Battle of Halbe. On the 2nd Alinea the 13th Army needs to be 12th ARMY.. Battle of Halie Walther Wedck Theodor Busse The Battle of Halie, fought in 1945 in the  Battle of Halbe On the 2nd Alinea 13th Army needs to be 12th ARMY Halie Walther Wedck Theodor Busse The fought in 1945
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Battle of Halbe

Battle of Halbe. On the 2nd Alinea the 13th Army needs to be 12th ARMY.. Battle of Halie Walther Wedck Theodor Busse The Battle of Halie, fought in 1945 in the

On the 2nd Alinea the 13th Army needs to be 12th ARMY.

Battle of Halie
Walther Wedck Theodor Busse
The Battle of Halie, fought in 1945 in the last days of the
Third Reich by the tth army and 13th army of the german
General Walther Wedck and Genetal Theodor Busse both
made a plan to surrender to the west, by opening a corridor
from berlin Northan rds trough the ring of Soviets around
The tth and 11th Army managed to regroup in Berlin through
fierce fighting, one regrouped they had numerous attempts to
push Northan rds like a r, 2 attempts failed, the rrd
though, succeeded.
Heavy fighting results in heavy lossed on both sides, with a
number of 210, 000 German soldiers breaking through 280, 000
Soviet troops the managed to create a corridor from Central
Berlin through the Halie and send Civilians and soldiers Northan rds.
On the 28th of April around 25, 000 Civilians and troops
managed to surrender to the west, remnants of the tth and
11th Army, which have been split, continued fighting through
the corridor attempting to surrender to West, Because of the
fear with what the Soviets would do to them.
Walther Wedck and Theodor Busse ignored
Adolf Hitler' s his orders, instead making a
plan for their soldiers and German citizens to
surrender to the West instead of being Raped,
thrown into Gulags or getting killed by the
These 2 men are good guys, they did what
they had to do, defend their people.
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User avatar #2 - ullapool
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(06/18/2014) [-]
Sabaton - Hearts of Iron (Lyrics) Sabaton made a song about that
User avatar #12 to #2 - angelious
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sabaton has made a lot of songs based on ww2 era soldiers
#24 to #2 - taurusguy
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**** that little **** that defended Russia in the comments, i cant comment on youtube, but who the **** thinks Russia wasnt worse than Germany? Sure Germany killed a lot, but Russia blocked off an entire country, starved the country. Some Baltic countries were in the hands of Russians one day the other Germans, Russians were worse.
User avatar #26 to #24 - ullapool
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Now I live in Estonia, a country that once was under the Soviet Union, now I wasn't alive back then, but from what I have been told I got the impression that we suffered from both sides very heavily, but because the Soviet rule lasted longer, I could say from my impressions that Soviet times were worse.

Now we were against everyone who tried to stop us from getting our independence, but some things I was told from the Soviet times was that the stores were often empty, the shelves completely devoid of products, the only way you could get something of better quality was to know the store clerks or get a RARE visit from a friend who lives abroad.

Then there were the mass deportations and censorship. Everyone who they believed to be against the Soviet Union they put on a train and sent to forced labor camps or they imprisoned. That went especially the Estonian politicians and newspaper people.

In schools there were pictures of Soviet leaders and their quotes everywhere. And students who didn't agree with their ideals were either punished heavily or kicked out of school. Ofc there were some school staff members who also didn't quite agree with their leaders, but that was kept hush-hush.
#27 to #26 - taurusguy
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No eks ma Eestit selle all enamjaolt mõtlesingi.
User avatar #28 to #27 - ullapool
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Oi kurat, sa eestlane?
#29 to #28 - taurusguy
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Ei ma kasutan google translatei (muidugi olen)
#7 to #2 - skullball
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Thumb for Sabaton!
#6 - anon id: 2e6d2b39
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(06/19/2014) [-]
This sounds like it inspired Inglourious Basterds.
#9 to #6 - aabbccddeeffgghhii
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(06/19/2014) [-]
Did you know that in actual fact, inglorious bastards is loosely based on a real life event called the Second World War?

Not many people know about it so quentin tarantino changed the story a little bit to make it more interesting to the modern day audience!
#23 to #9 - anon id: 20a92a71
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you fell for my bait, nice
User avatar #30 to #23 - aabbccddeeffgghhii
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Sure, acting like a ******* moron is obviously "bait."
#11 - testaburger
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User avatar #13 to #11 - leeuwenborgh [OP]
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I know .. I've been very sloppy
User avatar #21 - ShadeElement
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The Soviet's raped and pillaged their way east. The Soviet soldiers themselves were treated like ****. Soviet citizens were even more expendable. How they treated others was even worse.

The Brits and American's carpet bombed countless men, women and children and elderly. Huddled in their homes. Terrified, defenseless, and innocent.

