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borderlineparanoid ONLINE (10/17/2015) [-] 
>every time they spoke
Christ alive they never let up on Bojack.
that one part later in season 2 where we see the Secretariat interview from Bojack perspective at home. "I'm punishing you for living you know that?" what the **** lady?
Christ alive they never let up on Bojack.
that one part later in season 2 where we see the Secretariat interview from Bojack perspective at home. "I'm punishing you for living you know that?" what the **** lady?
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platinumaltaria ONLINE (10/16/2015) [-] So here's the deal, a whole lot of numbers get thrown around, but here are the facts.
There are "wage gaps" in almost all professions, but these are accounted for by women being less likely to pursue a raise, and being less effective when they do so. Additionally, women are more likely to take time of work. This means that overall, men and women are paid exactly the same base rate per hour of work, in addition to any negotiated bonuses.
So yeah, it's still a myth.
There are "wage gaps" in almost all professions, but these are accounted for by women being less likely to pursue a raise, and being less effective when they do so. Additionally, women are more likely to take time of work. This means that overall, men and women are paid exactly the same base rate per hour of work, in addition to any negotiated bonuses.
So yeah, it's still a myth.
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platinumaltaria ONLINE (10/16/2015) [-] That doesn't mean they aren't entitled to a proper working environment. The real problem is that men tend not to complain about it. Plus, men are driven away from other jobs by stigma, the same stigma that women are claiming keeps them out of traditionally male industries.
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msamnesia (10/16/2015) [-]
Well, men can't really be surrogate mothers. So sorry about that stigma.
As for working conditions, if a guy wants to be a garbage man but expects everything to smell like roses, i dont know what to tell him. Nothing can be done.
Yeah, they deserve certain working conditions.
Sadly some jobs suck ass and there's no such thing as a comfortable way to clean out sewage pipes.
As for working conditions, if a guy wants to be a garbage man but expects everything to smell like roses, i dont know what to tell him. Nothing can be done.
Yeah, they deserve certain working conditions.
Sadly some jobs suck ass and there's no such thing as a comfortable way to clean out sewage pipes.
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platinumaltaria ONLINE (10/16/2015) [-] All I'm saying is we don't see feminists petitioning for more women in waste management. Or mining. Always with the STEM.
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nigeltheoutlaw (10/17/2015) [-] >tfw mom is a STEM major in waste management getting six figures a year
I wish more feminists were like her; being the change they want to see. Not telling the guy taking out the dirty garbage with nasty diaper juice in it that he is privileged.
I wish more feminists were like her; being the change they want to see. Not telling the guy taking out the dirty garbage with nasty diaper juice in it that he is privileged.
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msamnesia (10/16/2015) [-]
Well, personally, i wouldn't mind being a miner. I like physical labor and it makes the day go faster. Thing is--I know for damn fact I'm not strong enough to do half the things expected of a miner. I'll never be strong enough, and there's nothing I can do.
In STEM, where the abilities are all mental, I can see why they fight for equality. Women are able to become as smart as men, that's probably why they fight for it so hard.
Me personally, I wanna be a teacher. And if my guy friend wants to be a teacher and we both have the same skills and experience, we should get payed equal. If he doesn't get the job simply because he's a guy, that's just as ****** up as if a woman weren't to get payed as much simply for being a girl.
In STEM, where the abilities are all mental, I can see why they fight for equality. Women are able to become as smart as men, that's probably why they fight for it so hard.
Me personally, I wanna be a teacher. And if my guy friend wants to be a teacher and we both have the same skills and experience, we should get payed equal. If he doesn't get the job simply because he's a guy, that's just as ****** up as if a woman weren't to get payed as much simply for being a girl.
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bobpizza (10/17/2015) [-] You know what's ****** up? My local grocery store does not hire men for most things. Most of the workers are women from the ages of 18-30, except for the stockers and butchers, they are all men. All the bakery, customer service, and cashier positions are taken by women. I'm 100% sure on the cashiers being women, I've gone to this store for years whenever I don't want to make the trip to costco/ other cheaper grocery stores, and I've never seen a man be on the register. Think this can be reported?
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thegreatphanact (10/17/2015) [-] I have a family friend who's a miner. It's awful, high stress work. But it's not impossible, as long as you have the mental capacity for it, and as long as you train your body as much as you can. That's her take on it.
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kibuza (10/17/2015) [-] Not every job in construction is physical labour.
Who would you rather have installing and carrying drywall? 2 men or 2 women? Granted there ARE women who are capable of lifting like men, it's just a lot less common. It's almost as if we have biological differences that make the genders slightly different and better / worse at certain thing.
Who would you rather have installing and carrying drywall? 2 men or 2 women? Granted there ARE women who are capable of lifting like men, it's just a lot less common. It's almost as if we have biological differences that make the genders slightly different and better / worse at certain thing.
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msamnesia (10/17/2015) [-]
gee, that sounds exactly like what the **** i said. men are typically better at some jobs. like ones that require strength. i wasn't bitching about it, ffs, i was bringing it up as a point. certain jobs are going to be dominated by certain genders because that gender has a natural skill for it. things like STEM work are a more equal playing field because it deals mostly with brain, not physical attributes. feminists are bitching about how even though their brain is equal, they're not getting certain equality just because they're women.
im not bitching abut stem. or equal pay. im just tired of hearing guys(or whoever) use this right horse argument when the topic is brought up, because it has a lot of misleading information.
im not bitching abut stem. or equal pay. im just tired of hearing guys(or whoever) use this right horse argument when the topic is brought up, because it has a lot of misleading information.
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kibuza (10/17/2015) [-] Here's how you fix that. Get women to actually apply to STEM fields. I'm not even going to bother posting the information on what careers women seem to gravitate towards and which careers men gravitate towards, because it's been shown so often I'm sure you've seen it. Do YOU want a STEM career? Cool, go get educated and apply for one.
The problem is third wave nazi Feminists see the gender as a single being, and they complain when they see that something isn't equal. Even if it's the results of their own choices.
The problem is third wave nazi Feminists see the gender as a single being, and they complain when they see that something isn't equal. Even if it's the results of their own choices.
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buffygifs (10/17/2015) [-]
The issue we are talking about is not how many woman are in those fields, but how the woman in those fields are treated. The gender pay gap is much greater in STEM than in other fields. That is a fact.
