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emperorwatergate (10/25/2015) [-] 
Fun Fact:
In JLA/Avengers, it was revealed that Wonder Woman is worthy of the hammer.
In JLA/Avengers, it was revealed that Wonder Woman is worthy of the hammer.
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emperorwatergate (10/26/2015) [-] Their two Universes temporarily had some type of portal. It had something to do with The Grandmaster and Krona.
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daddydeadpool (10/26/2015) [-] But when supes tried to lift it a second time he couldn't, he was only temporarily capable.
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mrwalkerfour (10/25/2015) [-] hulk couldnt lift it, he tried but it just didnt budge at all. no amount of strength can lift it, its about worthiness not strength
captain america did budge it, implying hes almost worthy of mjolnir
captain america did budge it, implying hes almost worthy of mjolnir
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nocakeforthetroll (10/25/2015) [-] Wait, if it wasn't enchanted why did hulk have such a hard time lifting in? If Thor can lift it no problem surely hulk can too.
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humbuk (10/25/2015) [-] "Thor's son Modi, corrupted by the World Tree returned to earth with the Uru Mjölnir in a quest to establish his kingdom on Earth. [79]. When Thor slew his son in combat, the Thunder god continued to use the Stark Model of Mjölnir as well as the linking bio-suit".
found this gem on the Marvel wiki page. since he is wielding a hammer made of Stark technology it is not enchanted by Odin. but that doesn't explain why Hulk had were able to wield the hammer with some difficulty. one could imply that this version of Thor is stronger than the hulk but i highly doubt that is the case. maybe the hammer is technologically bound to Thor, but Hulk was strong enough to override it.
found this gem on the Marvel wiki page. since he is wielding a hammer made of Stark technology it is not enchanted by Odin. but that doesn't explain why Hulk had were able to wield the hammer with some difficulty. one could imply that this version of Thor is stronger than the hulk but i highly doubt that is the case. maybe the hammer is technologically bound to Thor, but Hulk was strong enough to override it.
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sirlorge (10/26/2015) [-]
Could be that it is incredibly heavy and Hulk just wasn't angry enough at that moment. But in the normal canon universe, Hulk can't lift the hammer.
Officially, all versions of Thor have lifted the hammer, along with Wonder Woman during the JLA/Avengers X-over, Captain America, and there was an alternate Age of Ultron storyline where Natasha Romanoff becomes Thor. Also, in the post secret wars universe, I believe Jane (Thor's female love interest) becomes Thor as well though she's dying with cancer or something like that I'm sure there are a few others.
Being worthy has meant so far to be a great warrior in a battlefield, able to kill any opponent, not just a talented fighter who can incapacitate enemies.
I imagine "Gods Among Us" or "Gods and Monsters" versions of Superman can wield it. I dunno if Bats trained the same way to be considered a great warrior in the Gods and Monsters reinterpretation, but if he did, he'd likely be able to wield it too.
Dunno if you can answer this, but: didn't bats once use a lethal gun? I think it was against Darkseid or something like that, so maybe he is willing to kill if the stakes are high enough. Then again, I doubt a fluke in personality would grant him worthiness
Officially, all versions of Thor have lifted the hammer, along with Wonder Woman during the JLA/Avengers X-over, Captain America, and there was an alternate Age of Ultron storyline where Natasha Romanoff becomes Thor. Also, in the post secret wars universe, I believe Jane (Thor's female love interest) becomes Thor as well though she's dying with cancer or something like that I'm sure there are a few others.
Being worthy has meant so far to be a great warrior in a battlefield, able to kill any opponent, not just a talented fighter who can incapacitate enemies.
I imagine "Gods Among Us" or "Gods and Monsters" versions of Superman can wield it. I dunno if Bats trained the same way to be considered a great warrior in the Gods and Monsters reinterpretation, but if he did, he'd likely be able to wield it too.
Dunno if you can answer this, but: didn't bats once use a lethal gun? I think it was against Darkseid or something like that, so maybe he is willing to kill if the stakes are high enough. Then again, I doubt a fluke in personality would grant him worthiness
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sirlorge (10/26/2015) [-] " I imagine "Gods Among Us" or "Gods and Monsters" versions of Superman can wield it. "
I wasn't affirming anything, just saying that since GAU interpretation of Supes is willing to kill which people seem to point to every time someone asks if Supes could wield Mjolnir , it might be more of a possibility.
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I wasn't affirming anything, just saying that since GAU interpretation of Supes is willing to kill which people seem to point to every time someone asks if Supes could wield Mjolnir , it might be more of a possibility.
