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Why is Fidel Castro so often seen as such a
villain and Che Guevara seen as such a
hero when they worked side by side on the
same campaign?
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Folks, I have now removed five different comments containing
nothing but the quote "You either die a hero or live long enough
to become the villain." This is not an acceptable answer on
please stop posting it.
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User avatar #1 - wellimnotsure (10/18/2015) [-]
I really don't get why people idolize che, he was a cold blooded murderer with no redeeming factors. Is it just because of the beret?
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#85 to #1 - anon (10/19/2015) [-]
Someone may have said this but...

Straight up, because he's hot. Also he's seen with that defiant pose, and also because most people have no idea what her really did.
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User avatar #93 to #1 - jettom ONLINE (10/19/2015) [-]
Grandma said he was good in bed.
I dunno.
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User avatar #6 to #1 - angelious (10/18/2015) [-]
he was actually pretty decent guy. he really believed in the idea of communism, unlike stalin,fidel etc. and didnt try to seize power like castro did.

he worked everyday of the week in his office desk job in cuba, and then during weekends he went to help farms,he also was extremely charismatic and apparently was polite fellow(although some cases make him look like a tad arrogant fellow...but those are often handwawed as miss translations) and best of all, instead of solidifying his power in cuba, he actually went out to try and fight for the communist revolution in other countries. a fact that lead to his doom(as well as one of the most memorable dying words)


tl:dr: people just see him as a foreman to the "true" communistic movement.
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User avatar #80 to #6 - trollyando (10/19/2015) [-]
Hitler hated animal cruelty, that doesn't make him a nice person.

Che was a glorified executioner, he commanded the execution of many innocent people on cuba, he even did some of the executions himself.

He was with communism, and he gave no mercy to anyone who was even a part of cuban capitalism, causing the dead of many innocent wealthy people on cuba, whose only crime was try to defend their legacy.
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User avatar #117 to #80 - angelious (10/19/2015) [-]
and you are just ignoring his good parts to focus on the bad parts.


also using hitler as a counter argument is kind fallacious due to theory of high enough numbers...
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#133 to #117 - emotep (10/19/2015) [-]
Yea well we call him "Ted Bundy the serial killer". Not "Ted Bundy the guy who was pretty good at math". That is just how the world works.
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User avatar #135 to #133 - angelious (10/19/2015) [-]
except that che was not defined by his murder account. ted bundy was mainly a murderer. che was mainly a freedom fighter.
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User avatar #149 to #135 - tinkotin (10/19/2015) [-]
... and a murderer..
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#156 to #149 - anon (10/19/2015) [-]
well, so were the allied forces during world war 2, or alle of the soldiers during the american civil war.
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User avatar #159 to #156 - tinkotin (10/19/2015) [-]
yeah but the difference between a poor schmuck that ended up being a soldier in any war and che is that the soldier had little choice and was fighting for something he didn't necessarily believe in, che was doing it all because he wanted to
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User avatar #167 to #117 - niggastolemyname (10/19/2015) [-]
>>#118 nails it on the head. By now you should start to see why people question his method
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User avatar #166 to #117 - niggastolemyname (10/19/2015) [-]
That's a **** rebuttal. Now unless you're gonna go and prove that he didn't kill people in the name of communism get the **** out.
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User avatar #168 to #166 - angelious (10/19/2015) [-]
he went to ******* war for communism. ofcourse he killed people >>


did he kill 20 million people? did he start an ethnic cleansing? did he start a world war? was he planning on killing everybody not white,blonde haired tall people from the world?

