball onto the Senate floor and claimed it was proof that global warming is a hoax.

Welcome to America
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#71 to #30 - anon (12/03/2015) [-]
Except you know, Global Warming is a hoax.
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#74 to #71 - anon (12/03/2015) [-]
something something vaccines autism something something >>>/pol/
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#5 - anon (12/03/2015) [-]
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User avatar #9 to #5 - xedeid ONLINE (12/03/2015) [-]
Wind IS a finite resource though, and massive wind farming does **** **** up.
It only sounds stupid.
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User avatar #27 to #9 - emiyashirou (12/03/2015) [-]
You mean the same way that pretty much every city in the world ***** the wind up in its immediate vicinity?
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User avatar #11 to #9 - xedeid ONLINE (12/03/2015) [-]
Well not Finite per say, but the winds get slowed down and **** gets ****** .
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User avatar #20 to #11 - gcloud (12/03/2015) [-]
so what are u trying to tell us? "wind is a finite resource, except it's not finite at all" or "he's 100% right, exept the part where he's completely wrong"
ps the fact that u said wind is a finite resource, even if u contradicted yourself later, has proven to me you have no idea how wind works.
the only real adverse effect of turbines is the infrasound it creates causing headaches, sleep deprivation and other mild effects. the wind speeds have no negative effect besides a negligible temperature change.

www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-05/fyi-do-wind-farms-make-it-less-windy
www.cfp.ca/content/59/5/473.full
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#13 to #11 - anon (12/03/2015) [-]
And then the Sun.
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User avatar #72 to #9 - Shiny ONLINE (12/03/2015) [-]
Wind farming's "downsides" are the result of idiot hypochondriacs that think spinning metal towers will give them AIDS.
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#14 to #5 - anon (12/03/2015) [-]
**anonymous used "*roll picture*"**
**anonymous rolled image** tfw he was right.
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User avatar #21 to #14 - newbtwo (12/03/2015) [-]
that album is so good
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User avatar #12 - nought (12/03/2015) [-]
What Harry Reid said was mostly correct. The website was ****** up and a lot of people in lower-income neighborhoods couldn't get past the confusing forms and ****** server
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User avatar #17 to #12 - chuca (12/03/2015) [-]
If this is true, it sounds like he was trying to shift the blame of the website itself and act like the internet in general is the problem.
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#41 to #17 - anon (12/03/2015) [-]
are we not?
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#63 to #12 - vorarephilia (12/03/2015) [-]
if obamacare was anything like getting a copy of tax returns from the IRS I can see why.

I'm still considering dropping out of college to live on a farm in the ass end of nowhere it was so frustrating.
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User avatar #2 - dbqpdb ONLINE (12/03/2015) [-]
It's sad how there's less approval for congress than the president, but I'd imagine there's even less interest in congressional elections.
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User avatar #4 to #2 - battletechmech (12/03/2015) [-]
You only get to vote for 1/435 congressman and 2/50 senators, you get to vote for the only president.
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User avatar #66 to #4 - tealcanaan (12/03/2015) [-]
You vote for one senator
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User avatar #88 to #66 - battletechmech (12/04/2015) [-]
you vote for both senators, only one position shows up on the ballet due to the staggered 6 year voting.
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User avatar #52 - robinwilliamson (12/03/2015) [-]
Why only Democrat quotes, two of which (Reid and Pelosi quotes under context) aren't as dumb as they look, when you could have an even split by replacing those two with Republican gems?

Marco Rubio (R-FL) "It's not nation building, we are assisting them in building their nation."

Michelle Bachmann (R-MN) "I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out under another, then under another Democrat president, Jimmy Carter. I'm not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it's an interesting coincidence."
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#59 to #52 - anon (12/03/2015) [-]
Because most of FJ is right winged.
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User avatar #60 to #52 - Fgner (12/03/2015) [-]
To defend Rubio, he's right. The term "Nation Building" is used so negatively now-a-days and is thrown around a lot to make America look Imperialistic and menacing. "Oh look at those evil Americans, using their military to force their themselves upon this poor, defenseless country!"

He's trying to clarify, we aren't trying to build a government for ourselves there. We're helping the people take back power and establish a stable government of their own that, you know, doesn't gas their own citizens.

