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User avatar #15 - asasqw (12/22/2015) [-]
Considering the hard on the first order has for Luke and Jedi in general it would make sense they have an anti-Jedi troop class, it also seems to double as a crowd control unit since he has a riot shield he drops prior to engaging
User avatar #1 - jonnyfrosty (12/21/2015) [-]
Eh, I felt like that scene was kind of unnecessary actually
User avatar #16 to #1 - asasqw (12/22/2015) [-]
It is to establish them for when Phasma picks one up to fight <Insert Jedi Here>
User avatar #44 to #1 - mattdoggy (12/22/2015) [-]
TRAITOR
User avatar #32 to #1 - levvy (12/22/2015) [-]
The whole film was.
#2 to #1 - anon (12/21/2015) [-]
I thought it was a nice symbolic gesture of Finn choosing to fight the First Order by fighting off this guy with the lightsaber. Plus it was really cool
User avatar #5 to #1 - crutos ONLINE (12/21/2015) [-]
Finn can barely beat this stormtrooper in melee combat

Finn easily matches Kylo in light saber combat later in the movie

wut
User avatar #6 to #5 - mimisiku (12/21/2015) [-]
Finn gets cut the **** up by Kylo Ren. He fights him off for a second, but gets his ass kicked quickly.
User avatar #17 to #5 - asasqw (12/22/2015) [-]
Kylo tanked a bowcaster that thing that blew people back like 6 feet when it hit shot the kidney so he isn't at his peak, and I imagine killing Solo also had him unfocused with that "I can feel the light tempting me" thing
User avatar #35 to #17 - langweilig (12/22/2015) [-]
thank you. chewie ****** kylo up and no on seems to remember that. kylo is going to be a beast though. han was the only one who could bring him back to the light. game over. rey vs kylo is going to be epic
User avatar #42 to #35 - thefourthdirective (12/22/2015) [-]
I think Luke is going to tell him that Darth Vader turned against the dark side in the end and he will be swayed towards the light
User avatar #46 to #42 - langweilig (12/23/2015) [-]
ohhhh yeah good thinking didn't think of that but I could def see that happening
#27 to #5 - fatorange (12/22/2015) [-]
By "matches" do you mean blocking a few blows and getting beat in like 1 minute
#18 to #5 - crlmsonhazard (12/22/2015) [-]
Use spoiler tags, you **** . You could have ruined somebody's filmgoing experience
#45 to #18 - mrwalkerfour (12/22/2015) [-]
>reading through comments on a new star wars related post, before you've seen the movie

#7 to #5 - anon (12/21/2015) [-]
Well put it this way, Storm troopers are ment to be mindless drones. That is the point of the Empire who commands millions of worlds. They aren't supposed to be special individual snowflakes. The only reason cloned troopers vary is because compared to the Clone Wars and the Empire. The Empire is far more vast; Requires more soldiers to maintain. If you understand how cloning works. Well; Cloning a clone is bad. Its like inbreeding. Which is why there is some variety in clones gene pool.

With that said; Storm troopers in the lore are not blundering morons. They actually kick a whole lot of ass because of Training and Genetic Engineering. The joke is the reason they miss so much in the movies is partly because they do it on purpose so they can track rebels back to their base of operations.

I wouldn't be surprised if there are plenty of Storm Troopers than can go toe to toe with a Jedi or a Sith seeing how Mandolorians hunt force users as a blood sport.
User avatar #9 to #7 - angelious (12/21/2015) [-]
>comparing mandalorians to storm troopers

just no...mandalorians were a cut above them..
#14 to #9 - anon (12/22/2015) [-]
that's not true actually. most of the training they recieve was based on mando'a combat arts.
User avatar #31 to #14 - subaqueousreach ONLINE (12/22/2015) [-]
I'm sorry, but your average Mandalorian could go toe to toe with a Jedi Knight in the Old Republic. Storm troopers ain't got **** on Mandalorians.
User avatar #28 to #14 - angelious (12/22/2015) [-]
based =/= the same thing.
User avatar #38 to #5 - bigbeaufort ONLINE (12/22/2015) [-]
Let's remember Finn was trained as a storm trooper prior to deserting. I assume there is a potential to match his strength and beat him without much melee combat training.