if not, then comparing him to hitler is stupid.
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#169 to #168 - niggastolemyname (10/19/2015) [-]
My point was that it's wrong to kill people solely for being wealthy, not that it's comparable to what hitler did. And besides, trollyando was talking about how somebody that overall does bad things can still can still be on the good side of certain things. Specifically that though Che didn't take advantage of the revolution to gain power, the innocent lives taken by his hand, however few, was too extreme. Again, whether it be 1 or 2 million lives taken (specifically those that were simply wealthy, and not totally evil themselves). That still means the person who did so is a criminal.
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User avatar #171 to #169 - angelious (10/19/2015) [-]
thats not a strawman. also: comparing to hitler is just trying to make the opposite look bad.or in other terms. worse than they are, he is the most vilified human being in the world,so lumping people in with him is an easy way to make your own point look good. im not claiming he was a saint. but i am however saddened by how people like him, who in the end of things;fought for what he believed to be for the good of the people, and really was an all around decent chap, gets vilified to a point he is just seen as a "murderer" and sociopath.
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User avatar #173 to #171 - niggastolemyname (10/19/2015) [-]
At this point you're just saying you're correct because you think you're correct. circularlogic I pointed out what flaws there were in your argument...
also i mean >>#72, not 118. 72 is what i was talking about in >>#167
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User avatar #179 to #173 - angelious (10/20/2015) [-]
72 has a point, except he fails to mention that these dictatorships were hardly created by him. as anybody who has read history should know, he left cuba before it became a dictatorship; in order to fight for communism in other countries.

and no..not really, you claim i did a strawman despite the fact i just pointed out how comparing him to hitler is a false analogy,you think his overall achievements and personality is irrelevant since he fought in wars and killed people. and you also try to attribute the acts of other people and blame them on him.not to mention the propaganda in some of the stuff you have listed that is on par with prager's


and at this point, you arent even trying to argue my point. you are just trying to argue that you won :/
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#72 to #6 - innocentbabies (10/19/2015) [-]
Yes, well the road to hell is paved with good intentions. The utopian societies he sought are a far cry from the dictatorships that his revolutions established.
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#118 to #72 - anon (10/19/2015) [-]
Exactly. The problem is human nature. If society was a term paper we would all be skipping through fields eating lollypops. Unfortunately when a person ascends to a powerful position, they like it a lot and want to use it, because they can.
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User avatar #137 to #118 - Shiny ONLINE (10/19/2015) [-]
Any idea can be made real with enough effort (assuming the laws of physics aren't an obstacle). It's simply a matter of opinion whether it is worth it.

"Human nature" is what people used to justify feudalism before the transition to capital.
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User avatar #139 to #6 - lean (10/19/2015) [-]
Yeah, between that and executing prisoners on the spot and the capture, torture, and murder of civilians as an intimidation tactic, he was a great guy. Defectors were shot. Deserters were shot. Soldiers who went AWOL were tracked down by hit squads and shot. Soldiers accused of being spies were shot without any burden of proof. He is described as having an unnatural detachment towards violence, combined with exceptional charisma and diplomacy. More than likely a sociopath. Good guy though.
Kellner, Douglas (1989). Ernesto "Che" Guevara (World Leaders Past & Present). Chelsea House
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User avatar #140 to #139 - angelious (10/19/2015) [-]
except last time i checked che didnt murder civilians. having the support of the population was critical for the success of the cuban revolution. i am also inclined to call ******** on the hit squad being che's creation and approved.
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User avatar #141 to #140 - lean (10/19/2015) [-]
*correction: civilians who supported the batista regime. The guerrilla war games during the cuban revolution were some of the most brutal in modern history, on par with vietnam, though not the same scale. The US trade embargo originally cutting off arms to the cuban government probably saved the lives of tens of thousands of civilians. This was a primarily a civilian on civilian campaign, anyone caught and thought to be a spy or "traitor" by one side or another was questioned and executed by both sides. Che wrote a book about the first execution "Death of a Traitor", a friend of the cause who acted as a guide then sold their position for 10,000 pesos. Che personally shot him in the head after he confessed.
The book I cited should be in a public library near you. Pretty credible source, was used for college history courses for a number of years.
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User avatar #142 to #141 - angelious (10/19/2015) [-]
that sounds more reasonable.
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User avatar #7 to #6 - martiortiftw ONLINE (10/18/2015) [-]
"I´d rather die standing than live on my knees"
Prefiero morir de pie que vivir arrodillado
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#14 to #7 - anon (10/18/2015) [-]
That was Emiliano Zapata who said that bro
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#40 to #14 - comradewinter ONLINE (10/19/2015) [-]
Funny thing with words is that multiple people can say the same thing.
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User avatar #9 to #7 - angelious (10/18/2015) [-]
"shoot, you are only going to kill a man"