The truth of that matter is that a lot of people (whether consciously or not) assume men are more competent and harder working in the field. So, while STEM is the "smart" choice for men to go into, that is far from the case for women. We can't talk about the "why" of it if people are still in denial about there being an inequality.
The truth of that matter is that a lot of people (whether consciously or not) assume men are more competent and harder working in the field. So, while STEM is the "smart" choice for men to go into, that is far from the case for women. We can't talk about the "why" of it if people are still in denial about there being an inequality.
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msamnesia (10/17/2015) [-]
we all know 90% of "feminists" are blowhards and dont do research or work hard.
whether a man or a woman, i just think everyone should get an equal chance.
example: if guys want to be nanny's they should be without parents being dildo's about a man taking care of their baby. i literally got a job once just because i was a girl, and the other applicant was a 36 year old man--who had 2 kids. clearly he knows more about kids than i, a childless 22 year old.
right now theres a lot of unfairness on both sides, and thats what i've ben trying to point out this entire time, but all anyone wants to seem to do is "attack the girl with the opinion"
whether a man or a woman, i just think everyone should get an equal chance.
example: if guys want to be nanny's they should be without parents being dildo's about a man taking care of their baby. i literally got a job once just because i was a girl, and the other applicant was a 36 year old man--who had 2 kids. clearly he knows more about kids than i, a childless 22 year old.
right now theres a lot of unfairness on both sides, and thats what i've ben trying to point out this entire time, but all anyone wants to seem to do is "attack the girl with the opinion"
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kibuza (10/17/2015) [-] Well, I was doing much the same as you. Pointing out that there are biological differences that make some better than others at certain careers. Also, My first comment was worded so in reply to your slightly sarcastic sounding comment of "Well, men can't really be surrogate mothers. So sorry about that stigma." when you know nobody was referring to that job.
Also, you're free to have an opinion. I didn't thumb either way, but you know how FJ is. As soon as you get around 5 thumbs one way or the other, it's just bandwagoning.
Also, you're free to have an opinion. I didn't thumb either way, but you know how FJ is. As soon as you get around 5 thumbs one way or the other, it's just bandwagoning.
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msamnesia (10/17/2015) [-]
the reason i became a teacher is because as a bartender, i see a lot of idiots and i think " **** , this cant be our future... i gotta do something"
and here i am, a highschool teacher.
and i can't jut sit and watch idiots.
so i end up commenting when i shouldn't, and replying when i shouldn't. but this website is just way too full of people that make me wanna smash my head against a wall repeatedly.
and here i am, a highschool teacher.
and i can't jut sit and watch idiots.
so i end up commenting when i shouldn't, and replying when i shouldn't. but this website is just way too full of people that make me wanna smash my head against a wall repeatedly.
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kibuza (10/17/2015) [-] I know the feeling. Clearly I too reply when I shouldn't.
Also, to show that some people are okay, congratulations on becoming a highschool teacher. My sister is an elementary teacher and she loves it.
Probably because when the kids are stupid you can just say they're too young to know any better. You can't really do that though, and I'm sure that kind of sucks.
I do physical labour and construction at a lumber yard, so we both fit our own stigmas I guess
Also, to show that some people are okay, congratulations on becoming a highschool teacher. My sister is an elementary teacher and she loves it.
Probably because when the kids are stupid you can just say they're too young to know any better. You can't really do that though, and I'm sure that kind of sucks.
I do physical labour and construction at a lumber yard, so we both fit our own stigmas I guess
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msamnesia (10/17/2015) [-]
some days id gladly handle wood all day if it meant getting away from retarded 16 year olds
yeah i chose highschool because if little johnny can't read, its because its lazy and doesn't work hard enough, and im allowed to say so. you can't be tough on little kids and i dont have the patience to be "fake nice" to children.
yeah i chose highschool because if little johnny can't read, its because its lazy and doesn't work hard enough, and im allowed to say so. you can't be tough on little kids and i dont have the patience to be "fake nice" to children.
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kibuza (10/17/2015) [-] Honestly I'd much rather do my current job as well. I have the same problems as you with most kids it seems. I'm 23 and when I work with some new hires, who are usually 17-18 I wonder how we can be so different with only an age difference of 5-6 years. Nobody reads anymore, they spend all their time on tindr and facebook and other **** like it.
I'm feeling like I already don't understand the younger generation and I think they're still technically part of MY generation... makes me feel old already.
Anyways, I'm glad we worked that **** out. You seem like a decent person.
I'm feeling like I already don't understand the younger generation and I think they're still technically part of MY generation... makes me feel old already.
Anyways, I'm glad we worked that **** out. You seem like a decent person.
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msamnesia (10/17/2015) [-]
I've studied in Texas, Florida, Italy, Japan, and Calafornia.
A lot of my teachers were men high school and onward. Middle school was half and half.
Elementary school was all female.
I can't say if location has anything to do with it, but that was my personal experience. I've always had a lot of male teachers.
A lot of my teachers were men high school and onward. Middle school was half and half.
Elementary school was all female.
I can't say if location has anything to do with it, but that was my personal experience. I've always had a lot of male teachers.
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fynix ONLINE (10/17/2015) [-]
well okay then, its just weird, i`ve just met a lot of people, probs you did too and i never hear that their school was dominant by males, very rare that would happen. And im not saying your lying, just i dont think its well when youre saying the word *everywhere*
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msamnesia (10/17/2015) [-]
Well the other commentator asked "who would hire a male professor?" as if there was something wrong with that. it didn't make sense to me. so i was just like "uh.. why the **** not? why does male/female matter? *everywhere* ive ever studied i'v had male professors..."
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fynix ONLINE (10/17/2015) [-]
i understood that, just why the **** not would have been better. Its a little presumptuous to everywhere, thats what i wanted to say. I got no problem that you had almost all male teacher etc. I dont care what gender they are as long as they are doing their job. Though a lot o times people think they are doing a better job then they actually are.
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msamnesia (10/17/2015) [-]
sadly, guys get the short end of the stick when it comes to occupations like nursing or teaching or whathaveyou. Same way women are given short sticks when it comes to other occupations that are normally male dominated. If a woman can lift 500 pounds over her head, let her go on the front lines if she wants. she got this. if a guy wants to read Dr. Seuss to 5 year olds, let him. he has killer hand puppets to go with.