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sirlorge (10/26/2015) [-]
I don't understand maybe I'm reading like a retard or something
Superman is unwilling to kill in the current canon universe.
In GAU, he is willing to kill, but not eager, else Batman and his merry gang would have died long ago and he would have killed WW in their duel, when the amazoness army shows up to demand Supes stands down . <-- Actual spoiler for GAU
In GAM, he Bats and WW choose to not kill when possible specifically when fighting non super powered criminals , after the events of the animated film.
Now, I think you're referring to GAU Year 1 when Supes, Green Lantern, Shazam and WW lift atlantis into the Sahara desert. No one died then though, Supes just hurt the Kraken's tentacle
Superman is unwilling to kill in the current canon universe.
In GAU, he is willing to kill, but not eager, else Batman and his merry gang would have died long ago and he would have killed WW in their duel, when the amazoness army shows up to demand Supes stands down . <-- Actual spoiler for GAU
In GAM, he Bats and WW choose to not kill when possible specifically when fighting non super powered criminals , after the events of the animated film.
Now, I think you're referring to GAU Year 1 when Supes, Green Lantern, Shazam and WW lift atlantis into the Sahara desert. No one died then though, Supes just hurt the Kraken's tentacle
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azumeow (10/26/2015) [-] Nah, I think our logic is just leading us to different places.
I was referring to that in my spoiler. And maybe not eager, but he's more than willing. When Lois and the baby died, something really just broke in him. He became willing to do anything for his version of the "greater good." (Which is utter **** , as we're all aware)
I just think he's going way too far in GAU. There's being willing to kill, then there's resorting to it as a default. I understand killing the invading aliens, anybody who says that was wrong is a derp, but when someone so recklessly causes so many deaths without any regard for their methods (Like turning to the Yellow Lantern Corps, who are cartoonishly EVIL, and MURDERING A PLANET because you don't feel like giving up your throne to a planet you have no right to claim) I doubt Mjolnir would deem them worthy
I was referring to that in my spoiler. And maybe not eager, but he's more than willing. When Lois and the baby died, something really just broke in him. He became willing to do anything for his version of the "greater good." (Which is utter **** , as we're all aware)
I just think he's going way too far in GAU. There's being willing to kill, then there's resorting to it as a default. I understand killing the invading aliens, anybody who says that was wrong is a derp, but when someone so recklessly causes so many deaths without any regard for their methods (Like turning to the Yellow Lantern Corps, who are cartoonishly EVIL, and MURDERING A PLANET because you don't feel like giving up your throne to a planet you have no right to claim) I doubt Mjolnir would deem them worthy
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lightninghorse (10/25/2015) [-] well that's something...
but i'm pretty sure hulk could lift thor's hammer. he would just have to get angry enough to push the planet away from under the hammer, that's kinda like lifting it
but i'm pretty sure hulk could lift thor's hammer. he would just have to get angry enough to push the planet away from under the hammer, that's kinda like lifting it
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lightninghorse (10/25/2015) [-] i thought the hammer just became a fixed point in space whenever it wasn't being used?
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anon (10/25/2015) [-]
Not possible. The Earth rotates around the sun at roughly 67,000 mph, and the sun itself is moving about our galactic axis, and our galaxy is also moving... soooooo... no, it doesn't become a fixed point in space. It would always have to be "A fixed point relative to whatever it was placed on", but then all you'd have to do is move whatever it was placed on, and you could essentially move his hammer. This also means that one could theoretically simply swing it about in space with no repercussions. Interesting theoretical questions are interesting.
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lightninghorse (10/25/2015) [-] yeah, that's what i assumed. it would appear i was wrong
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humbuk (10/25/2015) [-] Not quite sure what you mean by that, so i did a little digging, i found this thread: www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/27kivm/is_thors_hammer_mjolnir_a_fixed_quantum_point/ perhaps this will be of use?
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humbuk (10/25/2015) [-] But i do recall hearing or reading that being stronger than Odins enchantment could make someone able to wield the hammer, but that would not work for the Ultimate universe Hulk since everyone in the Ultimate universe is weaker than their 616 canon universe counterparts
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bloodmadnertwo (10/25/2015) [-] In theory, the hulk could lift it eventually, the madder he gets, the bigger and stronger he gets. Like it would take for ******* ever, but he should be able to ?
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humbuk (10/25/2015) [-] Yes in Theory, but Hulks' biggest show of rage was when he went Worldbreaker. where he could shake continents purely by walking, which is an insane display of strength. it still wouldn't be able to override the Odins enchantment, but the Stark version we see in the movie clip since it's in the Ultimate universe should be no problem after some time or in a state of intense anger which he sure is in when he picks up the hammer in the movie
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bloodmadnertwo (10/25/2015) [-] i love the hulk, by far and wide one of my favourite hero/ anti heros.