also i would rather live on my feet than die on my knees.
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User avatar #10 to #9 - martiortiftw ONLINE (10/18/2015) [-]
you got it mixed up, hed rather die fighting than live under the opression, that makes more sense
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User avatar #12 to #10 - angelious (10/18/2015) [-]
and the second part was rise againts.
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#59 to #12 - reginleif ONLINE (10/19/2015) [-]
**reginleif used "*roll picture*"**
**reginleif rolled image** :/ I like their music but that quote was such ******** .

When fighting oppression your options literally are die or live, then these guys put in option 3. Geeze I'd love to live too you know?
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User avatar #116 to #59 - angelious (10/19/2015) [-]
actually the quote is more about how standing up to useless causes(in this case i think the quote was from a man helping to free italy from ww2 fasict reign..i dont know the details) will just leave you dying on your knees for something fleeting(in this case to save a country,despite the fact that countries rise and die in a blink of an eye and only thing that really matters are the people)
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User avatar #11 to #10 - angelious (10/18/2015) [-]
im talking about his last words.

that he said when he was being executed.

en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Che_Guevara#Last_Words_.28Oct_9.2C_1967.29
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#178 to #9 - theraudone (10/20/2015) [-]
Aiiii, I get the reference. Some Catch.
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#107 to #7 - theraudone (10/19/2015) [-]
You have it backwards. I'd rather live on my feet than die on my knees.
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User avatar #174 to #107 - martiortiftw ONLINE (10/20/2015) [-]
#10
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#177 to #174 - theraudone (10/20/2015) [-]
I was referencing a novel, 'Catch-22'. What it means is it's better to live without fighting the oppression than it is to die on your knees begging, or being executed.
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User avatar #175 to #174 - martiortiftw ONLINE (10/20/2015) [-]
i dont know how to quiote other comments, but i think it is right because he'd rather die fighting thasn die under the opression
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User avatar #176 to #175 - martiortiftw ONLINE (10/20/2015) [-]
live under the opression*
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#147 to #6 - sesshii (10/19/2015) [-]
He killed gays and black people with his own hands. He had his followers/soldiers line them up as he shot them in the head.

Yeah, you are right. He is a foreman to the true communist movement.
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User avatar #148 to #147 - angelious (10/19/2015) [-]
he was rasict.

and a soldier in war killing people. what a surprise...
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User avatar #144 to #1 - baditch (10/19/2015) [-]
People want to be edgy
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#160 to #1 - veryfahnyjokes (10/19/2015) [-]
He was also hung as ****
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#23 to #1 - anon (10/19/2015) [-]
maybe it was his poems?
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#91 to #1 - anon (10/19/2015) [-]
le class war
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#8 to #1 - hassoutobi (10/18/2015) [-]
He was hot.
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#29 to #1 - anon (10/19/2015) [-]
Planet of the Apes was a fine picture tho that's why
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User avatar #152 to #1 - wellimnotsure (10/19/2015) [-]
I really thought this would be reddened to death, I was wrong
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#88 to #1 - limberlarry (10/19/2015) [-]
Che is idolized because he perfectly captures the "revolutionary" ideal so many young people want to identify with, he is easy to see as a noble martyr who died fighting tyranny etc etc etc. Fidel on the other hand is the uncomfortable reality of what happens when people like Che succeed, and its far easier to just vilify the man than reflect critically on the realities of your ideals
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#92 to #1 - revisempai (10/19/2015) [-]
castro wore beret's to.
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User avatar #103 to #92 - thelexus (10/19/2015) [-]
Handsome guy
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User avatar #3 to #1 - mrwalkerfour (10/18/2015) [-]
because he was an enemy of the US, so all the rebel kids who were anti establishment idolized him so theyd look edgy and cool