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abesimpson (10/17/2015) [-] I've studied in USA, Mexico, Brazil and Spain. I can say for sure there a plenty of guy teachers. In elementary there were plenty but women were more predominant and in high school a lot, If not most, were men (but it was kind of even).
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mydreams (10/17/2015) [-] In my opinion if you are good at something you'll get the job. Don't cry about guys being more likely getting a job than you which some people really do think is true: men being better than women.
And not to sound mean or anything but do you think your high school teachers and professors only got their jobs cause they are men?
And not to sound mean or anything but do you think your high school teachers and professors only got their jobs cause they are men?
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msamnesia (10/17/2015) [-]
Did you read any of my other posts, like, at all?
I wasn't even focused on the pay gap, only the fact that men whine about "guh my job is HARD/DANGEROUS/SUCKS" when they're the ones that picked said difficult/hazardous/crappy job.
And I never ONCE said I believed I should get a job over a guy, and never once said guys only got certain jobs because they're guys. I'm saying guys shouldn't be hurt by the double standards either. You know why a lot of men don't teach elementary school? Because dickholes don't want grown men around children. Even if they're great with kids and love children.
Why do I think my professors got their jobs? Because they're ******* good at what they do and they were some of the best teachers I've ever had and I can't wait to teach high school English next year and be like them.
If my male colleague has the same amount of degrees, knowledge, and experience as I do, I expect equal pay, and he should have just as good a chance as getting the job as I do. Our genders shouldn't matter at all.
I wasn't even focused on the pay gap, only the fact that men whine about "guh my job is HARD/DANGEROUS/SUCKS" when they're the ones that picked said difficult/hazardous/crappy job.
And I never ONCE said I believed I should get a job over a guy, and never once said guys only got certain jobs because they're guys. I'm saying guys shouldn't be hurt by the double standards either. You know why a lot of men don't teach elementary school? Because dickholes don't want grown men around children. Even if they're great with kids and love children.
Why do I think my professors got their jobs? Because they're ******* good at what they do and they were some of the best teachers I've ever had and I can't wait to teach high school English next year and be like them.
If my male colleague has the same amount of degrees, knowledge, and experience as I do, I expect equal pay, and he should have just as good a chance as getting the job as I do. Our genders shouldn't matter at all.
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mordadigsjalv (10/17/2015) [-] I work in construction, which is slowly gaining more women, however the only way that the local government could convince women to take up trades courses was to offer them completely FREE courses, and even then very few women decided to take these courses because they don't want to work in construction. Those few women I've seen on actual building sites are more often than not in very low risk roles (like painting) or not even involved in on ground works.
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msamnesia (10/17/2015) [-]
This post, the one with the horses. Oh my god.
Male horse, with all the little bags on his back about stuff he's gotta deal with.
Those are all the rebuttals used by men when women bring up the wage gap. So, in a way, yes, men do. Not "certain people". If you wanna met in the middle, we'll go with "certain men".
Male horse, with all the little bags on his back about stuff he's gotta deal with.
Those are all the rebuttals used by men when women bring up the wage gap. So, in a way, yes, men do. Not "certain people". If you wanna met in the middle, we'll go with "certain men".
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mydreams (10/17/2015) [-] Why are you even complaining about men complaining? I don't really see the point in your comments. Do men complain, yes and so do women! You say it's like every man complains about his ****** job, and have you ever wondered that not everyone is well educated and cannot and don't have the means of better work and are only able to get jobs in construction and labor **** like that. I seriously don't see a difference in saying blacks are lazy and men complain about their jobs, it's a very shallow observation and to be honest I don't know what I am saying right now, good luck becoming a teacher.
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mydreams (10/17/2015) [-] I was raised in a female family and I think very highly of women, my mom raised me and my sister alone and if you think you can't do something just cause someone told you cannot beause you are a female you are wrong. I know I sounded pretty mean in my comments I'm just trying to say you can do everything you want to wether you are male or female.
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slobiscuit (10/17/2015) [-] **slobiscuit used "*roll picture*"**
**slobiscuit rolled image**They fight for it so hard that they dont want to go to STEM kek
**slobiscuit rolled image**They fight for it so hard that they dont want to go to STEM kek
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PenguinHearts (10/17/2015) [-] Rofl your arguement is so facile. First off, although men's phsyiques typically allow them to have a higher maxing point in strength than women still only means that a perfectly capable, healthy adult female could easily put the time, effort, and work into being able to do something like coal mining. Just because a mans threshold for strength is higher is no excuse for women to not hit theirs and claim its unfair they "can't"
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msamnesia (10/17/2015) [-]
my point is men are just able to do physically tasking jobs better/longer/faster than women typically are. why is everyone so ******* butthurt about that statement?
sure, women CAN do it, but not a lot, and if they can, they have to work out every day and lift a **** ton to be on the same playing field as a man, thats just how nature is.
sure, women CAN do it, but not a lot, and if they can, they have to work out every day and lift a **** ton to be on the same playing field as a man, thats just how nature is.
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iwillrulenorway (10/17/2015) [-] female applicants are preferred in STEM fields in america, and to a huge degree too.
the problem is not that there's not any opportunities for them there's more for them than there are for men, it's that they don't want to go into those fields in the first place.
and this is in spite of the massive campaigns to get women into these fields while there are none for men though there are some for both women don't want to be miners or garbagemen is there a unisex word in english for that? and they're not as suited as they should be for it either, when it comes to STEM fields women are as suited for it as men are, but time and endless testing as well as campaigns to get women interested in it has not worked despite that in all grades/classes below it women and girls do far better than boys in most aspects in my opinion due to that the school system is downright hostile against boys at this point
the problem is not that there's not any opportunities for them there's more for them than there are for men, it's that they don't want to go into those fields in the first place.
and this is in spite of the massive campaigns to get women into these fields while there are none for men though there are some for both women don't want to be miners or garbagemen is there a unisex word in english for that? and they're not as suited as they should be for it either, when it comes to STEM fields women are as suited for it as men are, but time and endless testing as well as campaigns to get women interested in it has not worked despite that in all grades/classes below it women and girls do far better than boys in most aspects in my opinion due to that the school system is downright hostile against boys at this point
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msamnesia (10/17/2015) [-]
Oh good, you got the thesaurus I sent you.