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bloodmadnertwo (10/25/2015) [-] i have yeah, and i watched literally every hulk video i can find
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bloodmadnertwo (10/25/2015) [-] idk why man, but he's just so ******* rediculous but he isnt a mary sue
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humbuk (10/25/2015) [-] While i do agree with that, DC Heroes have a tendency to be abit Mary sue, the newest comics with Superman he is pretty much lost most of his powers, he's pretty much a bit weaker than Luke Cage IIRC but even without most of his powers he still acts and behaves like he always did.
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bloodmadnertwo (10/25/2015) [-] which movie is this one from, i guess i've missed a few
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sarcasticat (10/25/2015) [-]
he lifted it in the avengers movie not the recent one the animated one
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mrwalkerfour (10/25/2015) [-] theres so many different canons its confusing, i was just going by the "movie universe" and how it plays out there. i understand he has lifted it in other series
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middlenotmiddleguy (10/26/2015) [-]
Right about Hulk never being able to move it. Captain America budging it in Age of Ultron was an allusion to the couple times he was able to lift it in the comics. Can't remember the story line but a couple people have been worthy check out the comics explained video talking about it, also its a cool chanel.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Tb0bgmK3zs
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Tb0bgmK3zs
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foodyquest (10/25/2015) [-] Yeah but she put it down to fight Storm then got destroyed. I'm like why would you do that?
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eggsontoast (10/25/2015) [-] Supes is always on the verge of killing someone for one reason or another. Plus he has power to see through people clothes. Who wouldn't use that for... Cough science reasons.
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emperorwatergate (10/25/2015) [-] It's probably because he doesn't have the qualities valued by a warrior culture like the Asgardians. Wonder Woman, being an Amazon, does.
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eggsontoast (10/25/2015) [-] I can see that. Seeing that Cap is able to use it but spider-man cant. Even though he has unshakable moral code of power and responsibility. It would make more sense.
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joemamaa (10/25/2015) [-]
i think one of the qualities to be defined as worthy is being able to "finish the job" when necessary and spider mans unshakable morale code probably dose not allow this and i think main stream superman (not injustice) would never intentionally and willingly end anyone. certainly someone who lets a psychopath who has killed at this point thousands of innocent people live just because of their own sense of moral superiority would not be able to lift it
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tomthehippie (10/25/2015) [-]
>Albuquerque mentioned
>Swell with high crime rate, drugs, police brutality, DUIs, and Breaking Bad.
>Swell with high crime rate, drugs, police brutality, DUIs, and Breaking Bad.
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angelious (10/25/2015) [-] >>#9, >>#3, supes cant lift it BECAUSE he isnt willing to kill anybody.
the hammer sees who is worthy based on traits loved by a warrior culture.
a man striving for peace and not willing to kill anybody or even fight is not something a viking would find "worthy" of anything.
wonder woman is a warrior goddess. she fills every check point for it
captain america is a soldier, he fills most of the points.
batman,superman. these guys wont kill,they dont even enjoy combat that much.
the hammer sees who is worthy based on traits loved by a warrior culture.
a man striving for peace and not willing to kill anybody or even fight is not something a viking would find "worthy" of anything.
wonder woman is a warrior goddess. she fills every check point for it
captain america is a soldier, he fills most of the points.
batman,superman. these guys wont kill,they dont even enjoy combat that much.
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thescyle ONLINE (10/26/2015) [-] You made a mistake there.
Superman CAN lift it. But he is not worthy!
The spell makes the hammer a constant point in the plane of existence that can only be changed by the worthy. Or in other words: Only those who are worthy can move the hammer...
Now Superman sadly is such an overpowered piece of dog **** , that he already lifted infinity. Twice.
So yeah, if Superman, at the height of his powers, would really put all into it and try to lift the hammer, what would be happening is the following:
He would move the whole universe, but the hammer would stay at the spot where it is! But if he moves everything around the hammer, for an onlooker it would seem that he moves the hammer.
So yeah, that is my theory why Superman could lift Thors hammer without being worthy.
The not being worthy part is being explained enough times already that I wont go into detail for that here.
Superman CAN lift it. But he is not worthy!
The spell makes the hammer a constant point in the plane of existence that can only be changed by the worthy. Or in other words: Only those who are worthy can move the hammer...
Now Superman sadly is such an overpowered piece of dog **** , that he already lifted infinity. Twice.
