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pallepis (09/05/2015) [-] Fat shaming works. Korea is living testament to this, you can't even argue with it, Korea is a slim shady heaven.
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ionlywhisper (09/06/2015) [-] lmao "fat shaming works and is great"
you do realize south korea has one of the lowest teen happiness rating and highest suicide rate in ages 10 - 20
its because of the stress from school. If you are fat in school, peers do talk **** about you, and make you an outcast just becuase you are fat. Sure call it fat shaming, but it's not helping lowering the obesity rates. It's killing the obesity rate (lmao) by making fat girls kill themselves.
Fat shaming does not work and should be eradicated. Instead, "Well-being" should be encouraged. Korea has seen successes in national health improvements by promoting "well-being" food, exercises, and daily routines. And it works. I have never seen the media hating fat people. It just states that staying healthy and active is good for your body.
so, no. Fat shaming is bad, and should never be realized. Instead, we need to help and encourage fat people to be more active and be healthy. And that includes giving at least little bit of pride, so they can jumpstart to take care of their own body.
you do realize south korea has one of the lowest teen happiness rating and highest suicide rate in ages 10 - 20
its because of the stress from school. If you are fat in school, peers do talk **** about you, and make you an outcast just becuase you are fat. Sure call it fat shaming, but it's not helping lowering the obesity rates. It's killing the obesity rate (lmao) by making fat girls kill themselves.
Fat shaming does not work and should be eradicated. Instead, "Well-being" should be encouraged. Korea has seen successes in national health improvements by promoting "well-being" food, exercises, and daily routines. And it works. I have never seen the media hating fat people. It just states that staying healthy and active is good for your body.
so, no. Fat shaming is bad, and should never be realized. Instead, we need to help and encourage fat people to be more active and be healthy. And that includes giving at least little bit of pride, so they can jumpstart to take care of their own body.
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anon (09/05/2015) [-]
Well, it works to prevent people from letting themselves get fat, but it doesn't do anything to make a fat person skinny.
If you learn to hate your body, you won't care for it anymore. They need to be able to like their body. Not as in, "I'm fat and I love it," rather, they need to love their body for what it can do, and to see the potential in it.
Kind of like how people will never do anything good with their mind if they're constantly convinced that they're stupid, or how people will take on challenging mental tasks, and become smarter, because they're told they have potential.
If you learn to hate your body, you won't care for it anymore. They need to be able to like their body. Not as in, "I'm fat and I love it," rather, they need to love their body for what it can do, and to see the potential in it.
Kind of like how people will never do anything good with their mind if they're constantly convinced that they're stupid, or how people will take on challenging mental tasks, and become smarter, because they're told they have potential.
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lincolnpenis (09/05/2015) [-] I thought she was retarded right from the first video that was posted on this site. Typical blonde loudmouth bimbo chick re-iterating already widely shared opinion in as doofy a way as possible.
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lulzdealer ONLINE (09/06/2015) [-] We SHOULD shame fat people.
Shaming implies someone has done something shameful. And fatness, an entirely preventable condition, is very much deserved of shaming.
If your fat, that tells me:
-you can't stick to a plan
-you have no self-control
-you don't respect your body enough to keep it healthy
One of the biggest reasons I got in shape was because of the constant tirade of being called fat **** all the time. It pissed me off so much that I turned that anger into motivation.
So quit ur bitchin' and quit eating yourself into your own grave.
FAT.
**** .
Shaming implies someone has done something shameful. And fatness, an entirely preventable condition, is very much deserved of shaming.
If your fat, that tells me:
-you can't stick to a plan
-you have no self-control
-you don't respect your body enough to keep it healthy
One of the biggest reasons I got in shape was because of the constant tirade of being called fat **** all the time. It pissed me off so much that I turned that anger into motivation.
So quit ur bitchin' and quit eating yourself into your own grave.
FAT.
**** .
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thewowpimp (09/06/2015) [-] I think you're connecting to things which aren't the same.
Fat shaming is when someone refers to all fat people as a whole as disgusting, unlovable, smelly, etc. etc. That's the **** from people online who don't know you and are just trying to make you feel bad.
Now, if your friend calls you a fat **** , that's your buddy being an ass. He's still your buddy, and hell it might even help you like in your case, but that's cause he's your friend. That's not fat shaming, that's you shaming, big difference.