And I was being satirical. Garbage men actually have a lot of work hazards. About a year ago a woman backed her car into a garbage man and pinned him between her car and the truck, severing his legs. he somehow lived. Does it suck? Hell yes it does. He was a good guy, didn't deserve it, and incidents like that really need to be cut back.
At the same time--he's working with a 10 ton trash compactor and hangs off the back of it as it drives around neighborhoods. There's a certain level of DANGER in the job description. He still decided to do it anyway.
And I was being satirical. Garbage men actually have a lot of work hazards. About a year ago a woman backed her car into a garbage man and pinned him between her car and the truck, severing his legs. he somehow lived. Does it suck? Hell yes it does. He was a good guy, didn't deserve it, and incidents like that really need to be cut back.
At the same time--he's working with a 10 ton trash compactor and hangs off the back of it as it drives around neighborhoods. There's a certain level of DANGER in the job description. He still decided to do it anyway.
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hapasan (10/17/2015) [-] Actually, it came up on the top of my head. I don't recall getting anything in the mail.
There is a difference between "bitching about how your job is unfair" and having the right to safety equipment and supplies.
Danger is understood. Hell, the most dangerous thing people do is drive to work, and they don't even realize it. There is going to be a risk in any job. However, I think the employer should be able to supply safety equipment, training, etc. Things of that nature. To me, complaining about the lack thereof isn't trivial. And like platinumaltaria said, I don't often hear men in that line of work "bitch." That doesn't mean men don't bitch. I hear as much bitching about their jobs from men as I do from women. However, these men typically have "cushy" type jobs.
Honestly, that wasn't the point. Mainly that the stigma that certain jobs that men can do are seen as women jobs. E.g. a man can be a clerk, but this is mainly a job that women do, and are generally accepted in. Not to say that these stigmas don't also exist for women too, however.
There is a difference between "bitching about how your job is unfair" and having the right to safety equipment and supplies.
Danger is understood. Hell, the most dangerous thing people do is drive to work, and they don't even realize it. There is going to be a risk in any job. However, I think the employer should be able to supply safety equipment, training, etc. Things of that nature. To me, complaining about the lack thereof isn't trivial. And like platinumaltaria said, I don't often hear men in that line of work "bitch." That doesn't mean men don't bitch. I hear as much bitching about their jobs from men as I do from women. However, these men typically have "cushy" type jobs.
Honestly, that wasn't the point. Mainly that the stigma that certain jobs that men can do are seen as women jobs. E.g. a man can be a clerk, but this is mainly a job that women do, and are generally accepted in. Not to say that these stigmas don't also exist for women too, however.
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draaaaiven (10/17/2015) [-]
If women want to work easy jobs I dont know what to tell them. Nothing can be done to raise the salary for their worthless jobs. Yeah, they deserve certain pay for certain work.
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junkbumpkin (10/17/2015) [-]
I don't think I've ever met a garbage man who expected things to smell like roses.
Or any guy who didn't know what they were getting into when then started the job.
Or any guy who didn't know what they were getting into when then started the job.
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platinumaltaria ONLINE (10/17/2015) [-] The so called "women's work" does a pretty good job of steering men away.
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hoponthefeelstrain (10/17/2015) [-] what is women's work? Seriously. All I can think of is maybe a nurse or a secretary but I don't see how men would get stigmatized for either. Male nurses might get made fun of by other men but I don't see women teasing him. If he's a good looking guy I'm sure his female coworkers would love to have him around.
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platinumaltaria ONLINE (10/17/2015) [-] Well those rolls are traditionally filled by women. So to start with you have hirers looking for women, who may select eye candy over a male. Second, men are, like everyone else, slaves to what there piers think. If your guy friends constantly mock you for your job, you may want to change your job.
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amuzen ONLINE (10/17/2015) [-]
in my home town it's almost impossible for a young guy to get a job doing something like working in sales or an office because things like cafe's and stores prefer a pretty face behind their counter over a guy. At the same time it's super easy for young men to get jobs working the docks or the mill yard and almost impossible for girls to get those jobs because they want strong healthy people with lots of physical endurance that are afraid to complain about poor working conditions.
Working the cold storage as a floor laborer when I was 14 I got 10 dollars an hour, working at the pizza joint as a waitress my girlfriend at the time got 8 dollars an hour. Point being there is that in a lot of places society does have a role for men, and a role for women. not out of any biases or sexism, but because they each have their own unique physiological differences that make them suited for different tasks. It just so happens the tasks that men are suited for leave them battered and broken so they get paid a bit more to compensate doing said tasks to compensate.
Working the cold storage as a floor laborer when I was 14 I got 10 dollars an hour, working at the pizza joint as a waitress my girlfriend at the time got 8 dollars an hour. Point being there is that in a lot of places society does have a role for men, and a role for women. not out of any biases or sexism, but because they each have their own unique physiological differences that make them suited for different tasks. It just so happens the tasks that men are suited for leave them battered and broken so they get paid a bit more to compensate doing said tasks to compensate.
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msamnesia (10/17/2015) [-]
well yeah thats a given, more hazard pay should be a thing. what feminists are p.o.ed about is that if a man and woman did the exact same job, with the exact same qualifications and everything, tehy only get 77% of the pay.
if a man is doing a super hard super dangerous job, and a woman is doing a super easy super cushy job--no duh she's gonna make less. that's not what the 77% argument is.
if a man is doing a super hard super dangerous job, and a woman is doing a super easy super cushy job--no duh she's gonna make less. that's not what the 77% argument is.
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amuzen ONLINE (10/17/2015) [-]
that's not what you said in the comment I was responding to, in the comment I was responding to your exact words were "men bitching about their working conditions when they're the ones that picked those jobs in the first place."
That parts wrong, I was saying why I think it's wrong and now it seems like you're acting like you never said that and are changing the subject rather than trying to amend or address your mistake.
I don't have anything else to add or subtract to that whole 77% wage gape fiasco although I've heard from more than a couple fairly reputable sources that statistic is ******** that's not what I, or you for that matter, was talking about right there and then.
That parts wrong, I was saying why I think it's wrong and now it seems like you're acting like you never said that and are changing the subject rather than trying to amend or address your mistake.
I don't have anything else to add or subtract to that whole 77% wage gape fiasco although I've heard from more than a couple fairly reputable sources that statistic is ******** that's not what I, or you for that matter, was talking about right there and then.
