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tacoperson ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-] 
Every part of a car uses electricity, which comes from the alternator which is gas powered. A while ago mythbusters proved that it takes more gas to power an air conditioner than is lost by the drag of driving with your windows open. I can only imagine pumping a ton of power out of your speakers is the same way.
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stealingbikes ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-] Alternators will maintain 14 volts regardless of engine speed (typically. Some underperform at low RPMs), but while they have a maximum amperage rating, they will only generate enough amperage to meet the electrical demands of the car (up to their rated capacity). The more electrical demand is put on an alternator, the more difficult it is to turn, thus the more drag it puts on the engine in order to generate the needed power, which results in the engine needing to work harder to turn the pulley.
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stealingbikes ONLINE (12/26/2015) [-] True. I was just going for a round number for the sake of simplicity
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thedrgonzo (12/25/2015) [-] Didn't they later say that this was only the case at/below a certain speed threshold?
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scooterdanny (12/25/2015) [-] So here's the thing, Horsepower and watts and effectively equivalent units, just off by a coefficient. ONE Horsepower is equal to 746 watts. That's enough to power any sound system in your car. That being said however, Yes. Turning on electronics will decrease your horsepower/mileage, but unless you're driving a toaster, it will make very little difference.
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silasP (12/25/2015) [-]
The reason that the A/C burns gas is not because of the electrical draw. The alternator operates at the same capacity no matter what you draw from it. The air conditioner is driven by the belt, which takes mechanical power from the engine. Therefore, the A/C uses gas because it makes your engine work slightly harder.
I was a mechanic some time ago.
I was a mechanic some time ago.
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listerthepessimist (12/25/2015) [-] if I recall, the extra required to run just the radio is negligible.
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absolutcrysis (12/25/2015) [-]
As an Electrical Power Production Technician i can confirm this.
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drizztrocks (12/25/2015) [-]
Any body who dislikes Naruto just hasn't seen Might Gai open the 8th Gate
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brobyddark (12/25/2015) [-] Yeah, too bad it takes him the entire series and that entire ****** story for him to open the eighth gate and STILL not beat his enemy.
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emiyashirou (12/25/2015) [-] Naruto's soundtrack is one of the few parts that it does reasonably well. 
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morakh (12/25/2015) [-] I think many of the songs are quite good too. Sad that they had to pull it out and ruin it like that. I did really like the premise and attitudie of the original naruta, and shippuden seemed like an escape from the filler hell, but the it was just fillers too... Alltough i do apprechiate straight out fillers a bit more than One Pieces way of just dragging out like hell.
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adu ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-] People hate on Naruto because it's popular to hate on it, not because it's bad. It's not very GOOD, but that doesn't make it bad. Actually, it is bad if you don't skip the fillers, but OTHER THAN THAT, it's alright. It appeals more to a younger audience though, and it was running for such a long time that most people were 10 or 12 when it started and in their 20's by the time it got around to ending.
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dexorf (12/25/2015) [-]
The reason i personally dislike naruto is that even if you skip the fillers, the anime is drawn unnecesarilly long. I got into it like a year or two ago but stopped after watching an episode and realising all that was done in that episode was:
2 guys talking to eachother
some other 2 guys talking to eachother
and some guys throwing some attacks at eachother, not even a decent fight
That's probably the reason why i love avatar - it may not be long, but man, does stuff happen fast.
2 guys talking to eachother
some other 2 guys talking to eachother
and some guys throwing some attacks at eachother, not even a decent fight
That's probably the reason why i love avatar - it may not be long, but man, does stuff happen fast.
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adu ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-] To sort of expound on my last post, most ongoing manga manages to release one chapter every week AT BEST. In terms of reading speed and being able to animate the panels in your head, each chapter takes far less than 24 minutes to read each week. So when you have to animate 24 minutes using something that really isn't worth 24 minutes of animation, you have to pad it out, or simply do multiple chapters in one episode and then fill the next dozen episodes with garbage until you have more legitimate material to work with.