"ooo look at us we idolize a man who is hated by the US"
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User avatar #4 to #3 - wellimnotsure (10/18/2015) [-]
I mean, he didn't just hate america. He hated that other people had been able to exploit people before him. That's the foundation of communism, we are on the bottom but we want to be on the top, but we want to make people like us first.
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User avatar #76 to #1 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (10/19/2015) [-]
also he was both racist and homophobic
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User avatar #115 to #76 - llpanic (10/19/2015) [-]
Are you seriously saying this here, where every other posts is some guy unironically calling black people *******
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User avatar #120 to #115 - krobeles (10/19/2015) [-]
I find it humerous how you believe people to be serious when commenting. Not "HaHa" humerous. More like the kind of humerous you'de find it when a dude attempts to give himself a blowjob but snaps his own spine in the process, leaving his infant children to starve, then decay, in their cribs.
I find it tragic, is what I'm trying to say. I find you to be a tragic individual.
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#123 to #120 - llpanic (10/19/2015) [-]
i dun get it
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User avatar #77 to #76 - wellimnotsure (10/19/2015) [-]
most communists are
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User avatar #108 to #77 - cptsweatpants (10/19/2015) [-]
Couldn't be more wrong.
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#128 to #76 - anon (10/19/2015) [-]
Actually. No, the "negros need bling" quote was something he said when he was young. **** he even went to Negroland to start a communist revolution
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#109 to #1 - anon (10/19/2015) [-]
Its funny, I've heard so many people talking about Che, his murders, and so on. I've never seen a single shred of evidence - propaganda works, and its subtle. But its there.
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User avatar #136 to #109 - lean (10/19/2015) [-]
Maybe you should read any book about Che and the cuban revolution. He more or less invented the idea of summary execution.
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#154 to #136 - anon (10/19/2015) [-]
yes because that didnt happen before che...
thats sarcasm, you dumb ****
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User avatar #155 to #154 - lean (10/19/2015) [-]
>>#139, Sure it was, but during the revolution they couldn't take prisoners and continue a guerrilla style combat so prisoners were often shot after surrendering/ capture. Also according to Raul Castro trials "took too long".

Aggressive anger is the mark of the ignorant. Read a ******* book you scrub.
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#145 to #1 - ordog (10/19/2015) [-]
Because he was a symbol of the people standing up to dictatorship and terror. He was a key element for the overthrow of batistas government, and a central part of the latin america's identity of the time. He is now basically just a symbol for angsty teenage "communists". Of course he wasn't the greatest human being but take into account that this was a war and ****** up stuff has to happen in a war, I mean how on earth would a poor guerrilla be successful if it has to take care of prisoners of war.
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#71 to #1 - anon (10/19/2015) [-]
**anonymous used "*roll picture*"**
**anonymous rolled image** Cuz murder is cool.
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User avatar #46 to #1 - thesoulless ONLINE (10/19/2015) [-]
He really wasn't. He devoted his entire life to helping disadvantaged people in one way or another. Sure, he may have killed quite a few people, but that tends to happen when you're fighting a war.
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#13 to #1 - anon (10/18/2015) [-]
Cold blooded murderer....
You say that from the relative safety of your basement... Having never fought for anything or stood for very much
He's a symbol of resistance
But **** you
You probably think bush was a 'great' president you piece of ****
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User avatar #15 to #13 - wellimnotsure (10/18/2015) [-]
Hey guys look, 4chan is here!
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#19 to #15 - anon (10/18/2015) [-]
That's not even 4chan. That's just some edgy teen who has Che's head on their shirt and thinking they know everything.
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User avatar #35 to #15 - jewbob (10/19/2015) [-]
/pol/ hates commies.
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User avatar #36 to #35 - wellimnotsure (10/19/2015) [-]
Quiet Jew
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#68 to #36 - innocentbabies (10/19/2015) [-]
What's wrong with that?
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#48 to #15 - anon (10/19/2015) [-]
>4chan

>starting "cant stump the trump"

>liking che


pick one faggot.



also your profile pic is cancerous
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User avatar #50 to #48 - wellimnotsure (10/19/2015) [-]
another one, how quaint
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User avatar #24 to #15 - creamymcgee (10/19/2015) [-]
I'm pretty sure there is very few people that idolize Che on 4chan. Reddit or Tumblr on the other hand...
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User avatar #25 to #24 - wellimnotsure (10/19/2015) [-]
That wasn't the point. It's that that reads like a ******* 4chan post if anyone has ever been seen all he's missing are the greater than signs
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User avatar #26 to #25 - creamymcgee (10/19/2015) [-]
Are you sure you've never been to 4chan?
We don't type like this
Most people never use ellipses on 4chan
And we quote people with our ebin meme arrows rather than echo people.