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drpenguinz (10/17/2015) [-] you dont always pick the job you want
dickhead.
some people are happy to find a job at all.
dickhead.
some people are happy to find a job at all.
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anon (10/17/2015) [-]
no im still studying physics
so i have no job
but do you really think people want to be cashier at walmart?
some people deserve better. there are people simply finding no other jobs than **** jobs with the education they got. yes some people are simply lazy and its their own fault. but some others for example finish some kind of apprenticeship and still find no job after.
just because it all went so smooth for you, you cant say its as easy for everyone.
if someone says he's unhappy with his job you cant argue "nah that cant be...because you picked it in the first place". if someone says so there is nothing to argue about.
and some other people simply never had the choice to get the education you got.
so i have no job
but do you really think people want to be cashier at walmart?
some people deserve better. there are people simply finding no other jobs than **** jobs with the education they got. yes some people are simply lazy and its their own fault. but some others for example finish some kind of apprenticeship and still find no job after.
just because it all went so smooth for you, you cant say its as easy for everyone.
if someone says he's unhappy with his job you cant argue "nah that cant be...because you picked it in the first place". if someone says so there is nothing to argue about.
and some other people simply never had the choice to get the education you got.
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sheepnut (10/17/2015) [-]
What's weird is that women do the same thing when they pick a job that only pays 40k a year. Then they cry that they were forced into that job by society's standards, which is probably the least feminist thing they could say. White girls that sit around and bitch about how much the patriarchy puts them down piss me off. Women that are strong enough to overcome negative influences and set positive examples are the kind of feminists I'd root for.
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msamnesia (10/17/2015) [-]
i dont even know i i want to use the word feminist anymore because it seems to mean something different to everything i know or talk to about equality.
im perfectly happy with 40k a year, i like teaching, it's fun, and i get payed over the summer. i can't speak for the women that complain.
im perfectly happy with 40k a year, i like teaching, it's fun, and i get payed over the summer. i can't speak for the women that complain.
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sheepnut (10/17/2015) [-]
Most girls I meet that call themselves feminists usually aren't the crazy die hard kill-all-men tumblrina ones. I just tell them that because they see things more moderately, they're more of a humanist than a feminist. It's in the very word, feminism is for women and it's about women. Now that the inequality issues exist on both sides of the gender coin and women aren't really any worse off than men, feminism should probably just take a back seat to humanism, which just centers on solving all the problems that humankind faces.
One of my teachers in highschool used to tell me about how her mom, a feminist, used to ridicule her for pursuing a traditionally female profession. She said that as long as you're happy with your profession and you're passionate, it doesn't matter if you're a 40 year old guy working at a day care or a 23 year old girl starting up her own business, you can do the job right.
One of my teachers in highschool used to tell me about how her mom, a feminist, used to ridicule her for pursuing a traditionally female profession. She said that as long as you're happy with your profession and you're passionate, it doesn't matter if you're a 40 year old guy working at a day care or a 23 year old girl starting up her own business, you can do the job right.
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alexlife (10/17/2015) [-]
"being less likely to pursue a raise" About this, there were some recent research where a large group were asked about their current position in their industry, their ideal position and the highest position they could realistically attain.
And the results showed that "Women had no doubt they could "realistically attain" the same level of success as men, but they listed lower ideal positions"
You can read the rest of it here, rather short article - www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-25/women-don-t-want-promotions-as-much-as-men-do
And the results showed that "Women had no doubt they could "realistically attain" the same level of success as men, but they listed lower ideal positions"
You can read the rest of it here, rather short article - www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-25/women-don-t-want-promotions-as-much-as-men-do
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buffygifs (10/17/2015) [-]
Actually, a significant portion of the wage gap is "unexplained." (Still exists when all other factors are the same.) And that gap is there in almost every industry.
"Yale University economics professor Joseph G. Altonji and the United States Secretary of Commerce Rebecca M. Blank found that only about 27% of the gender wage gap in each year is explained by differences in such characteristics."
"Economist June O'Neill, former director of the Congressional Budget Office, found an unexplained pay gap of 8% after controlling for experience, education, and number of years on the job. "
"Yale University economics professor Joseph G. Altonji and the United States Secretary of Commerce Rebecca M. Blank found that only about 27% of the gender wage gap in each year is explained by differences in such characteristics."
"Economist June O'Neill, former director of the Congressional Budget Office, found an unexplained pay gap of 8% after controlling for experience, education, and number of years on the job. "
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anon (10/17/2015) [-] Ha ha! Oh wow! A Talking horse? That's so silly.
What will you people think of next?
What will you people think of next?
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mindyourownbusines (10/17/2015) [-]
You're going to love the TV show!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_PZPpWTRTU
www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_PZPpWTRTU
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thechosentroll (10/17/2015) [-] I kind of wish it were true, so I could start a business that only hires women. Imagine the profit margins you could get by paying your employees 23% less than you're supposed to.
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emiyashirou (10/17/2015) [-] www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfights-handbags-tears-toilets-When-producer-launched-women-TV-company-thought-shed-kissed-goodbye-conflict-.html
Good luck with that woman-only business.
Good luck with that woman-only business.
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thechosentroll (10/17/2015) [-] Yeah, I've read that. But the key to success is to believe that you're going to succeed, even though a bunch of people failed to do the exact same thing. Like Jurassic Park.
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mikepetru (10/17/2015) [-] Say I own a store. I have thirteen employees. 3 men, 10 women. Each payed the same, 10 dollars. The collective income of all men is $30, all women $100. By the statistical method of the wage gap, I just 'proved' men make 30 cents for every dollar a woman makes at my store. Reverse the number of women and men, and now women make 30 cents for every dollar a man makes. Has their pay changed? No. Am I paying them unequally? No. But surprise, surprise, look how easy I can change the results without changing anything else.
Life isn't a math test. Statistics are ******** and can be manipulated to mean whatever someone wants them to mean.
Life isn't a math test. Statistics are ******** and can be manipulated to mean whatever someone wants them to mean.
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ishotthedeputy (10/17/2015) [-]
Wait... Do you think they just take the sum of what everyone makes and compare them between men and women? I know the 77% number isn't a good method, but good god you have absolutely no idea how stats work. Even the most biased person would look at that method and laugh. Jesus.