In this sense, I almost prefer that ongoing animes have filler, because at least you can SKIP filler. The alternative is having important plot progression painfully drawn out, to the point where something that was interesting in the manga has lost as time of pacing, urgency, and interest. That's sort of what's happened with One Piece I feel, and I hate that, since it was pretty much my favorite anime for a long time.
In this sense, I almost prefer that ongoing animes have filler, because at least you can SKIP filler. The alternative is having important plot progression painfully drawn out, to the point where something that was interesting in the manga has lost as time of pacing, urgency, and interest. That's sort of what's happened with One Piece I feel, and I hate that, since it was pretty much my favorite anime for a long time.
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exerthaddock (12/25/2015) [-] That's why I love JoJo. It was written in the 80's, so it's been finished for a while. That, and they pretty much copy the manga
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adu ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-] I mean, that's most ongoing anime, really. Stuff that's done only by the season has much higher production quality because they don't have as many minutes of animation to fill every week for years.
Pretty much every anime that has 12, 26, or 50ish episodes is always going to have better plot progression than something that has 100+ episodes, because they're following an existing script rather than one that they have to wait for as it comes out.
That being said, some arcs and episodes of Naruto I actually like. Others episodes, I despise, mostly for the same reasons you do.
Pretty much every anime that has 12, 26, or 50ish episodes is always going to have better plot progression than something that has 100+ episodes, because they're following an existing script rather than one that they have to wait for as it comes out.
That being said, some arcs and episodes of Naruto I actually like. Others episodes, I despise, mostly for the same reasons you do.
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adu ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-] I think I know what you mean. I personally liked the whole "Bounto" arc a whole lot. Seemed interesting to me, and I loved many of those characters. For some reason I was obsessed with the tiny artificial soul that was in the bird doll when I was like 12, but after that arc ended I pretty much never saw those characters again and never knew why. Until I learned about the concept of "filler," of course.
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motherfuckingkenji (12/25/2015) [-] Actually, I just realized that the only opening of Naruto I've seen (or at least that I remember) is that Shipudden one.
But now that I'm watching some of them, they've got some brety gud music.
But now that I'm watching some of them, they've got some brety gud music.
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mondominiman ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-] I used to love Naruto back when I was in middle school but I stopped watching it shortly after getting into HS. I don't care for the show anymore but I still feel like going back and reading the manga just so I can finally have some closure on a show I used to care so much for.
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nowthatsedgy (12/25/2015) [-] guy: yo can I have some dat booty?
girl: no
guy: *shoots up school*
girl: no
guy: *shoots up school*
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robuntu (12/25/2015) [-]
Every part of the car does use gas (unless it's an electric car).
The A/C, the radio, the lights, everything electrical gets its power from somewhere. Unless you have solar panels on your car, it comes from gas.
The A/C, the radio, the lights, everything electrical gets its power from somewhere. Unless you have solar panels on your car, it comes from gas.
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lukewarmpigeon (12/25/2015) [-] you could turn every electrical feature and the heat on in your car and never use even a drop more gas than if it was all off. a/c, power steering, some power brakes, and the water pump all can reduce gas mileage, and can be replaced with electric ones that don't affect fuel at all
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lukewarmpigeon (12/25/2015) [-] if you get electric pumps and fans on your car the only things that would reduce gas mileage are the alternator (which is required to run the vehicle for a reasonable amount of time), the a/c compressor (you might be able to get an electric one im not sure, i'd rather not have it at all), and the driver themselves
the electronics are actually only powered by the battery not the alternator anyway. the alternator just charges the battery
the electronics are actually only powered by the battery not the alternator anyway. the alternator just charges the battery
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ronyx (12/26/2015) [-] Everything is powered by the gasoline, it's just a matter of how far into the chain. Gas keeps the engine running which makes the alternator work which keeps charging the battery as its constantly being used by everything including the ecu of the car. Without alternator the battery gets drained and the car shuts down.