It kind of stupid to equate one retard to a whole website by the way he typed something.
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User avatar #21 to #13 - platinumaltaria ONLINE (10/18/2015) [-]
You can resist without being a murderer.
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#28 to #13 - thesecretbear (10/19/2015) [-]
You could have actually made a good point, but you had to go full anon there, anon.
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#69 to #28 - innocentbabies (10/19/2015) [-]
Nah, there's no point to make. Anyone who idolizes Che just hasn't read enough about him.
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User avatar #82 to #69 - javertshat (10/19/2015) [-]
Anyone who doesn't idolize Che hasn't read enough about him
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#39 to #13 - anon (10/19/2015) [-]
lol @ the people mindlessly thumbing this down instead of actually considering that there may or may not be a good reason to someone think of che as a hero
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User avatar #84 to #13 - serrikari (10/19/2015) [-]
Bush was **** .
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#31 to #1 - anon (10/19/2015) [-]
He sells T-shirts, that's why.
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#33 to #31 - fluttergrey (10/19/2015) [-]
Here you go anon, hope you find this comment well. If not then you probably should've made an account.
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#34 to #33 - anon (10/19/2015) [-]
I've been a lurker for years, no need for accounts just yet. But thanks baby doll, I owe ya one! That song's so good. Have a listen to this one
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SakOHtq9crc
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#158 to #1 - anon (10/19/2015) [-]
People like him, because he's a symbol of revolution.
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User avatar #49 to #1 - elsenortamatoe (10/19/2015) [-]
USA demonized Castro because he worked with the soviets. Che didnt let them put missiles in his country
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#131 to #1 - anon (10/19/2015) [-]
He was also extremely bigoted, and racist.
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#104 to #1 - anon (10/19/2015) [-]
Every single American president since ******* Teddy Roosevelt was a cold blooded murderer. Most of the founding fathers had slaves. These things don't hinder these people from being idolized.

As for calling Che a murder here is a quote on the subject, orginally from an /r/askhistory post "I would say that the answer here depends upon your conception of the charge of murder. Is killing a soldier in battle or an agent of the government you are at war with considered murder? Is the death penalty murder? Is shooting deserters, traitors, murderers, or rapists within your own ranks murder? If you answer yes to any of these, you may call Guevara a murderer. If you answer no, I would argue that there is no evidence to accuse Guevara of murder."


To say that he has no redeeming factors is probably true if you are a very big fan of icome inequality and the bourgeois. He didn't fight all his life so he could get some pussy. He wanted to help poor people to get a better life by revolting against a system where all the wealth and power is controlled by a very small number of people.

I think that there is no argument that the Castro government in Cuba has been much better for almost everyone than the previous fascist Batista regime
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User avatar #170 to #104 - niggastolemyname (10/19/2015) [-]
>be you
>che isn't a murderer
>Every single American president since ******* Teddy Roosevelt was a cold blooded murderer.
(this anon very obviously is biased if he can't distinguish american presidents protecting the common good of the US and Che)
>because killing a soldier in battle or an agent of the government you are at war with, executing the death penalty, shooting deserters, traitors, murderers, or rapists within your own ranks isn't murder
>implying that isn't what those presidents oversaw (you know, even though the US millitary is way more fair when it comes to POWs and deserters is most cases)
>pulling a quote that excludes talk about whether it's right to kill everyone rich just because you're at war with the ones that are unjustly bourgeois.