The Japanese where inhuman in their treatment of the Chinese, and we wouldn't treat an animal the way they treated their captives. Of all the atrocities committed by the Nazi's, they don't hold a candle to the pure creativity and sadism of the Japanese.

Then of course you have the Nazi's. Who, although well deserving of the bad publicity, weren't particularly more guilty of war crimes than the others.

Basically, it was a **** time to be alive. War is hell. Fear, fanaticism, and desperation bring out the monsters inside people.

If I were a German would I prefer to be captured by the Western forces? No doubt. My odds of human treatment were drastically better. But all sides had blood on their hands. There were no white knights. Just lesser degrees of evil. Even if it were necessary evil.
User avatar #22 to #21 - ShadeElement
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Edit: soviets went west, not east. Typo.
User avatar #31 to #22 - repostforlife
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you are forgetting about the Canadians, we pretty much were more feared then the brits OR the yanks. also we did it with HONOR
User avatar #14 - betars
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>good guys

>Incompetent generaling led to 210 000 Wehrmacht casualties
>In 1945, most of those soldiers are conscripts and civilians

Not very good, then.
User avatar #15 to #14 - leeuwenborgh [OP]
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> Ignoring Hitler's orders for their own good sakes and knowing the cons of it.

It had to be done, what other way out was there ?
User avatar #16 to #15 - betars
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It's hard to define "good" when there isn't a definition of it, especially when Communism is on your side.
User avatar #18 to #14 - deathweaver
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There were about 40,000 killed, but 120,000 were captured, 210,000 Wehrmacht was the original number of soldiers that took part in the operation.
In 1945 alot of the Wehrmacht's soldiers were conscripts and civilians because most of the Wehrmacht got annihilated at the Soviet Counter-offensive, so as a result they had to draft most males within the recruiting age, and at this point in the war, the Wehrmacht were probably just picking them off the streets and giving them a gun and uniform.
And yes, there were a lot of casualties, but they managed to save 25,000 people, and the alternative was die by the Soviets at Berlin anyway.
User avatar #10 - ostemad
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Doesn't necessarily mean they are good guys. They love their own people that's true, but how many slav civilians did they kill while plowing through the east front prior to halbe..
User avatar #17 to #10 - sciencexplain
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I'm pretty sure you would kill people to save your family and loved ones. It makes no difference. The love of those you care for triumphs that of the unknown.
User avatar #19 to #17 - ostemad
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Good deeds doesn't erase bad ones. If i killed a man, and his family came after me and my family for revenge. Then protecting my family is the right thing to do, but it doesn't mean i'm a good guy.
User avatar #20 to #19 - sciencexplain
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Of course not, because you killed the man for no reason. That's a ****** comparison, though. They saved THOUSANDS of lives at the cost of their own, simply because the people they saved had done nothing wrong and even if the 2 were the worst sinners in the world, their sins would be cleansed in the form of redemption. A bit religious, but the idea that more lives are lived that way is the commonly accepted one.
User avatar #25 to #20 - ostemad
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I'm nazi germany and the man is russia. I Invade, kill, rape(no homo), scorched earth - russian revenge. We are not discussing wether or not they did the right thing. Think we both agree that it was right. But again, it doesn't erase bad deeds. A national socialist saving his own people doesn't necessarily make him a good guy.
#1 - schnizel
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(06/18/2014) [-]
Why should we stay and fight? Lets pull back our armed forces and give up and get genocided by the Americans insted of the Soviets. Good job. We shure did save all those German women from being raped and all those men from being killed by the Soviets. Good job Wenck, good job Busse, great ******* job you two.
#3 to #1 - anon id: 76920f1d
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>western faggots being worse than the soviets

I hate both but then the western allies were still the lesser of two evils at the end of the day if you think of it.
User avatar #5 to #3 - schnizel
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A million Germans were genocided in death camps after WW2, damn right the Allies suck ass.
#4 to #3 - anon id: ffde3e92
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"lesser of two evils" Yes, because the Berlin airlift was so immoral. I'm so sorry my country helped rebuild Germany after the war. We ignorant americans really need to learn our place.
#8 to #4 - anon id: 5887a317
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Implying the only reason america joined the was wasn't MUH HARBOUR.

Implying you would have given a flying **** if germany won otherwise.

Implying murik didn't take part of the post war 6 gorrillion propaganda and did not participate in marching german civilians at gun point thru the "death camps" telling then that it was all "their" fault, as part of the de-nazification program.(still better than what the russian ******** did to all the eastern countries tho).

Implying the rest of the western allies aren't pieces of **** for sacrificing the east to the commie ******* (that basically pillaged most countries they passed thru)as long as they were ok.

Also of course you ******* helped "restore" germany post war.The allies wanted to be 100% sure they didn't **** up like in world war 1 and let germans continue hating them while slowly regaining strength.