Gas>engine>alternator>batyery>ECM and electronics
Depending on the load of electronics the engine will Rev up higher to produce more power.
Gas>engine>alternator>batyery>ECM and electronics
Depending on the load of electronics the engine will Rev up higher to produce more power.
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lukewarmpigeon (12/26/2015) [-] no it won't, if i start my truck and turn on every electronic power draining thing nothing will happen, it will idle at around 850 rpm weather everything is on or off
in a points distributed carbureted motor there is no ecu to decide this, an alternator will only output in direct relation to the speed of the motor (i.e. the faster the motor turns the more power is generated) what isn't used get ground out through the frame.
only cars with electronically controlled throttle can do what you described
in a points distributed carbureted motor there is no ecu to decide this, an alternator will only output in direct relation to the speed of the motor (i.e. the faster the motor turns the more power is generated) what isn't used get ground out through the frame.
only cars with electronically controlled throttle can do what you described
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ronyx (12/26/2015) [-] You do realize that your truck does not account for all cars out there?
You do realize that cars with carburetors are almost phased out?
You do realize that most newer vehicles have an electronic throttle?
Any electronics like headlights will use gas because it puts the alternator on a heavier load OBVIOUSLY it's a very small amount in case it wasn't obvious to you.
If you don't believe me, a quick search on google will prove you wrong. I work with cars a lot so I know my apples.
You do realize that cars with carburetors are almost phased out?
You do realize that most newer vehicles have an electronic throttle?
Any electronics like headlights will use gas because it puts the alternator on a heavier load OBVIOUSLY it's a very small amount in case it wasn't obvious to you.
If you don't believe me, a quick search on google will prove you wrong. I work with cars a lot so I know my apples.
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lukewarmpigeon (12/26/2015) [-] yea, as do i. it doesn't actually affect the alternator if it did when white trash retards put 7 18 inch subwoofers in their cars they would need bigger and more alternators in their cars not batteries, carbs and points may be phased out in new factory vehicles but there are still 70+ years worth of vehicles that say you're wrong
i used my truck as an example because being 2002 its not completely outdated and its not a bad example for a vast majority of vehicles currently on the road
i used my truck as an example because being 2002 its not completely outdated and its not a bad example for a vast majority of vehicles currently on the road
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ronyx (12/26/2015) [-] You do realize that the alternator gets magnetized as load gets put on the alternator? Go to your truck, grab a screw driver and turn the ignition to on with accessories and headlights on, then place the screw driver on the pulley. It'll be magnetized, and as more load is put the magnetization gets stronger which requires the car to use more gasoline to keep the rpm stable.
Your argument of "the rpm doesn't increase therefore there alternator is not under load, therefore there is no more gas used" is just bad. Sorry m8, but all you have done so far is dance around the subject without actual proof to sustain your claims. And unless you can break the law of conservation of energy, then you're pretty wrong mate.
Your argument of "the rpm doesn't increase therefore there alternator is not under load, therefore there is no more gas used" is just bad. Sorry m8, but all you have done so far is dance around the subject without actual proof to sustain your claims. And unless you can break the law of conservation of energy, then you're pretty wrong mate.
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lukewarmpigeon (12/26/2015) [-] the way im understanding your rants is that if i take a vehicle with no ecu of any kind and turn every light on, turn the radio all the way up "charge" the cigarette lighter, and plug my phone in assuming there is an infinite supply of fuel i could at some point stall the motor via load on the alternator
the alternator is always putting the engine under some minuscule amount of load as is the water pump mechanical fuel pump ac compressor power steering pump mechanical fans and the transmission if the alternator's magnetic pull was strong enough to affect the engine's rpm at all it would be such a small amount that its basically nonexistent and the energy is conserved by changing from mechanical to thermal and magnetic, the magnetic translating almost directly to electrical (which btw is how a solenoid works)
the alternator is always putting the engine under some minuscule amount of load as is the water pump mechanical fuel pump ac compressor power steering pump mechanical fans and the transmission if the alternator's magnetic pull was strong enough to affect the engine's rpm at all it would be such a small amount that its basically nonexistent and the energy is conserved by changing from mechanical to thermal and magnetic, the magnetic translating almost directly to electrical (which btw is how a solenoid works)
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ronyx (12/26/2015) [-] Wow, you seriously believe your own crap? I'm guessing everyone is wrong and the law of conservation of energy doesn't exist. Find me an engineer who actually believes your crap because I'm done with you. You bring no facts, but stuff you ASSUME and pull out of your ass. Science proves I'm right and obviously there is no science to back your claim, good luck living in a world with free energy.