Fat shaming is when someone refers to all fat people as a whole as disgusting, unlovable, smelly, etc. etc. That's the **** from people online who don't know you and are just trying to make you feel bad.
Now, if your friend calls you a fat **** , that's your buddy being an ass. He's still your buddy, and hell it might even help you like in your case, but that's cause he's your friend. That's not fat shaming, that's you shaming, big difference.
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sillybee [OP](09/06/2015) [-] If you learn to hate your body, you won't care for it anymore. They need to be able to like their body. Not as in, "I'm fat and I love it," rather, they need to love their body for what it can do, and to see the potential in it.
Kind of like how people will never do anything good with their mind if they're constantly convinced that they're stupid, or how people will take on challenging mental tasks, and become smarter, because they're told they have potential.
Obesity is a problem, it is viewd by society as a problem, the majority of fat people know it is a problem. What do we do with people who have problems. I would like to think we help them. Some people might only need the help to understand that they have a problem, like an alcholic, or a drug addict, do you shame them for having a problem? Do you bully them until they stop doing what is causing their problem? That wont work for the majority, because people who hate themselves are more likely to give up, and not care about their condition.
Kind of like how people will never do anything good with their mind if they're constantly convinced that they're stupid, or how people will take on challenging mental tasks, and become smarter, because they're told they have potential.
Obesity is a problem, it is viewd by society as a problem, the majority of fat people know it is a problem. What do we do with people who have problems. I would like to think we help them. Some people might only need the help to understand that they have a problem, like an alcholic, or a drug addict, do you shame them for having a problem? Do you bully them until they stop doing what is causing their problem? That wont work for the majority, because people who hate themselves are more likely to give up, and not care about their condition.
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robinwilliamson (09/06/2015) [-] Tell me a time where "shaming" something worked effectively.
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lulzdealer ONLINE (09/06/2015) [-] Well there's me, for starters. That is, if you actually bothered to read what I wrote in it's entirety.
Next, there's one of the cardinal ways in which our culture used to function. We actively suppressed negative behaviors through social rebuke.
Just look at the state of our modern society and it's many ills, we let this **** run rampant and are now paying the price for it.
Next, there's one of the cardinal ways in which our culture used to function. We actively suppressed negative behaviors through social rebuke.
Just look at the state of our modern society and it's many ills, we let this **** run rampant and are now paying the price for it.
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robinwilliamson (09/06/2015) [-] I read yours, but you didn't understand mine.
I said "effectively". You can't say "It worked for me" and wash your hands of it, because "effectively" is a relative term, as in looking at the macro of the issue, something larger than you and a cherrypicked handful of others. Sure, I could say chiropractic personally seemed to make my back feel a little better and my sister and uncle too, but does that mean that it's effective when lots of other people are getting permanent neck damage and many people having reoccurring pain? No, that's not how it works.
I said "effectively". You can't say "It worked for me" and wash your hands of it, because "effectively" is a relative term, as in looking at the macro of the issue, something larger than you and a cherrypicked handful of others. Sure, I could say chiropractic personally seemed to make my back feel a little better and my sister and uncle too, but does that mean that it's effective when lots of other people are getting permanent neck damage and many people having reoccurring pain? No, that's not how it works.
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JustintheWaysian ONLINE (09/06/2015) [-]
Understand that anger->motivation doesn't work for everyone.
Some people sustain their motivation from depression.
But for the majority of people, their motivation is sustained by positive encouragement in the right direction, not just encouragement in any form
That said, the things that you identify of:
-can't stick to a plan
-have no self-control
-don't respect the body enough
You're completely correct about the above! And there's no real contesting that either. However, most fat people don't know HOW to do those things.
And yeah, you can say "well there are resources online, you can go find them, there's no excuse". Do you say that to a friend who is trying to learn how to re-do their wood flooring? Do you say that to someone who is looking for a good show to watch? You don't ******* say "it's online, go ******* find it yourself, you don't need my goddamn help". You say, "Aw yeah man, here's a link for doing wood flooring" or "A great show that I like to watch is <x> comedy, go check it out".
This is the kind of encouragement most fat people need. Direction from others who are knowledgable or successful. And as I illustrated above with online resources, laziness due to ignorance is not the same as hardened laziness in general. Telling someone they are lazy for not finding the resources to accomplish their goals is more indicative of a lack of resourcefulness, which is an entirely DIFFERENT thing from lack of motivation to be healthy.