But Bachmann is an idiot, just like 85% of our nobility (and I'm talking from both parties equally).
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User avatar #75 to #60 - Shiny ONLINE (12/03/2015) [-]
Rubio is right in principle, but whenever America intervenes in foreign politics the results are always a new dictatorship that happens to be more lenient toward the US. It's actually toppled democratically elected leaders for this, i.e. Chile.
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#29 - badsamaritan (12/03/2015) [-]
Sheila Jackson Lee is the biggest mistake Texas ever made besides reelecting Anise Parker for a third term as Houston mayor.
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#44 to #29 - anon (12/03/2015) [-]
>the last three governors, Bush, Perry, and Abbot
****** pseudo-Texan
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User avatar #54 to #29 - robinwilliamson (12/03/2015) [-]
The last mistake Texas made was Houston's mayor?

Either way, I've seen her around in person at my church and once at a mutual friend's funeral, and she's one of the most chill as **** people. She was an okay mayor, nothing groundbreaking as far as I know, but decent-ish I guess, more so for people deeper inside Houston.
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User avatar #67 to #54 - tealcanaan (12/03/2015) [-]
ya, she's pretty chill, except for trying to restrict speech and all that....
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User avatar #87 to #67 - robinwilliamson (12/04/2015) [-]
For wat
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User avatar #90 to #89 - robinwilliamson (12/04/2015) [-]
That was a stupid move
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User avatar #91 to #90 - tealcanaan (12/04/2015) [-]
Lefties will take what they can get until it slaps them in the face.
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User avatar #92 to #91 - robinwilliamson (12/04/2015) [-]
As opposed to righties?
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User avatar #93 to #92 - tealcanaan (12/04/2015) [-]
In Texas they usually repeal laws, just saying, or create "less restriction" :/
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User avatar #94 to #93 - robinwilliamson (12/04/2015) [-]
That's the complete opposite of what Abbot is doing in office. Signing in the new conceal carry on campus (that all the college teachers I know or have spoken to, from Lone Star, to Houston Community College, to UT I've heard a few, and one of my relatives teaches at Texas State, all really hate), and he's putting on restrictions on charities that want to take refugees, while trying to circumvent the law about the federal government deciding how refugees are handled, and on top of all that, he sent Paxton to file a lawsuit over a grayed interpretation of the refugee law about consultation.

Things like that make a lot of Texans want another Ann Richards (*cough* lefty *cough*), if you remember her.
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User avatar #95 to #94 - tealcanaan (12/04/2015) [-]
I'm at tech. Also CCL is less restriction on personal rights bucko. And requiring stringent background checks on refugees is more than reasonable lmao, public safety trumps the rights of foreign nationals seeking access.
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User avatar #96 to #95 - robinwilliamson (12/04/2015) [-]
CCL is still new laws, not repealing laws, is what I'm saying.

But the Syrian refugee stuff I'm not sure you've been reading what I've been reading.
It's not requiring stringent background checks he's saying, he's outright ordering no refugees under any circumstance, and trying to make specific orders on charities that want to voluntarily take some, not even suggesting allowing it under a background check, just a flat "No.". The Obama administration is already doing the stringent background checks, and double and triple checks.

Also, the CEO of Refugee Services of Texas said "our agency is required to comply with Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibiting discrimination on the basis of race, color, and national origin in programs and activities federal financial assistance. Excluding specifically Syrians from our federally-funded resettlement program or other support services may violate federal law, which we would be legally bound not to do... We have always strived to be effective collaborators with our state partners, but this action by Gov. Abbott does present unprecedented challenges,"

www.texastribune.org/2015/12/01/nonprofit-says-it-will-still-resettle-syrian-refug/

thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/11/25/3725752/texas-governor-picks-fight-with-faith-groups-syrian-refugees/
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User avatar #97 to #96 - tealcanaan (12/04/2015) [-]
You see,restriction on second amendment rights are laws, CCL acts and Open Carry legislation just protect those rights, it's more a reversal of the gun legislation the old racist democrats had put in place back in the 20-30's.
>texasrtibune
>thinkprogress

Okay, lets clear this up, the reasoning for refusing Syrian refugees is that the federal government has stated they cannot guarantee the backgrounds of the refugees, this is plain and clear. Their is no basis for civil rights or any such things, this is purely a matter of public safety. And the federal government, in stating they could not verify the backgrounds of a large part of the refugees, violates federal law as well, it's up to the courts.
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User avatar #98 to #97 - robinwilliamson (12/04/2015) [-]
I'm not disputing the ccl, I get it, I was referring to you saying they're repealing laws

I also get the reasoning, it's that the reasoning doesn't fit the actions.
It's one thing to ask for better screening or to screen them yourself, it's another thing to have nothing to say except seven different ways of saying no.