I guess all my years working as a mechanic were just a dream and I don't know **** about cars, but some guy on FJ obviously knows more, huh who knew.
I guess all my years working as a mechanic were just a dream and I don't know **** about cars, but some guy on FJ obviously knows more, huh who knew.
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lukewarmpigeon (12/26/2015) [-] and i guess years of studying cars meant nothing, glad to know i wasted about 18 of my 22 years on this earth......i'll go kill myself now
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lukewarmpigeon (12/25/2015) [-] and in the case of starterless cars your original source of power is your arm because there is no battery or starter
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lukewarmpigeon (12/25/2015) [-] technically the battery, battery turns the starter- turning/starting the motor- turning the alternator. no battery and the car is a pile of rubber and metal
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AcidFlux (12/26/2015) [-] Never said you needed to have the engine running. Just like I don't need my laptop plugged into the wall to use it. That's how batteries work.
However:
Gasoline is required for a combustion engine to run.
The combustion engine powers the alternator.
The alternator charges the battery/powers electronics.
The battery powers the electronics when the alternator isn't active.
Unless you are charging your car battery using a separate method than the normal alternator, then the electricity created by the alternator or stored by the battery (other than it's initial charge at time of purchase), comes from the power of the combustion engine. Which is powered by gasoline.
Therefore, using the electronics of the car, powered by the battery/alternator, does cost gasoline.
However:
Gasoline is required for a combustion engine to run.
The combustion engine powers the alternator.
The alternator charges the battery/powers electronics.
The battery powers the electronics when the alternator isn't active.
Unless you are charging your car battery using a separate method than the normal alternator, then the electricity created by the alternator or stored by the battery (other than it's initial charge at time of purchase), comes from the power of the combustion engine. Which is powered by gasoline.
Therefore, using the electronics of the car, powered by the battery/alternator, does cost gasoline.
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kevinator ONLINE (12/26/2015) [-] If I go and start my car, leave everything off, the engine will turn at 850 rpm, if I turn everything on, it will still turn 850 rpm.
The alternator is running either I'm using all my electronics or not, the overcharges just get grounded to the frame of the car. so no, it wouldn't.
The alternator is running either I'm using all my electronics or not, the overcharges just get grounded to the frame of the car. so no, it wouldn't.
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AcidFlux (12/26/2015) [-] Once again:
A) It does use gasoline.
B) It is an incredibly minuscule amount, and you'd never notice through normal observation.
cartalk.cars.com/Columns/Archive/1992/August/09.html
A) It does use gasoline.
B) It is an incredibly minuscule amount, and you'd never notice through normal observation.
cartalk.cars.com/Columns/Archive/1992/August/09.html
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kevinator ONLINE (12/26/2015) [-] Your link send me to a blank page.
As said, it doesn't. the charge of your alternator doesn't change either you are using your electronics or not. it will remain at a 12-14 volts charge rate. The sprung rate of your alternator DO require gasoline to create its charge yes, but it spin if you're using them or not. So the activation of your electronics do not change anything to the gas consumption.
As said, it doesn't. the charge of your alternator doesn't change either you are using your electronics or not. it will remain at a 12-14 volts charge rate. The sprung rate of your alternator DO require gasoline to create its charge yes, but it spin if you're using them or not. So the activation of your electronics do not change anything to the gas consumption.