Kylo was a punk little bitch that was panicking in his fight with Finn. It's probably easy to lose your composure when you aren't military trained and are worried about dying.
#40 to #5 - anon (12/22/2015) [-]
Kylo Ren is also hurt form a ******* crossbow blaster shot to the gut. Git gud or dont comment
#21 to #5 - lagbot ONLINE (12/22/2015) [-]
kylo ren is supposed to suck, and he was injured
User avatar #26 to #21 - iambartichello (12/22/2015) [-]
makes me wonder how on earth he killed of an entire school of jedi. if his sword skills suck so bad at least some of the jedi in training should have been able to hold him off.
#33 to #26 - haedshot (12/22/2015) [-]
which brings me to my theory that rey might be one of luke skywalker's students, but of course that could be easily debunked with kylo ren not recognizing her
User avatar #29 to #26 - subaqueousreach ONLINE (12/22/2015) [-]
Trickery, the jedi were still in training, and the fact that he didn't have a huge hole in his stomach
#20 to #5 - pariahlol (12/22/2015) [-]
Spoilers if by easily match, you mean, barely manages to avoid getting chopped up, and then does. Kylo obviously isn't very proficient with a saber either. Also, you can take into account that this fight with the storm trooper was quite literally the first time he had ever fought with it, at least when he got to Kylo he had a little more experience.
#3 to #1 - anon (12/21/2015) [-]
I would disagree, I think it further illustrates that Stormtroopers aren't mindless clones anymore. They are capable of emotions and holding grudges...that helps fill out Finn's backstory and further legitimizes the entire premise of a former stormtroopers as a hero.
User avatar #4 to #3 - ubercookieboy (12/21/2015) [-]
I've not watched the Star Wars movies since Ep.1, but I thought the Stormtroopers were MEANT to be faceless, emotionless clones
User avatar #8 to #4 - angelious (12/21/2015) [-]
thats clone troopers. clone troopers =/= storm troopers. while yes, in universe storm troopers were trained to be the very best and the most feared military force in the galaxy, they still are people and they still have emotions and **** .
User avatar #11 to #10 - angelious (12/21/2015) [-]
has nothing to do with the discussion. which was "do stormtroopers have emotions" which they do, as they are normal people in universe. not clones. tho i do understand what you mean.
User avatar #12 to #11 - ubercookieboy (12/21/2015) [-]
I just think it draws the focus of attention away from the relevant characters
User avatar #13 to #12 - angelious (12/21/2015) [-]
the main character in the new star wars was supposed to be a stormtrooper i believe..so i dont really see how.
#24 - feratrox (12/22/2015) [-]
Honestly, I think this should have been Phasma. Seriously, they introduce her as this kickass general, all mysterious and **** , and thusfar she's done nothing. She knew Finn, so why not let her fight him? This is just some guy. I'd like to see Phasma get a role like Tommy Lee Jones in The Fugitive, doing everything to hunt down the deserter.
And by the way, that weapon kicks ass and I want one.
User avatar #25 to #24 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (12/22/2015) [-]
because this scene serves to show how brainwashed the First Order stormtroopers are, as the guy is willing to unleash havoc upon his once close comrade. Phasma probably doesn't even give a **** about the lives of her subordinates.
#30 to #25 - feratrox (12/22/2015) [-]
but were they close comrades? this guy immediately recognizes Finn as an ex-storm trooper but how? did they even see each other's faces? Phasma got pretty pissed when Finn took off his helmet, so I kinda assumed none of them ever saw each other without helmets. to prevent companionship and promote loss of identity and stuff. as far as we know, Phasma was the only one who ever saw his face...
User avatar #48 to #30 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-]
they don't always wear the helmets, they have to eat and shower and stuff. There has to be a stormtrooper barracks somewhere where they can rest.
User avatar #43 to #30 - gibroner (12/22/2015) [-]
she was pissed because he took it off without permission it's highly unlikely that they just never take off their helmets or armor
#34 to #30 - haedshot (12/22/2015) [-]
maybe during training? the first order storm troopers are conscripted while they are children
User avatar #41 to #24 - yeoldsnipermissile (12/22/2015) [-]
Did you say Boba Fett?
User avatar #47 to #24 - asasqw (12/23/2015) [-]
She would have killed him with it at his first **** up. Its given to a random so it is established for when she picks one up to fight ray/luke in episode 8/9
#23 - jslak (12/22/2015) [-]
#39 - imjared (12/22/2015) [-]
traitor
User avatar #37 - venegal (12/22/2015) [-]
I'm glad someone agrees with me!
User avatar #19 - creamymcgee (12/22/2015) [-]
I wish there was build up to this guy. Like other storm troopers running away when they see Finn with a lightsaber and calling for this guy to come over to kick some ass.
User avatar #36 to #19 - kuchikirukia (12/22/2015) [-]
I'm not sure if it could've been done better. I mean, so the Jedi are all dead (again) except for Luke Skywalker, who hasn't been seen in years. So why is this guy lugging around a huge anti-lightsaber log as his secondary weapon? Finn had just gotten the saber so you can't write him in as thought he was there specifically to defeat Finn.
You don't really want to emphasize a scene with a glaring plot hole. "He's there. Short fight. Done. Don't think about it. Wasn't important." You can turn off your brain, enjoy the scene, and move on. Try to make it any bigger and you just raise him into the horrible "Star Wars Prequel villain" range.

So basically it was brilliant writing/editing to keep the scene short and contained.
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