So yeah, if Superman, at the height of his powers, would really put all into it and try to lift the hammer, what would be happening is the following:
He would move the whole universe, but the hammer would stay at the spot where it is! But if he moves everything around the hammer, for an onlooker it would seem that he moves the hammer.
So yeah, that is my theory why Superman could lift Thors hammer without being worthy.
The not being worthy part is being explained enough times already that I wont go into detail for that here.
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thescyle ONLINE (10/26/2015) [-] true. IF they would just have sticked with the explanation: "Only the worthy can use the hammer" then I would agree. But since they unneededly explained HOW the magic prevents the unworthy from using it, this exact explanation is the reason he CAN use it. So yeah. Another case of unnecessary background information.
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thescyle ONLINE (10/26/2015) [-] oh dont you start on me with death battle ^^
About that, anyone else having the opinion that the new Dragonball Super Beerus could kill superman, no matter which version, down without even touching him or using an offensive move?
I came to this idea while watching the episode where he canceled the Kamehame ha of goku. The energy waves in DBZ are plasma energy. So is the sun.
Beerus explanation of his ability is that he can neutralize the energy as well as all effects it would have.
So if hew ould fight superman he would just turn off the sun, and all the effects it would have. Sure, earth would be gone, but so would Superman. He can live in space, but without the sun ever powering him up, he would be just a drop dead wannabe
just my 2 cents here.
About that, anyone else having the opinion that the new Dragonball Super Beerus could kill superman, no matter which version, down without even touching him or using an offensive move?
I came to this idea while watching the episode where he canceled the Kamehame ha of goku. The energy waves in DBZ are plasma energy. So is the sun.
Beerus explanation of his ability is that he can neutralize the energy as well as all effects it would have.
So if hew ould fight superman he would just turn off the sun, and all the effects it would have. Sure, earth would be gone, but so would Superman. He can live in space, but without the sun ever powering him up, he would be just a drop dead wannabe
just my 2 cents here.
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angelious (10/26/2015) [-] he could kill current superman with high difficulty(It was agreed that beerus would in the end be able to aoe kill supes). superman is still faster than beerus by a huge margin, but it was agreed that he laxed the damage/haxes to take him down.
however stronger version of supes(prime,prime one million, silver age and the versions that had more haxes like tangent and post crisis) are able to take him down, and opponents on supermans level that have more access to laid haxes are also able to take down beerus with ease(flash,martian manhunter)
we had a thread about this in obd about a week ago.
also:superman doesnt need direct exposure to sunlight at all times to hold his powers. he has shown to have been able to go on for weeks without sunlight before his powers start to wain, he has even flown through a red sun and been able to fight on par(with his golden age version) againts the physically strongest version of superman.
however stronger version of supes(prime,prime one million, silver age and the versions that had more haxes like tangent and post crisis) are able to take him down, and opponents on supermans level that have more access to laid haxes are also able to take down beerus with ease(flash,martian manhunter)
we had a thread about this in obd about a week ago.
also:superman doesnt need direct exposure to sunlight at all times to hold his powers. he has shown to have been able to go on for weeks without sunlight before his powers start to wain, he has even flown through a red sun and been able to fight on par(with his golden age version) againts the physically strongest version of superman.
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angelious (10/26/2015) [-] a lot of characters have abilities that would seem op againts opponents that are stronger than them or otherwise would be able to no sell everything, this has caused a rule in debating that unless the characters have feats of doing the feat to a similiar opponent(or on a scale it would be agreed would affect the opponent in question) its agreed that it would not have effect on the opponent.
this is done to eliminate things like; kirby absorbing everything,the various invincibility powers in gaming(mario star,aku aku mask, etc) as well as get rid of no limit fallacies that lead to things like toph being able to beat gaara.
so unless beerus has shown that he could nullify powers from a person that is like superman,then it cannot be agreed that he could beat these opponents.
nevertheless,even if we take your stance, that he can do it, he still would only be able to defeat n52 superman, and versions weaker than that, which he already can do even without these powers(his dc and dura alone make it possible)
however, versions stronger than this are able to speed blitz him via haxes and speed advantage, so beerus nullifying powers wouldnt matter in those fights even if it was a valid way to defeat supes,.
this is done to eliminate things like; kirby absorbing everything,the various invincibility powers in gaming(mario star,aku aku mask, etc) as well as get rid of no limit fallacies that lead to things like toph being able to beat gaara.
so unless beerus has shown that he could nullify powers from a person that is like superman,then it cannot be agreed that he could beat these opponents.
nevertheless,even if we take your stance, that he can do it, he still would only be able to defeat n52 superman, and versions weaker than that, which he already can do even without these powers(his dc and dura alone make it possible)
however, versions stronger than this are able to speed blitz him via haxes and speed advantage, so beerus nullifying powers wouldnt matter in those fights even if it was a valid way to defeat supes,.