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AcidFlux (12/26/2015) [-] F = ma + (P0 +Tw)/v + mg(mcosq + sinq) + (rAf + m/x0)v2/2
Every extra load increases the power consumption of the alternator to maintain it's 'nominal' level. It is an extremely small percentage, but it exists.
Does adding a grain of said to a beach increase the size of the beach? Yes, but only by an incredibly small fraction. Same thing here. You're never going to notice the difference, but the difference does exist.
Every extra load increases the power consumption of the alternator to maintain it's 'nominal' level. It is an extremely small percentage, but it exists.
Does adding a grain of said to a beach increase the size of the beach? Yes, but only by an incredibly small fraction. Same thing here. You're never going to notice the difference, but the difference does exist.
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kevinator ONLINE (12/26/2015) [-] That does make sense, but here what I did yesterday:
I went and filled my car to full, drove an hour with no electronic on, ended up costing me 9,56 $, than I went back to the same road, with all my electronic on, went back to fuel up, 9,56 $. This amount is so small that it didn't even show up on even a liter or a cent worth of gas. So I this point, I might as well keep on saying that it doesn't consume gas given that the alternator probably produce a greater charge than what would be required to run all my electronics.
I went and filled my car to full, drove an hour with no electronic on, ended up costing me 9,56 $, than I went back to the same road, with all my electronic on, went back to fuel up, 9,56 $. This amount is so small that it didn't even show up on even a liter or a cent worth of gas. So I this point, I might as well keep on saying that it doesn't consume gas given that the alternator probably produce a greater charge than what would be required to run all my electronics.
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Einsty (12/25/2015) [-] I don't think that's correct, the alternator is connected to the engine via a belt directly. When the engine turns, so does the alternator.
But even if it were so, in order to roll a car downhill, you have to get it uphill first. That consumes fuel, moreso than driving on a level surface. This additional energy is then stored as potential energy, thanks to the gravity field. So even then you need fuel.
But even if it were so, in order to roll a car downhill, you have to get it uphill first. That consumes fuel, moreso than driving on a level surface. This additional energy is then stored as potential energy, thanks to the gravity field. So even then you need fuel.
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sherlockbatman ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-] no, you're right. I ****** up that sentence
alternators use gas, but they only strictly require movement to charge the battery.
also, it was implied that you'd either push the car up the hill or just already start at a higher elevation. "what goes up, must come down" only applies to things leaving the ground
alternators use gas, but they only strictly require movement to charge the battery.
also, it was implied that you'd either push the car up the hill or just already start at a higher elevation. "what goes up, must come down" only applies to things leaving the ground
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sherlockbatman ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-] **sherlockbatman used "*roll picture*"**
**sherlockbatman rolled image**
by that logic, literally everything uses fuel because time forces us to burn energy to exist while the gas in my car slowly oxidizes and spoils
******* reality, wasting all my fuel
shut off all this global warming, I don't have fuel to waste running the heater all day
stop entropy, I don't have the extra power to keep rendering things more complicated all the time.
**sherlockbatman rolled image**
by that logic, literally everything uses fuel because time forces us to burn energy to exist while the gas in my car slowly oxidizes and spoils
******* reality, wasting all my fuel
shut off all this global warming, I don't have fuel to waste running the heater all day
stop entropy, I don't have the extra power to keep rendering things more complicated all the time.
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bendingtimeisgood ONLINE (12/26/2015) [-] You're not describing black people, you're just describing twitter.
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anon (12/25/2015) [-]
Have you looked at interactions on that sort of site or just between people in general?
It's not just black people. There are people who are busy doing **** with themselves. And people with WAY too much free time and wind up focusing on all sorts of miniscule crap.
It's not just black people. There are people who are busy doing **** with themselves. And people with WAY too much free time and wind up focusing on all sorts of miniscule crap.
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alcoholicsemen (12/25/2015) [-] well we are seeing the a curated selection hand picked by op
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wellimnotsure (12/25/2015) [-] Ordered "No cheese light sausage" pretends they ****** up. Tries to profit, gets the door slammed in his face.