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hoponthefeelstrain (10/17/2015) [-] the one time I tried to negotiate my salary I got fired... and replaced.
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shenro (10/18/2015) [-] well im pretty sure you're suppose to do that before you start work, not after.
also your employer might have thought "i'll just find someone with the same qualifications that's cheaper" and if that's the case, then your qualifications were probably not very impressive, since they saw no loss from firing you.
also your employer might have thought "i'll just find someone with the same qualifications that's cheaper" and if that's the case, then your qualifications were probably not very impressive, since they saw no loss from firing you.
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hoponthefeelstrain (10/18/2015) [-] It was before I got hired, they wanted to pay me 4.25 an hour, and I live in new york. Sorry I'm a college student with no degree and not enough life experience but that pay is disgustingly low. To get the job I got a group interview and I emailed the employer back and fourth because he enjoyed my interview so much. Sadly I was competing in a job with adults who had 5+ years of experience and degrees. I'm sure they got hired too cause he had multiple positions open. But excuse me for thinking I'm worth more than 4.25. They said the job paid so low because "experience is the main reward". Experience doesn't pay my college loans.
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hoponthefeelstrain (10/18/2015) [-] I asked for 7.25 and we agreed on 5.25 because I really needed the job. He agreed, I waited 2 weeks and emailed him about my contract because he never sent it when he said he would, he said he chose someone else.
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ishotthedeputy (10/17/2015) [-]
I know they did that, but they didn't just compare the sums of the total, like in the above example.
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teevee (10/17/2015) [-] that's people lying with statistics, intentional or not. people can create statistics, but many can be misleading, especially if they are said to represent something they simply don't, like if you say some sort of statistic includes the whole population, when some parts of it are simply not included.
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wellimnotsure (10/17/2015) [-] No, that's statistics telling something that isn't true, it doesn't matter if the person is lieing or not. Statistics are inherently useless, they require extrapolation to be useful.
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subaqueousreach ONLINE (10/17/2015) [-] Statistics are ******** because 85% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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twiceasfun (10/17/2015) [-] Woman: "I get paid less."
FJ: "Lol you chose that job."
Man: "I have less comfortable working conditions and more workplace injuries."
FJ: "Anything other than 'lol you chose that job,' likely something about how victimized men are and how ignored their problems are."
You know, there are real problems that men face and that are then ignored that could be addressed instead of this dumb **** , just like how women face real problems that could be addressed instead of the imaginary wage gap
FJ: "Lol you chose that job."
Man: "I have less comfortable working conditions and more workplace injuries."
FJ: "Anything other than 'lol you chose that job,' likely something about how victimized men are and how ignored their problems are."
You know, there are real problems that men face and that are then ignored that could be addressed instead of this dumb **** , just like how women face real problems that could be addressed instead of the imaginary wage gap
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twiceasfun (10/17/2015) [-] That's fair, because I have definitely seen that happen as well before, but I most certainly see a lot of complaining in defense of men happening on here
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twiceasfun (10/17/2015) [-] I claimed that both choose the conditions they work in, at no point did I insuate that either was privileged. And yes, people on fj bitch about how unfair the world is to men all the time
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cloakndagger ONLINE (10/17/2015) [-] You're forgetting the fact that the ones who do bitch like that will often get chewed on for being a weak-ass beta loser, probably the same type that would bitch about being friendzoned and how terrible women are for going after guys that aren't them.
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twiceasfun (10/17/2015) [-] I'll take your word for it that That's what you see happen, but I do not. The reason I wrote out the scenario as I did my comment, is because that's how I always see it happen
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twiceasfun (10/17/2015) [-] " men and women both choose their jobs That have ****** things about them"
This is what we call feminism now?
This is what we call feminism now?
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cabbagemayhem (10/17/2015) [-] WRONG. We only ever bring up our relative work conditions in the context of feminists complaining about equal pay. Here's a fact for you, men do get injured more on the job; women don't actually get paid less. Ergo, women complain about nothing, and men just don't complain.
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twiceasfun (10/17/2015) [-] I never claimed that men don't get injured or that the wage gap is real, I very much called it imaginary. The only thing I did say is that women choose lower-paying jobs and men choose higher risk jobs, so there's no point in either side complaining. And yes, dear, men do in fact complain. People in general complain, often. It's no specific group that does it
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cabbagemayhem (10/17/2015) [-] No, you said that we tell women to deal with their job choices, while we complain about our own jobs. But, we don't complain about our jobs except as a device to counter feminist complaints. We're the ones saying that the job market is fair without tampering with it.
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twiceasfun (10/17/2015) [-] Because I see guys complain about it all the time. What makes it complaining is when these guys add, "so we have it worse than women," to the end of their statement, and that is often something is indeed added
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cabbagemayhem (10/17/2015) [-] Have you ever heard someone say that in a thread that was not about feminism? The truth is, with feminism continuing to push pro-female legislation, it's no longer fair to men, and it ironically isn't fair to women, either, with declining overall happiness.
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twiceasfun (10/17/2015) [-] Yes, I have seen it brought up in an unrelated thread, which said complainer twisted into something about feminism when it was unrelated completely to that. And to be fair, despite all that utter ******** pushing to give women jobs and make it unfair for men, it is often still easier for a man to get a job, at least from my own personal experience and what I've seen happen, though I won't call that hard evidence
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cabbagemayhem (10/17/2015) [-] Of course it's easier for men to get jobs: employers are forced to pay women more than the market says they are worth. The real consequence of equal pay is that it takes away women's ability to negotiate for jobs by undercutting their male counterparts. This was discussed and in great depth decades ago.
If an employer is sexist, normally he has to pay a price to hire men instead of women. When you enforce equal pay, he's happy, because he has to pay no price to be sexist. I'm on your side, but your not!!!
If an employer is sexist, normally he has to pay a price to hire men instead of women. When you enforce equal pay, he's happy, because he has to pay no price to be sexist. I'm on your side, but your not!!!
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hoponthefeelstrain (10/17/2015) [-] but physical labor jobs are usually low level and get less pay than someone who sits behind a desk, mostly because the one behind the desk most likely went to school to make sure he wouldn't have to do a physically taxing job. Think about mcdonalds workers, they're on their feet all day dealing with angry customers but they get paid less than the nice CEO's who just sit behind a desk all day who figure out plans on how to make more money. Even though labor jobs are more work, they usually get paid less because they require the least amount of skill.