You can help fat people by showing them helpful resources and telling them that you believe they can be successful with those resources. Understand the individual's motivational sustenance; is it anger, depression, disappointment, shame? YOU take the time to learn that individual's motivational pressure points instead of being LAZY with "shame works for everyone".
Some people sustain their motivation from depression.
But for the majority of people, their motivation is sustained by positive encouragement in the right direction, not just encouragement in any form
That said, the things that you identify of:
-can't stick to a plan
-have no self-control
-don't respect the body enough
You're completely correct about the above! And there's no real contesting that either. However, most fat people don't know HOW to do those things.
And yeah, you can say "well there are resources online, you can go find them, there's no excuse". Do you say that to a friend who is trying to learn how to re-do their wood flooring? Do you say that to someone who is looking for a good show to watch? You don't ******* say "it's online, go ******* find it yourself, you don't need my goddamn help". You say, "Aw yeah man, here's a link for doing wood flooring" or "A great show that I like to watch is <x> comedy, go check it out".
This is the kind of encouragement most fat people need. Direction from others who are knowledgable or successful. And as I illustrated above with online resources, laziness due to ignorance is not the same as hardened laziness in general. Telling someone they are lazy for not finding the resources to accomplish their goals is more indicative of a lack of resourcefulness, which is an entirely DIFFERENT thing from lack of motivation to be healthy.
You can help fat people by showing them helpful resources and telling them that you believe they can be successful with those resources. Understand the individual's motivational sustenance; is it anger, depression, disappointment, shame? YOU take the time to learn that individual's motivational pressure points instead of being LAZY with "shame works for everyone".
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mrjweezy (09/06/2015) [-] I gotta say I agreed with nothing he has said.
If he really does feel bad about his weight he would do something, anything.
He could just switch to drinking water, choose not to eat as much, make better choices, a brisk walk, fasting, ANYTHING.
But he just wants us to stop telling these people they are ill.
anorexia is a psychological issue and so is obesity.
You cant look at yourself everyday and think "this is gonna kill me" and not do **** . being nice about it was over when people started ignoring doctors.
We had that Dr. Ian Smith global weight loss challenge and that didnt do jack **** .
So if being nice doesn't work, and shaming doesn't work. WHAT DOES!!???
If he really does feel bad about his weight he would do something, anything.
He could just switch to drinking water, choose not to eat as much, make better choices, a brisk walk, fasting, ANYTHING.
But he just wants us to stop telling these people they are ill.
anorexia is a psychological issue and so is obesity.
You cant look at yourself everyday and think "this is gonna kill me" and not do **** . being nice about it was over when people started ignoring doctors.
We had that Dr. Ian Smith global weight loss challenge and that didnt do jack **** .
So if being nice doesn't work, and shaming doesn't work. WHAT DOES!!???
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JustintheWaysian ONLINE (09/06/2015) [-]
Positive encouragement in the right direction works. Giving people effective resources and believing in their potential success with said resources, works.
You can't just be nice to the person. You can't just be mean to the person. Not everyone derives motivation from shame/anger/depression. Many people just don't know how to lose the weight. Our society stigmatizes "physical activity" as the only thing you have to do, while neglecting diet.
Severely obese people need to diet so then they can engage in effective physical activity; consider it "stage-based-weight-loss". Merely overweight people need to diet and exercise a lot at the same time to work toward healthiness.
The only blanket answer is resourcefulness and knowing the right answer for the specific situation. If you want to help people (those that you actually know in real life), then help them to find the right resources, encourage them about their potential success ("I believe you can make this work. You have the ability to do so, and I'm excited to see where you go with these resources and work toward healthiness"), and understand what keeps them motivated.
Seek to understand individual people, rather than applying generalized issues to everyone.
You can't just be nice to the person. You can't just be mean to the person. Not everyone derives motivation from shame/anger/depression. Many people just don't know how to lose the weight. Our society stigmatizes "physical activity" as the only thing you have to do, while neglecting diet.
Severely obese people need to diet so then they can engage in effective physical activity; consider it "stage-based-weight-loss". Merely overweight people need to diet and exercise a lot at the same time to work toward healthiness.