The reasoning in the end just ends up sounding disingenuous if the whole conversation over the issue is just avoided. Nobody is against public safety or screening. I'd like to read more about the not guaranteeing background checks though, what I've heard is that we can't guarantee they'll have something to be checked, which doesn't sound like something to reject an entire program for, that doesn't sound like the America I read books about.
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User avatar #99 to #98 - tealcanaan (12/04/2015) [-]
The america you read books about seems to be a Marxist propaganda fairy-tail lmao. Read any immigration and refugee act pre-1965 and come back and tell me that tripe. The fact is, murderous Muslims come to France through the refugees, half the refugees aren't Iraqi or Syrian, and most don't have documentation. I'd rather not risk that **** for the sake of folks who could just as easily hold up in turkey.

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>In Texas they usually repeal laws, just saying, or create "less restriction"
>"less restriction"
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User avatar #100 to #99 - robinwilliamson (12/04/2015) [-]
You're probably the first person to ever say that the original works of the Founding Fathers is Marxist propaganda. And no, WWII camps and Operation Wetback ain't what I was looking for either. Jefferson argued for "a right which nature has given to all men, of departing from the country in which chance, not choice, has placed them." and there's other things from Paine and Madison.

But now you goin straight up lying trying to say "murderous Muslims come to France through the refugees" when there isn't a lick of evidence to support that, that's being inflated way out of control. Man, don't you be laughing at ThinkProgress when this is the level you've been brought down to. Go credibility hunting, see what you can nab, there's some healthier **** to read than "murderous Musilms".
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User avatar #101 to #100 - tealcanaan (12/04/2015) [-]
www.cnn.com/2015/11/15/europe/paris-attacks-passports/

Way to quote Jefferson m8, want to tell me what he wrote about every other race of man and how they compared to that of northern European stock next? And I meant literally any immigration bill, not just WW2 era m8, ******* google it and tell me your little egalitarian fantasy was a reality in pre-1965 america, you're so full of **** .
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User avatar #102 to #101 - robinwilliamson (12/04/2015) [-]
Lolnope
www.cbsnews.com/news/paris-attacks-teams-extremists-france-prosecutor/
"he passport did not contain the correct numbers for a legitimate Syrian passport and the picture did not match the name."

The Founders often understood they had those kinds of imperfection that was kept minimal from arguing laws, and knew it would cause a tear in the country at some point. It was a fight from the beginning, and it got worse and worse, and they wanted the future to learn from their history whatever it was, just keeping progress in mind.
"no person living wishes more sincerely than I do, to see a complete refutation of the doubts I have myself entertained and expressed on the grade of understanding allotted to them by nature, and to find that in this respect they are on a par with ourselves. My doubts were the result of personal observation on the limited sphere of my own State, where the opportunity for the development of their genius were not favorable and those of exercising it still less so. I expressed them therefore with great hesitation; but whatever be their degree of talent it is no measure of their rights." -in a letter to a French dude

You started talking later laws, not me.
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User avatar #69 to #29 - tealcanaan (12/03/2015) [-]
All from Houston too, that city such a ******** . Even if Austin and Dallas have just as ****** local elections, they are redeemed by not being complete cesspits.
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#40 to #29 - sonofagun (12/03/2015) [-]
Thats what happens when you get scores of liberals flooding into a state so they can make said state more like the state they just left. Mistakes get made.
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User avatar #79 to #40 - Shiny ONLINE (12/03/2015) [-]
Texas basically ****** up the country's education system, so fair is fair.
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User avatar #84 - beardgasm (12/03/2015) [-]
While I agree, this was obviously created by republicans. Republicans have said stuff just as stupid as this. I think we need to get them all out, or at least get money out of politics so that our representatives actually represent us and not whoever gives them the most money.
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#83 - froggernaught (12/03/2015) [-]
Congress doesn't work. We've got 50 people who've never really dealt with a problem before trying to tackle the biggest problems in the nation.