And to ******* think people read this and believed it enough to thumb it up.
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#2 to #1 - electrictroll ONLINE (10/18/2015) [-]
It was a pretty sweet beret.
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User avatar #5 - inquisition (10/18/2015) [-]
Che isn't seen as a hero, he just took a very good photo which ironically became a poignant symbol of consumerism, something he fought against.
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#18 - almightysausage (10/18/2015) [-]
Che was a womanizing badass, doesn't matter if he killed a couple kongos.
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User avatar #121 to #18 - reapermaster (10/19/2015) [-]
beat on those kikongos like a pair of bongos
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User avatar #27 to #18 - donbionicle (10/19/2015) [-]
Kikongos*
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User avatar #44 to #18 - tenaciouslee ONLINE (10/19/2015) [-]
Miller would be closer to Che Guevera than Big Boss.
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User avatar #74 to #18 - norkasthethird (10/19/2015) [-]
kaz "fulton a coon, I'll shoot the baloon" miller
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#110 to #74 - admiralen ONLINE (10/19/2015) [-]
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#22 - Nohelpforu (10/19/2015) [-]
Batman quote or not its on point here.
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#106 - vytros (10/19/2015) [-]
I find it ******* hilarious that a site that has a lot of people who idolise Hitler non-sarcastically has trouble understanding that some people idolise Che non-sarcastically.

Truth be told, I'm on neither side. I like how people say "Che was a cold blooded killer", are you telling me that there ever existed an ideology that succeeded or a nation that succeeded without depending on so called "cold blooded killers"?

What, America is better? Your secret services train middle eastern militias not to help them but to further your own agenda, so you don't have to sacrifice your own image and troops to make sure that a regime that you like stays in or enters power in X country.

You basically turn countrymen against each other so they'd murder themselves. Is the other side better? By no means, but don't act like you're so much better. Not to mention you haven't ******* learned your lesson from history, Osama Bin Laden fought with your support at first, then turned on you when they had the chance. And yet you still train militias where you shouldn't, part of a militia that you made in Syria went on to join IS.

And once again, I'm on neither side. Do I judge them for being amoral? Yes, I do. Do I understand? Kind of, it's a sociopathic way of securing influence in the world but it is sadly what countries and governments have been doing for several centuries and decades, if not millenias to survive.

Just don't act like your "cold blooded murderers" are any better.

Pic is overused/cliché but still related, never forget that if you grew up in the USA, your whole education is about demonizing America's enemies, and Che was one of them.
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#125 to #106 - anon (10/19/2015) [-]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor
Oh isn't america just great? Nothing like that Che Guevara man who went around spreading violent revolutions that caused deaths and totalitarian regimes.
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#150 to #106 - anon (10/19/2015) [-]
"a site that has a lot of people who idolise Hitler non-sarcastically"

I love it when commenters put little hints that their comment isn't worth reading right at the beginning, saves me some time
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#165 to #150 - vytros (10/19/2015) [-]
I know right? It's like when people post with pictures/avatars depicting nazi symbols.
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#112 to #106 - ghostblaze (10/19/2015) [-]
Perfectly said this needs to be stickied
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#114 to #106 - llpanic (10/19/2015) [-]
finally somebody said it
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User avatar #20 - recoveryone (10/18/2015) [-]
Probably all those kickass looking anti-consumerism shirts bought at Hot Topic in a two for one sale...
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#45 - danniegurl (10/19/2015) [-]
My uncle's shirt.
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User avatar #17 - donatelo (10/18/2015) [-]
The dictatorship he helped over throw was **** . I have done a lot of research on Latin American countries and let me tell you that a lot of governments were emotionless human grinders.

What Che did was massive for his country. yea..in times he was a heartless killer , for example when presented with a villager who gave away information regarding the location of rebel camps, he shot him as he begged. But so impressive was the "myth" of Che Guevarra, that when one of his commanders was wounded behind a shelter and under supressive fire, he rushed through open space to carry him back to safety...the opposing soldiers were quoted as saying that Che's unexpected and absolute "steel balls" move made them forget they were supposed to kill this man. Likewise, when Che was finally killed, his killer wanted him to scream before he died...Che didn't.