The only blanket answer is resourcefulness and knowing the right answer for the specific situation. If you want to help people (those that you actually know in real life), then help them to find the right resources, encourage them about their potential success ("I believe you can make this work. You have the ability to do so, and I'm excited to see where you go with these resources and work toward healthiness"), and understand what keeps them motivated.
Seek to understand individual people, rather than applying generalized issues to everyone.
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mrjweezy (09/06/2015) [-] He shows no determination if he has tried time and time again.
You only have to do it one time and never stop.
giving up shows A LOT about your overall character.
I have a friend who used to be fairly normal. a little husky, but still.
He has gone up 150 since we graduated high school 2 years ago. I told him as a friend he has to lose this weight. h\He already sees the effects. He always has something wrong with him. I told him no more processed foods but he didnt listen, I told him stop eating the food from work, but he never listened. Not too long ago he called me sounding depressed. he asked me to help him, and being his friend I did. but he live a bit away from me and my work so we dont see each other a lot. So I bought him a membership at a nearby planet fitness. its not even a mile from him, so he goes and I have him send pitures of him there.
Im not trying to make myself seem like a saint but these people need to understand what obesity can do. As for my friend I do get upset with him because he doesn't stick to the schedule and I have to go with him to motivate him.
but at least im able to keep him going.
You only have to do it one time and never stop.
giving up shows A LOT about your overall character.
I have a friend who used to be fairly normal. a little husky, but still.
He has gone up 150 since we graduated high school 2 years ago. I told him as a friend he has to lose this weight. h\He already sees the effects. He always has something wrong with him. I told him no more processed foods but he didnt listen, I told him stop eating the food from work, but he never listened. Not too long ago he called me sounding depressed. he asked me to help him, and being his friend I did. but he live a bit away from me and my work so we dont see each other a lot. So I bought him a membership at a nearby planet fitness. its not even a mile from him, so he goes and I have him send pitures of him there.
Im not trying to make myself seem like a saint but these people need to understand what obesity can do. As for my friend I do get upset with him because he doesn't stick to the schedule and I have to go with him to motivate him.
but at least im able to keep him going.
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deviousluchador ONLINE (09/05/2015) [-] I don't mind fat people who know their issue and that they need to make a change.
I just don't like tumblr body acceptance retards.
I just don't like tumblr body acceptance retards.
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anon (09/06/2015) [-]
This guy hit's the nail on the head. I've been trying to lose weight for about a year now and I've only just been able to kick some of my worst food habits because I've had terrible issues with my self esteem. I hate my body. I hate the way I've turned out physically. I can tell you with certainty that the time's I've had people encouraging me rather than criticizing me for being fat have been the times that I've actually bothered to get off my lazy ass and exercise, to eat healthier. And I just now started having someone in my life who can consistently motivate me, so I've just started to actually lose some of the weight.
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geese ONLINE (09/05/2015) [-] "people are mean to me so its hard to lose weight"
Whatever, go eat yourself into an early grave, just don't cost everyone else 100's of billions in healthcare costs.
Oh wait, too late for that last part.
Whatever, go eat yourself into an early grave, just don't cost everyone else 100's of billions in healthcare costs.
Oh wait, too late for that last part.
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thefiveblade (09/06/2015) [-]
Me getting fat was the misclicks of all misclicks. I was skinny as a kid and in my early teens I was average like 160-170 at 6 foot. I always said nah I can't get fat then it all changed when the fire nation attacked. I was 200 I was like this is fine I'll wont gain anymore weight. 230lbs and I said this is fine as long as I am not 250. 270 you know what as long as I am not 300. Present date " **** I wish teen me wasn't a dumb **** ". Now I at least plan on losing it all going to 180lbs is my goal.
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wheteverlol (09/06/2015) [-] His arguments:
1. All fat people know that they are harming themselves, tell that to tumblr.
2. Calling people fat makes them depressed and thus fatter, yeah right "Wow everyone is super nice to me I guess I should get thinner" said no fat person ever.
3. Pretty much called the blonde an edgy (~0:47) dick (~5:40), well she is stupid but even if 1/1000 people decide to get thinner after being called fat over and over it is a better percentage than none.
1. All fat people know that they are harming themselves, tell that to tumblr.
2. Calling people fat makes them depressed and thus fatter, yeah right "Wow everyone is super nice to me I guess I should get thinner" said no fat person ever.