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angelious (10/26/2015) [-] obd, and most of the battling sites except for derpbattle.
its called "no limit fallacy"
also what assumptions am i making? and why do you think silver age superman(that is already millions of times faster than n52 superman, that is still hundreds of times faster than beerus) and stronger than n52 superman and beerus by a thousand fold? not to mention post crisis,that is marginally faster than n52 superman,and has access to haxes capable of killing beerus before beerus can react, or tangent superman, that casually stomped a bloodlusted flash in combat?
or prime,that is even stronger than post crisis by far,with more haxes...
or prime one million...that is stronger than fifth dimensional imps.
its called "no limit fallacy"
also what assumptions am i making? and why do you think silver age superman(that is already millions of times faster than n52 superman, that is still hundreds of times faster than beerus) and stronger than n52 superman and beerus by a thousand fold? not to mention post crisis,that is marginally faster than n52 superman,and has access to haxes capable of killing beerus before beerus can react, or tangent superman, that casually stomped a bloodlusted flash in combat?
or prime,that is even stronger than post crisis by far,with more haxes...
or prime one million...that is stronger than fifth dimensional imps.
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emperorwatergate (10/26/2015) [-] Odin temporarily lifted the enchantment for Superman.
He's not worthy, but he's almost worthy.
He's not worthy, but he's almost worthy.
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tutteredboast (10/25/2015) [-] **tutteredboast used "*roll picture*"**
**tutteredboast rolled image** isn't any girl worthy of the hammer
**tutteredboast rolled image** isn't any girl worthy of the hammer
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comicexplain (10/25/2015) [-] Sadly, Batman could never lift up the hammer - One needs to be not just rightious and justified in their actions, among other things, they also need to be willing to -kill- for the greater good.
Wonder Woman could almost certainly hold it. But Batman and Superman can't!
Wonder Woman could almost certainly hold it. But Batman and Superman can't!
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comicexplain (10/26/2015) [-] No - He doesn't have the spirit for it. He's no Leader, he couldn't feasibly lead an entire country, or planet.
Maybe black Adam, after he mellowed out! I'd think he'd be about perfect for it, truth be told. Though, he'd need to be modest enough to admit he's not actually worthy of it. Hrrrm!
Maybe black Adam, after he mellowed out! I'd think he'd be about perfect for it, truth be told. Though, he'd need to be modest enough to admit he's not actually worthy of it. Hrrrm!
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comicexplain (10/26/2015) [-] The enchantment upon Mjolnir was placed upon it by Odin himself, who determines who is and is not worthy; only those who enter the realm of what he considers worthy, or who can somehow break the enchantment he placed upon it, could ever home of lifting it from the ground. This has been outright explained in several of Thors comics (Journey into Mystery #83, Thor annual #11, Amazing Spider-Man #339, Journey Into Mystery #88 and more, to name a few), and suggested in several others.
This is stuff almost any comic book reader who enjoys Thor would know; if you don't believe me, and I suppose you have no reason to, then I suggest finding a Thor forum (Goodness knows there's plenty of them!) and ask away!
This is stuff almost any comic book reader who enjoys Thor would know; if you don't believe me, and I suppose you have no reason to, then I suggest finding a Thor forum (Goodness knows there's plenty of them!) and ask away!
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unbelievable (10/26/2015) [-] Shazam has the power of Zeus and several other qualities of demigods and heroes. Are you saying that Odin was more powerful than Zeus? Can't Zeus just undo Odin's enchantment?
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comicexplain (10/26/2015) [-] Technically, in cannon, yes! Odin is several times more powerful than Zues - However, with all of the Gods power that Shazam- CAPTAIN MARVEL has... I suppose there's a chance he could break the enchantment! Which would be neat to see, by the way. However, Billy isn't exactly Power Hungry - And there's no telling what would happen if he attempted this feat. If I would hazard a guess, and this is merely a guess, I believe it would siphon away all of CAPTAIN MARVEL's powers, and make it so anyone could lift the hammer - Even good ol' Billy Batson!
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comicexplain (10/26/2015) [-] Yes, actually! It's been explained a few times, that one must be willing to sacrifice, or at least put ones self and their 'hangups' behind the sake of the many! It's part of having a leaders spirit. If they don't have the heart to kill some to save others, they can not wield the Hammer!