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cabbagemayhem (10/17/2015) [-] What are you saying? Yes, men hold more of the low-skilled physically demanding jobs that cause injuries. They also hold more of the STEM jobs that don't. Women hold both low-skill and high-skill jobs too, but they are usually not physically demanding, nor in the STEM fields. These are all by choice.
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hoponthefeelstrain (10/17/2015) [-] yea so why use low skill physically demanding jobs as your reason for getting paid more because you do more work, even though physically demanding jobs are usually paid less? I get a lot of men are in stem fields which is higher paying.
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cabbagemayhem (10/17/2015) [-] That's not what I was saying. Physically demanding jobs aren't the reason we get paid more, we get paid more because we choose more STEM-type jobs. I was contrasting the false complaint of the wage gap with the factual complaint of on-the-job injuries. Ultimately, there is no real wage gap, only different choices; and everything works out equal in the end on its own without applying arbitrary regulations to the system.
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captainprincess ONLINE (10/17/2015) [-] To be fair, we never claim we're NOT hypocrites
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captainprincess ONLINE (10/17/2015) [-] Didn't claim that either
All I said was that we never claimed not to be hypocrites
as in
We're actually ******* hypocrites
All I said was that we never claimed not to be hypocrites
as in
We're actually ******* hypocrites
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guitarguise (10/17/2015) [-] I don't think it's a matter of men being dissatisfied with the jobs that they choose. They know fully well the risks involved in a dangerous job. What makes them upset is that they learn to accept the more dangerous, rewarding jobs without complaining. And yet feminists come in and complain that women, who have chosen to take less dangerous jobs, are complaining about not receiving the same rewards.
So it's about the risk-reward ratio. Feminists are demonizing men for making more without looking at the reason that they make more - higher risks, longer hours, stronger dedication to the company (especially after children), and the like. I think most men are content with the trade-off, but when women demand more while taking no additional risk, and simultaneously claiming that men cheat for their hard earned wages, is when these men are no longer happy about it. Men have feelings, too, you know. No one likes to be called a bad guy, especially when evidence is lacking.
I will say, though, that FJ can get too fussy about the issue. We do need to remember that women, even in first world America, face issues as well.
So it's about the risk-reward ratio. Feminists are demonizing men for making more without looking at the reason that they make more - higher risks, longer hours, stronger dedication to the company (especially after children), and the like. I think most men are content with the trade-off, but when women demand more while taking no additional risk, and simultaneously claiming that men cheat for their hard earned wages, is when these men are no longer happy about it. Men have feelings, too, you know. No one likes to be called a bad guy, especially when evidence is lacking.
I will say, though, that FJ can get too fussy about the issue. We do need to remember that women, even in first world America, face issues as well.
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scootabot ONLINE (10/17/2015) [-] If a man chooses a job to work in a place where someone walks in and smashes your finger with a hammer every hour, then he complains about it, then it's his fault. He decided to work there.
IF a woman gets paid less for doing the EXACT same job a man does, then that's discrimination and is illegal. The company will get sued and the woman will never have to work a day in her life.
The wage gap doesn't exist. When FJ says that she 'chose that job' what they're actually saying is that the 77% statistic is actually taken from a broad array of different jobs with women taking leave for pregnancy, not doing any overtime, not working as much, etc. So, when all of that is BROADLY stroked with the same brush, yes, women SEEM To be making only 77% for every 100% a man does, but it's just not true.
I highly recommend watching this video.
IF a woman gets paid less for doing the EXACT same job a man does, then that's discrimination and is illegal. The company will get sued and the woman will never have to work a day in her life.
The wage gap doesn't exist. When FJ says that she 'chose that job' what they're actually saying is that the 77% statistic is actually taken from a broad array of different jobs with women taking leave for pregnancy, not doing any overtime, not working as much, etc. So, when all of that is BROADLY stroked with the same brush, yes, women SEEM To be making only 77% for every 100% a man does, but it's just not true.
I highly recommend watching this video.
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hoponthefeelstrain (10/17/2015) [-] I mean most companies have a policy where you can't discuss wage with your coworkers, so she'd probably get fired if she brought the issue up to HR. She could file for wrongful termination but if she signed a contract that said don't talk about that stuff and she did anyway, it wouldn't be wrongful. Also most states have at will employment meaning that companies can fire you at any time for any reason. Also if she did take the wage thing to court she'd have to PROVE she got paid less and that she was being paid less soley because of her gender.
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Shiny ONLINE (10/17/2015) [-] Well, Machiavellian behavior is about doing anything that gets you power, not adhering to ideological tenants. Think about it, when was the last time a fringe lunatic had any opinions on what would be best for society beyond their farcical agendas? Society could be communist, feudalist, monarchist, it doesn't matter as long as they benefit undeservedly.
Extremism isn't about how much change you want, but by how heterodox or limited your worldview is. Most actual convictions, like Marxism, Austrian economics, neoconservatism, etc, all have largely the same goal.
Extremism isn't about how much change you want, but by how heterodox or limited your worldview is. Most actual convictions, like Marxism, Austrian economics, neoconservatism, etc, all have largely the same goal.
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twiceasfun (10/17/2015) [-] I dunno if you noticed, but I did in fact say that the wage gap was imaginary. That wasn't sarcasm. My point was that both chose the job where something is ****** in such and such way, not just the woman
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internetnick (10/17/2015) [-]
Women in their 20's make more than men in their 20's now.
I demand equality.
I demand equality.
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sympathyfordevil (10/17/2015) [-] It's a myth.
My mother works harder than her male colleagues and also gets paid more.
My mother works harder than her male colleagues and also gets paid more.
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kingofthedragonmen (10/17/2015) [-] Yes most, but allot men are stupid too. Just in different ways.
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morebuckets (10/17/2015) [-]
Yea, most.
The typical basic bitch is such a common stereotype it's frightening
The typical basic bitch is such a common stereotype it's frightening
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mathmanchris (10/17/2015) [-] They realise it very well. And they realise that they get things for free when they bitch about it. They bitch about everything until they get what they want.
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mathmanchris (10/17/2015) [-] I'd do they same if it worked for me. Wouldn't you too? Graduating in STEM is hard work, so why not bitch about how kindergarden teachers make no money?