3. Pretty much called the blonde an edgy (~0:47) dick (~5:40), well she is stupid but even if 1/1000 people decide to get thinner after being called fat over and over it is a better percentage than none.
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sillybee [OP](09/06/2015) [-] "If you learn to hate your body, you won't care for it anymore. They need to be able to like their body. Not as in, "I'm fat and I love it," rather, they need to love their body for what it can do, and to see the potential in it.
Kind of like how people will never do anything good with their mind if they're constantly convinced that they're stupid, or how people will take on challenging mental tasks, and become smarter, because they're told they have potential."
Kind of like how people will never do anything good with their mind if they're constantly convinced that they're stupid, or how people will take on challenging mental tasks, and become smarter, because they're told they have potential."
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wheteverlol (09/06/2015) [-] Are you quoting someone? Are these quotes supposed to be from some psychologist that knows what he's talking about or are you just using quotes to strengthen your argument? Different people react differently on the same problems what you wrote is way to generalized.
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sillybee [OP](09/06/2015) [-] I quoted an anon from the comment section of this post. Obesity is a problem, it is viewd by society as a problem, the majority of fat people know it is a problem. What do we do with people who have problems. I would like to think we help them. Some people might only need the help to understand that they have a problem, like an alcholic, or a drug addict, do you shame them for having a problem? Do you bully them until they stop doing what is causing their problem?
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wheteverlol (09/06/2015) [-] No I'm not saying bullying is the answer. I'm saying that his arguments are bad and not taking action is even worse than bullying, because bullying might actually have a result on some people.
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sillybee [OP](09/06/2015) [-] Nobody is talking about not taking action, he talks a lot about taking action, he is struggling, and he has lost a lot of weight, he encourages people to do something about it before it's too late, before they end up like him with all his physical problems. We can take action by helping, by encouraging obese people to lose weight, motivate them to discipline themselves so that they may achive self-motivation. When has shaming anyone for their problems worked effectivly? Fat shaming doesn't work, when people are taught to hate themselves, they're more likely to give up, to not care about their condition. tbh you don't have to worry because the majority of fat people know that they have a problem, when society view you as a person having a problem, you'll most likely end up hating yourself anyways.
TLR: WHEN SOMEBODY FALLS DOWN, YOU HELP THEM TO GET THE **** UP!
TLR: WHEN SOMEBODY FALLS DOWN, YOU HELP THEM TO GET THE **** UP!
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wheteverlol (09/06/2015) [-] I'm overweight, always have been, why? I like eating. Out of the 22 years of my life I have been going to the gym for 10 the last two years I have been trying to get into running but I'm having trouble because I get asthma attacks within a minute of running. I don't lie to myself I know I'm fat and I accept it more or less. But comparing getting fat to falling down is wrong. Getting fat is deciding to lie down not falling down. And then someone comes along and tells you
"Hey you are lying on the ground" to which you respond "I know I'm lying on the ground". "Well you should get up then". "I don't feel like getting up". "Suit yourself then you ground layer"
And then the second this guy leaves you think to yourself this person was mean I should get a shovel and dig deeper.
"Hey you are lying on the ground" to which you respond "I know I'm lying on the ground". "Well you should get up then". "I don't feel like getting up". "Suit yourself then you ground layer"
And then the second this guy leaves you think to yourself this person was mean I should get a shovel and dig deeper.
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JustintheWaysian ONLINE (09/06/2015) [-]
"Getting fat is deciding to lie down, not falling down"
Not really man. The majority of fat people weren't fat before, lost it, then regained it. Most of them have been gaining weight without losing it. So to use the "falling down" analogy:
It's more like a child who has not learned to get up from the ground. Everybody has picked up the child, the child has learned to walk, but the child did not learn how to stand up on its own. "Hey you are laying on the ground"; response: "I don't know how to get up"; "Lol stay on the ground then ground-layer"
I earnestly do think most obesity is derived from lack of resourcefulness, in terms of physical fitness, and depression or lack of motivation. People who have earned their healthy bodies can help fat people by providing them with resources and positive encouragement.
And for myself, I am overweight but not obese. I was fat during elementary schooling, lost the extra weight and earned a healthy body through high school, then put the weight back on after I graduated.