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comicexplain (10/26/2015) [-] Wikipedia should have a full list of people in the main continuity, as well as other universes, where people have lifted Mjolnir!
Marvel and DC do plenty of crossover events, every decade or so!
Marvel and DC do plenty of crossover events, every decade or so!
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comicexplain (10/26/2015) [-] Odin allowed him to hold it for a small while, though he reactivated the Enchantment as soon as the task was finished!
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comicexplain (10/26/2015) [-] I answered below, a minute ago! Odin allowed for Superman to hold the hammer, though he revoked this as soon as he was finished!
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comicexplain (10/26/2015) [-] You need Odin's approval to wield the hammer; Odin's Approval stands for the ability to lead your men into battle where you all might die - Self-righteousness, a warriors heart, and the ability to take a life when the cause is great enough for it!
Superman was allowed to wield it because their realities were crashing around them, and they needed an exception. WW wield it because she was, truly, worthy!
Superman was allowed to wield it because their realities were crashing around them, and they needed an exception. WW wield it because she was, truly, worthy!
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captainfuckitall ONLINE (10/25/2015) [-] Didn't this seriously damage him, though? Make him realize he was not as virtuous and noble as he believed, and since, has strived to be MORE noble?
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comicexplain (10/26/2015) [-] Funny thing is, because he's Doctor Doom, he could have just made a machine that mimicked those attributes, and lifted it that way - There's always a way to game the system!
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comicexplain (10/26/2015) [-] That moment when Doom creates a machine worthy of holding thors hammer.
That moment when it's just AoU, with Doom as the main antag.
That moment when it's just AoU, with Doom as the main antag.
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okamibanshu (10/25/2015) [-] i doubt batman could pick it up. He's rather....deceitful. He lies to his own friends and allies, and plans how to defeat them. I don't think it would be very honorable to question and doubt your allies every moment of every day.
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okamibanshu (10/25/2015) [-] Captain America doesn't do anything like batman. Batman is awesome yes, but he acts rather....cruelly sometimes. he's angry and acts as such, he just doesn't kill anyone.
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toosexyforyou (10/26/2015) [-] It's ridiculous how butthurt Batman fanboys get that we have to start every criticism towards Batman with a "he's awesome but..."
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okamibanshu (10/26/2015) [-] Actualy i'm not a big fan of batman. He is awesome, he's tony with martial art skills. Pretty awesome. I prefer captain America and spiderman
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toosexyforyou (10/26/2015) [-] I meant that you were talking to a Batman fan like a child. Trying to not hurt his feelings.
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captainfuckitall ONLINE (10/25/2015) [-] It's also worth noting that their going evil is only really half the reason he does it.
Batman is a control freak, and not only a control freak, but a paranoid one. His distrust and lack of faith in the skill and judgement of others has LED to more people betraying him than his plans have actually helped anything. He certainly would not be worthy of the hammer.
Batman is a control freak, and not only a control freak, but a paranoid one. His distrust and lack of faith in the skill and judgement of others has LED to more people betraying him than his plans have actually helped anything. He certainly would not be worthy of the hammer.
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okamibanshu (10/26/2015) [-] awesome, thats far better at explaining what i meant then what i said lol. Thanks
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severepwner (10/25/2015) [-] Superman is the most morally and mentally unstable and most overpowered cunt in the universe.
I would be more angry if he didn't have a Plan B for not if, but when he goes crazy, again.
I would be more angry if he didn't have a Plan B for not if, but when he goes crazy, again.
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captainfuckitall ONLINE (10/26/2015) [-] Superman is only 'unstable' when the writers like Batman. You can always tell when a writer likes Batman by how they write Superman.
Likewise, all Superman IS is honest, trusting, and compassionate. He's also written to be over-powered, unlike Batman who is written to be the underdog and yet never is.
Likewise, all Superman IS is honest, trusting, and compassionate. He's also written to be over-powered, unlike Batman who is written to be the underdog and yet never is.
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heartlessrobot (10/26/2015) [-] Head's unusually big for the handle, it wouldn't seem practical enough to be a hammer.
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captainfuckitall ONLINE (10/25/2015) [-] >Batman being a Mary Sue
And literally nobody is surprised.
On a serious scale though, he would not be worthy. While he is a very righteous and just individual, he is also dominated by his paranoia and inability to trust the skills/judgement of others. There's also the fact that he wouldn't break his 'code' even if it meant protecting the universe, which would instantly get him off the list of 'worthy' wielders, as the trend between people holding it are only those who are willing to give everything, including themselves, for a selfless and noble cause.
And literally nobody is surprised.