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mathmanchris (10/17/2015) [-] There is a lot of stuff women can fight for, no education for women and girls in the middle east, female circumcision in Africa etc, but Tumblr "feminism" is only about getting **** and forcing people to make them comfortable.
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bodeejus (10/17/2015) [-] That was actually really awesome. I have this Ethnic studies teacher who never shuts up about the friggin wage gap and he always says how "you ladies are taken advantage of in American society." It really grinds my gears. I have to work so hard to keep my mouth shut at all the pure ******** this guy spews.
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buriedstpatrick (10/17/2015) [-] Yup.
And it's funny, since I live in a liberal socialist country where women on a total average actually earn a bit more than men. Women on average simply prefer jobs that directly benefit society, whereas more men will pursue careers in the private sector and in better paying industries. It's pretty obvious that the economic system in my country, with our high taxes and what I'm sure Americans would consider a big government, that women naturally thrive better economically. Under this system, however, taking inititative and establishing new technologies and solutions can be hard due to the high taxation on wages, etc. Such is the way of socialism.
What I don't like about the American left is how they assume that quotas are the solution to fixing the problems inherent in capitalism, or if these problems even are problems. I think men (and this is me assuming a lot) are naturally more adapt in the individualist capitalist system, whereas women work better with collectivist social systems.
These allegations of sexism and misogyny is simply an emotional byproduct of the disagreement over individualism vs collectivism, masculinity thriving in the first, femininity thriving in the latter. It's not about oppression or hatred, it's simply about preferences, otherwise we'd see these supposed 'feminist scholars' actually make career choices that will benefit them economically rather than emotionally.
I'd actually agree that men probably have it 'easier' in a system that expects them to work hard to reap their rewards, because they're naturally enclined to do so. Men were hunters, men put themselves in harms way for themselves and others, men died in wars, most scientific breakthroughs have been done by men. The purpose of women was traditionally to care for the family, be emotional support, form social bonds, document human nature in a way most men probably don't see it, and many have suddenly stopped valuing this trait as if it's somehow 'less' than what men achieve. I think we can thank feminism for that.
I'd love to work with women in software development, but the sad fact is that very few women care about it enough to make a career out of it. Feminism is like the person that never shows up, but is still mad that you don't invite them to everything.
And it's funny, since I live in a liberal socialist country where women on a total average actually earn a bit more than men. Women on average simply prefer jobs that directly benefit society, whereas more men will pursue careers in the private sector and in better paying industries. It's pretty obvious that the economic system in my country, with our high taxes and what I'm sure Americans would consider a big government, that women naturally thrive better economically. Under this system, however, taking inititative and establishing new technologies and solutions can be hard due to the high taxation on wages, etc. Such is the way of socialism.
What I don't like about the American left is how they assume that quotas are the solution to fixing the problems inherent in capitalism, or if these problems even are problems. I think men (and this is me assuming a lot) are naturally more adapt in the individualist capitalist system, whereas women work better with collectivist social systems.
These allegations of sexism and misogyny is simply an emotional byproduct of the disagreement over individualism vs collectivism, masculinity thriving in the first, femininity thriving in the latter. It's not about oppression or hatred, it's simply about preferences, otherwise we'd see these supposed 'feminist scholars' actually make career choices that will benefit them economically rather than emotionally.
I'd actually agree that men probably have it 'easier' in a system that expects them to work hard to reap their rewards, because they're naturally enclined to do so. Men were hunters, men put themselves in harms way for themselves and others, men died in wars, most scientific breakthroughs have been done by men. The purpose of women was traditionally to care for the family, be emotional support, form social bonds, document human nature in a way most men probably don't see it, and many have suddenly stopped valuing this trait as if it's somehow 'less' than what men achieve. I think we can thank feminism for that.
I'd love to work with women in software development, but the sad fact is that very few women care about it enough to make a career out of it. Feminism is like the person that never shows up, but is still mad that you don't invite them to everything.
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bodeejus (10/17/2015) [-] Wow. Couldn't have said any of that better. When people try to talk about this battle of the sexes, I always try to say, how about men and women are equal, but different as well. It's fine of you are a woman and want to try to get a better paying job, but most don't simply because they don't want to. Also, I'm not sure if he directly said anything about this, but a lot of women in the working field are mothers, and it's possible they chose not to further their career to take care of their children. As you put it, men tend to play the "protector" role and women the "nurturing". And hey, sometimes those roles can be reversed if that particular man or woman prefers the other. It's that people mistake sexism for just a natural order of the way men and women usually work.
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buddywuggle (10/17/2015) [-] Couldn't businesses just expect as much from women as men, if they can't carry the weight of the modern world then let them die, and have the ones who can do it breed as usual.
tl;dr version: Stop looking at people's genitals and let god kill the dummies.
tl;dr version: Stop looking at people's genitals and let god kill the dummies.
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marno (10/17/2015) [-] This image is misleading. She gets paid the same (with the exception of raises he asked for but she didn't, and therefore didn't get) but he still has all that **** .
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Sethorein ONLINE (10/17/2015) [-] If this were real I'd only employ women...
Why employ 10 men when I can employ 13 women instead? As the numbers increase so does the benefit.
100 men or 130 women?
1000 men or 1300 women?
etc. etc. You'd be saving 23% on wages for female workers so you may as well never employ men.
That's kinda why standardized wage was terrible for black folks. It was imposed because racist employers would only employ black guys who would work for less than white guys. When it was imposed the employers shrugged their shoulders and fired all their black guys cause they didn't see the point in hiring a black man instead of a white man if you could hire two blackies to every white man.
Why employ 10 men when I can employ 13 women instead? As the numbers increase so does the benefit.
100 men or 130 women?
1000 men or 1300 women?
etc. etc. You'd be saving 23% on wages for female workers so you may as well never employ men.
That's kinda why standardized wage was terrible for black folks. It was imposed because racist employers would only employ black guys who would work for less than white guys. When it was imposed the employers shrugged their shoulders and fired all their black guys cause they didn't see the point in hiring a black man instead of a white man if you could hire two blackies to every white man.
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mindyourownbusines (10/17/2015) [-]
When it was imposed the employers shrugged their shoulders and fired all their black guys cause they didn't see the point in hiring a black man instead of a white man if you couldn't* hire two blackies to every white man. I think I fixed your typo.