I've come to understand why this has happened:
-My high school weight loss was a routine because of required physical fitness courses.
-Many of my friends were in those physical fitness courses, so I enjoyed fitness greatly.
Then:
-My best friends moved away after high school. Online video games were a great way to keep in contact with them.
-My father grew terminally ill and died. Depression from that and needing to stay in the house to care for him, took me away from the university and gym where I was trying to keep myself going healthy.
-I don't have new friends and college and struggle to find friends who are involved in sports and physical fitness.
My weight issues stem from my lack of a healthy friend group. I know it sounds like an excuse, but that's where my motivation and things come from: my friend group. And it's not as though I'm hanging with the wrong crowd, I just don't have a crowd to hang with, to share interests with. I know how to lose the weight, I struggle with consistency without friends.
My point with all of this is, people have different reasons for their fatness. Many just lack the resources or lack resourcefulness, others lack effective motivation, and others lack positive encouragement in the right direction (fat acceptance is positive encouragement in the wrong direction).
Not really man. The majority of fat people weren't fat before, lost it, then regained it. Most of them have been gaining weight without losing it. So to use the "falling down" analogy:
It's more like a child who has not learned to get up from the ground. Everybody has picked up the child, the child has learned to walk, but the child did not learn how to stand up on its own. "Hey you are laying on the ground"; response: "I don't know how to get up"; "Lol stay on the ground then ground-layer"
I earnestly do think most obesity is derived from lack of resourcefulness, in terms of physical fitness, and depression or lack of motivation. People who have earned their healthy bodies can help fat people by providing them with resources and positive encouragement.
And for myself, I am overweight but not obese. I was fat during elementary schooling, lost the extra weight and earned a healthy body through high school, then put the weight back on after I graduated.
I've come to understand why this has happened:
-My high school weight loss was a routine because of required physical fitness courses.
-Many of my friends were in those physical fitness courses, so I enjoyed fitness greatly.
Then:
-My best friends moved away after high school. Online video games were a great way to keep in contact with them.
-My father grew terminally ill and died. Depression from that and needing to stay in the house to care for him, took me away from the university and gym where I was trying to keep myself going healthy.
-I don't have new friends and college and struggle to find friends who are involved in sports and physical fitness.
My weight issues stem from my lack of a healthy friend group. I know it sounds like an excuse, but that's where my motivation and things come from: my friend group. And it's not as though I'm hanging with the wrong crowd, I just don't have a crowd to hang with, to share interests with. I know how to lose the weight, I struggle with consistency without friends.
My point with all of this is, people have different reasons for their fatness. Many just lack the resources or lack resourcefulness, others lack effective motivation, and others lack positive encouragement in the right direction (fat acceptance is positive encouragement in the wrong direction).
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sillybee [OP](09/06/2015) [-] Do you want to be obese? Does any obese person want to be obese? Do people want to get obese? Obesity is a problem, when somebody is having problem realizing they have a problem, you help them understand that they have a problem, and you help them get up. When somebody doesn't want to get up, you help them to understand that laying down is not good for you, and that you have the potential to get up. Helping is only about going up to somebody and asking them if they need help, it is also helping them understanding they need help.
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akulakhan (09/05/2015) [-] Alright, Boogie is a cool and reasonable guy, no point in denying that. And while he's correct that some obese people are obese because of mental/physical factors (like him for example, he made a video in which he described he actually has a condition like this; it's a really good one, made me feel sorry for him), he doesn't seem to notice that there's a lot of folks who get fat solely because of their bad habits. Sometimes you get fat because you regularly eat more than you can burn on a daily basis and that's it. People like this will always find an excuse to justify their choices, because that's just human nature - to admit they ****** up would be to admit they're to blame for driving themselves to such an embarrassing state. I'm talking tumblr fatties throwing 'stopfatshaming' or whatever kind of hashtag around, while sitting on their lard asses for 12 hours browsing the internet. Or any other kind of person like this who feels a need to find an excuse for their condition. Because people who are fat due to illness realize they're sick and that it's not a badge of honor or something to be proud of - it's a ******* illness and just that.
So long story short, Boogie's opinion is valid, but he gets swayed easily by his personal attitude towards obesity, which itself is influenced by his own state.
So long story short, Boogie's opinion is valid, but he gets swayed easily by his personal attitude towards obesity, which itself is influenced by his own state.