On a serious scale though, he would not be worthy. While he is a very righteous and just individual, he is also dominated by his paranoia and inability to trust the skills/judgement of others. There's also the fact that he wouldn't break his 'code' even if it meant protecting the universe, which would instantly get him off the list of 'worthy' wielders, as the trend between people holding it are only those who are willing to give everything, including themselves, for a selfless and noble cause.
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captainfuckitall ONLINE (10/25/2015) [-] Except Thor isn't a Mary Sue. A Mary Sue is regarded in two things: Charisma and Power. If someone is incredibly powerful and everyone likes them, they're a Mary Sue.
Thor is not a Mary Sue, while he IS incredibly powerful, he remains on strained terms with most people due to his brash nature. Likewise, he has lost many fights, is not particularly smart, nor is even as physically strong as the Hulk or as magically empowered as Dr.Doom or The Vision. He is worthy of the hammer due to his virtue, not power.
Thor is not a Mary Sue, while he IS incredibly powerful, he remains on strained terms with most people due to his brash nature. Likewise, he has lost many fights, is not particularly smart, nor is even as physically strong as the Hulk or as magically empowered as Dr.Doom or The Vision. He is worthy of the hammer due to his virtue, not power.
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captainfuckitall ONLINE (10/25/2015) [-] Try telling that to a hardcore Batman fan; they would defend that he somehow would have saved his life to their last breath.
Realistically speaking though, if Batman had to choose between killing the Joker and saving 100 people, he would let them die to keep the Joker alive BECAUSE he is so against killing.
Kind of counter productive, if you ask me.
Realistically speaking though, if Batman had to choose between killing the Joker and saving 100 people, he would let them die to keep the Joker alive BECAUSE he is so against killing.
Kind of counter productive, if you ask me.
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brvtalguy (10/25/2015) [-] >is a ******* norse god
>basically immortal
>once fought a giant sea serpent
>doesn't walk around dressed as a flying rodent
>has fabulous long blond hair
>was featured in Marvel comics
Thor is obviously better than Batman.
>basically immortal
>once fought a giant sea serpent
>doesn't walk around dressed as a flying rodent
>has fabulous long blond hair
>was featured in Marvel comics
Thor is obviously better than Batman.
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bastianjolt (10/25/2015) [-] if he had fought jörmungandr both of them would be dead and the world would not even exist. ragnarök is some serious ****
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captainprincess ONLINE (10/25/2015) [-] something something batman is the most perfect something something
he's boring because of this
he's boring because of this
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captainprincess ONLINE (10/26/2015) [-] I could
and do
Superheroes are, to me, largely dull
and do
Superheroes are, to me, largely dull
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sirlorge (10/26/2015) [-]
Here's a better fight for you fanboys:
Thor Vs Superman
Thor wins because of magic, right?
Thor Vs Superman
Thor wins because of magic, right?
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heartlessrobot (10/26/2015) [-] Thor. One swing of the magic hammer, and supes is done for.
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heartlessrobot (10/26/2015) [-] >Superman is weak against magic
>Super ******* weak
>Thor has strongest magic hammer in existance
Not much of a matchup.
>Super ******* weak
>Thor has strongest magic hammer in existance
Not much of a matchup.
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traycepickering (10/26/2015) [-] Any normal person that gets clocked in the head with mjolnir is going to be ****** up like a soup sandwich.
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sirlorge (10/26/2015) [-]
True, but not every enchanted item is necessarily using weaponized magic. Then we could argue that an enchanted gauntlet would give any super strong/fast character a win over Supes.
Mjolnir's only magic attack (as far as I'm aware) is summoning lightning. But it is normal lightning that he summons in that the only thing it does is electrocute, which would't faze Supes . Other than that, it increases Thor's godly powers to pretty much match Supes along with some other irrelevant things such as detecting magic, breaking spells, coming back through any barrier, etc. None of which are magical attacks as such. It's a hammer that can create storms and increases speed and strength, but it's still just a hammer as a weapon.
That said, if doomsday is any indication, Supes can be beat by pure physical strength, so Thor's superior experience as a warrior he's hundreds of years old and has spent most of his life fighting wars against many foes if I recall correctly would give him an upper hand.
Both have seemingly no upper limit to their strength, both can fly to the sun and back within minutes, most of their additional powers are nullified by their resistances (Thor unaffected by heat or cold, Supes unaffected by electricity). Seems to be the perfect match.
I think Thor does have a few magic attacks though, and his godblast would likely be magical in terms of damage. However, I'd like to clear up that I don't read his comics to much so I could be horribly mistaken.