Bit of personal experience. Had a history class where we tried to play a game of nations. Students got a small chunk of a map and were tasked with keeping their nation alive. Several of these little nations joined with me to be an empire. We decided to be a democratic empire. With me as the President and everyone else as the congress. Nothing got done, people argued and bickered over everything, some people didn't even contribute. Our empire collapsed as it was rising. We lost the game.
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User avatar #77 - Shiny ONLINE (12/03/2015) [-]
Of course the page the URL links to (or tries to) says that Republican reps never do or say anything wrong and that Muslims cause all of our problems even though we split off from Britain :^)

This is why Congress is such **** , because we're pretending parties are somehow paragons of ideals and not basically the same opportunistic **** in different packages.
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User avatar #57 - haroldsaxon ONLINE (12/03/2015) [-]
The get loads of money from their sponsors regardless, why also a raise?
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User avatar #39 - cameraguy ONLINE (12/03/2015) [-]
Yep this country is ****** I'd really like to move to Mexico
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User avatar #38 - sackit (12/03/2015) [-]
"lasted for 400 year" yeah and now only embers remain, murica dying
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#50 to #38 - anon (12/03/2015) [-]
India new world superpower
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User avatar #24 - tastywheat (12/03/2015) [-]
That Obamacare one is actually a good point. When it was first implemented it was apparently very unclear when you had to sign up on the website and how to actually do it. Left a lot of people without healthcare.

Not saying I agree with him, just saying his statement isn't a ignorant one. Its valid.
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User avatar #33 to #24 - sketchE (12/03/2015) [-]
youre reason makes sense. his reason does not. saying we need to extend the deadline because we didnt make anything clear to the people actually buying it makes sense. saying we need to extend it because the people we are forcing to use it dont know how to use the internet does not
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#26 - historybuff ONLINE (12/03/2015) [-]
This is going to be a wildly unpopular opinion, BUT

Government officials are not paid enough. Most importantly, judges are not paid enough. They're already paid quite a bit, I know. No Judge, even in the court of common pleas, tends to make less than 100K a year. Now, while that's a lot of money, that pales, ******* pales in comparison to what a private practice lawyer makes.

The average lawyer in private practice makes around 130-160K a year. That's how much a judge makes. A judge is supposed to be the most accomplished of lawyers. A man who has spent a lifetime in the judicial system and knows it in and out, who is respected and feared by other lawyers for his ability.

Instead, today, becoming a judge is viewed as a midway point in a lawyers career. The best of the best are not becoming judges (unless they have a sense of duty to their country). The best lawyers become a judge for the sake of becoming a judge and then leave the office to become a partner at a large firm where they can easily pull in 1 million or more a year. Do you know how much the chief justice of the supreme court makes? 246K a year. A quarter what a private partner at any small law firm in a big city can make.

All of what I've just said also applies to congressional representatives. They make slightly more than a ******* common please judge (around 200K a year) which is next to nothing when it comes to what you can make in the private sector. So you don't have the best of the best becoming legislators either (oh, did I mention most legislators are lawyers too? So yeah, it's the judicial system that's really ****** up)

TL : DR
Judges are underpaid and this results in the best of the best not becoming judges, and ****** lawyers staying judges because it's the best salary they can pull in and it's easy to get re-elected as a judge because nobody ******* cares about judicial elections. This applies to congress too.
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#85 - noplaceperson ONLINE (12/03/2015) [-]
this could be the most blatantly biased thing ive ever scene
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User avatar #73 - cuzsunny (12/03/2015) [-]
Being a member of the government is a civil service not a source of wealth. If they're doing it for the money, they need to be fired.
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#70 - anon (12/03/2015) [-]
All four of these political masterminds are Democrats.
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#68 - onceapiece (12/03/2015) [-]
I'm sure I'll get hate if anybody actually sees this but if you look at an actual congressman
's schedule you might see why they get paid so much. That, and of course it incredibly difficult to get elected and to make sure you do not mess up a single speech, otherwise that is what people focus on as shown in the content. www.congressfoundation.org/storage/documents/CMF_Pubs/life-in-congress-the-member-perspective.pdf
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