Che was seeing as a hero because he had massive balls...dudes a myth and legend amongst guerilla fighters. a polarizing figure no doubt. Shame that he is simply a fashion symbol now.
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#96 - thedutchs (10/19/2015) [-]
Ernesto "Ché" Guevara would publicly execute dissidents and then let their family walk along the wall where their family member had just been executed. He commanded multiple death squads, was head of the Cuban secret police and instigated multiple failed revolutions.

The only reason anyone would like Ché is because they are an edgy, uneducated rebel wannabee even though what Ché fought for was a totalitarian regime.

Erneste Ché Guevara wasn't always a terrible guy, but he sure grew up to be one. The only reason why Ché is idolized is because he's dead, and therefore can't do anything wrong anymore. Fidel and Raúl make sure that he is idolized in Cuba so that they can maintain a false image of modesty while doing all kinds of messed up things behind the scene.

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#97 to #96 - woodoo ONLINE (10/19/2015) [-]
Also, Che was more attractive, his face looks better on a shirt.
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#87 - jimmytwoshoes (10/19/2015) [-]
you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villan


do you feel like a hero yet? Cause i dont
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#90 to #87 - anon (10/19/2015) [-]
That's because you're still alive! Duh!
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#157 to #90 - jimmytwoshoes (10/19/2015) [-]
well... i guess
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User avatar #99 - theroflcer (10/19/2015) [-]
Stalin aided the Alliance during World War II
Does anyone defend his actions?
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User avatar #100 to #99 - nanako ONLINE (10/19/2015) [-]
Nobody defends stalin openly, but people largely sweep him under the rug and pretend he never happened, in favour of criticising hitler instead.
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User avatar #124 to #100 - asotil (10/19/2015) [-]
The entire public education system disagrees
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User avatar #163 to #124 - nanako ONLINE (10/19/2015) [-]
maybe in your country. I recall spending a month or two studying der evil nazis and the poor innocent jews, and not a single iota of time being taught about soviet purges
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User avatar #164 to #163 - asotil (10/19/2015) [-]
I read that wrong, my bad. I meant we never learned about Stalin in US public school apart from "He was the original dick during the Cold War era and anyone who says Russia did more than the US during WW2 is a lying Communist"

It was all about "Hitler was evil we owe the Jews/Blacks/Natives/anyone who isn't white and had something happen before anyone in this room was born"
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User avatar #105 - yeshibo (10/19/2015) [-]
Someone went through and downvoted everyone's comment so everyone had -1... Just went through and upvoted all of you. <3
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User avatar #43 - mikepetru (10/19/2015) [-]
Killer Chic: Hollywood's Sick Love Affair with Che Guevara Why don't we ask the people who lived under Che's rule what THEY think?
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User avatar #102 - minorian (10/19/2015) [-]
Now, I am just talking about public opinion, and not about ideology or factual evidence of any kind:
The hate on Castro stems from the history of relations between the US and Castro/Cuba. The love for Che stems from the political ideologies that has been more or less attributed to him. Both men have done fantastic things and vile things, but while Che's horrific executions have been lost in history, Castro's part in history will be taught in school all over the world for the next century most likely, and from the standpoint of the Western world, which is inarguably a negative perspective to take on stuff like the Cuba crisis.
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User avatar #172 to #102 - factual (10/19/2015) [-]
it's a fact
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#41 - anon (10/19/2015) [-]
only reason people say hes a bad guy is because america says he is. far less brutal and repressive then his predecessor, who was supported by america
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#32 - anon (10/19/2015) [-]
Castro was great for his country. Standard of living in Cuba was in some ways better than America. But he was our enemy so we hate him.
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#111 to #32 - anon (10/19/2015) [-]
Doubtful considering Cubans tried to invade his country, massacred his own people relentlessly, and pretty much did every other typical communist dictator thing.
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User avatar #101 - nanako ONLINE (10/19/2015) [-]
Might have something to do with Fidel being a jew.

not sure if che was though, unlikely
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#79 - improbable (10/19/2015) [-]
revolution!
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User avatar #65 - whtkid (10/19/2015) [-]
He's a big guy
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