Mjolnir's only magic attack (as far as I'm aware) is summoning lightning. But it is normal lightning that he summons in that the only thing it does is electrocute, which would't faze Supes . Other than that, it increases Thor's godly powers to pretty much match Supes along with some other irrelevant things such as detecting magic, breaking spells, coming back through any barrier, etc. None of which are magical attacks as such. It's a hammer that can create storms and increases speed and strength, but it's still just a hammer as a weapon.
That said, if doomsday is any indication, Supes can be beat by pure physical strength, so Thor's superior experience as a warrior he's hundreds of years old and has spent most of his life fighting wars against many foes if I recall correctly would give him an upper hand.
Both have seemingly no upper limit to their strength, both can fly to the sun and back within minutes, most of their additional powers are nullified by their resistances (Thor unaffected by heat or cold, Supes unaffected by electricity). Seems to be the perfect match.
I think Thor does have a few magic attacks though, and his godblast would likely be magical in terms of damage. However, I'd like to clear up that I don't read his comics to much so I could be horribly mistaken.
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traycepickering (10/27/2015) [-] Your explanation of it is better than most could hope for for someone who claims to not read comics much. But your right, as long as the blow of the hammer itself isn't magical it isn't really something that would give Thor the clear advantage. After reading your post I think the biggest advantage would be having Asgard at his back, assuming Supes could bring whatever army he could gather.
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heartlessrobot (10/26/2015) [-] Well **** , I didn't get a red line under it so I figured it was correct.
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noonesperfect ONLINE (10/25/2015) [-] Here is the answer to all the questions this post raised
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hariderp (10/25/2015) [-] one of my friends ruined anything hulk-related for me
he basically explained to me how the hulk is so god damn OP, that nothing can kill him, just based on his levels of anger, and that nothing can stop him the angrier he gets.
so, now, any new avengers movie is kinda ruined.
he basically explained to me how the hulk is so god damn OP, that nothing can kill him, just based on his levels of anger, and that nothing can stop him the angrier he gets.
so, now, any new avengers movie is kinda ruined.
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sirlorge (10/26/2015) [-]
He can be killed, it's just very difficult. It's about as hard as hitting spiderman (when he's in Banner form) he has to be completely tricked into a sense of security and killed before the pain registers in his head. If he has moment to turn angry, the assassination failed or about as painful as being eaten by him and killing him from the inside.
That said, hulk can and has been defeated by the likes of Wolverine and Thor and then some, but IMO, those are the best ones
That said, hulk can and has been defeated by the likes of Wolverine and Thor and then some, but IMO, those are the best ones
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recoveryone (10/26/2015) [-] Tranquilize, let him chill out back to Banner, cut his head off.
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unbelievable (10/26/2015) [-] Banner shot himself in the head while in human form and the Hulk busted out and healed himself.
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unbelievable (10/26/2015) [-] Well, it would have to be a very fast blow that cuts his head off in half a second, not like those ISIS people do with a kitchen knife, otherwise the Hulk would bust out as soon as he feels the pain...
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sherlockbatman ONLINE (10/26/2015) [-] **sherlockbatman used "*roll picture*"**
**sherlockbatman rolled image**
that comic had him using anti-healing factor *********** swords that kill immortals
chop off banner's head with regular swords, he hulks out and puts his head back on or grows a new one
**sherlockbatman rolled image**
that comic had him using anti-healing factor *********** swords that kill immortals
chop off banner's head with regular swords, he hulks out and puts his head back on or grows a new one
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unbelievable (10/26/2015) [-] 
***************** !
Let's just count how long it takes someone to say that line "You wouldn't like me when I've been ripped apart". It takes 2-3 seconds at least. So you're telling me that Bruce just sits there while a menacing enemy is above him with weapons in his hands, without the Hulk activating?
Dude, the Hulk burst out at the same speed as a bullet when Bruce shot himself. There's no ******* way that the scene you just posted is in any way plausible.
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sphincterface (10/26/2015) [-] That's only canon in the MCU Hulk. It's pretty easy to kill Banner in human form. And he is more than able to kill himself.
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sherlockbatman ONLINE (10/26/2015) [-] **sherlockbatman used "*roll picture*"**
**sherlockbatman rolled image**
what's the big deal? it's just a glowing hammer
doesn't even look heavy
**sherlockbatman rolled image**
what's the big deal? it's just a glowing hammer
doesn't even look heavy
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sphincterface (10/26/2015) [-] Bruce is a master of manipulating and playing people to do what he wants. He will lie, deceive and fool others into doing what he wants. He also has an extreme distrust of everyone and while he is certainly a good man and a righteous person, it's those two things about him that would make him unworthy.
