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meals en base and den' t pay state taxes. ll. married
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the heat or AC, black mold in almost 50% of barracks
accross at least the Marine barracks, and little to no
freedom to actually change the reem to actually feel
like a home.
The "Free" meals apply only to the generally
catchalls which are not usually very healthy. Those
meals are alse only allowed during separate roughly
3 hour blocks through out the day and if youve
stuck at work and can' t get out, then you don' t get
your "free" meal like we were supposed to.
I don' t know who told we we don' t pay state taxes,
hut that is false. Every single service member I know
pays state taxes.
While it' s true a married service member is allotted
additional funds to pay for housing, they lese those
funds should they elect to live on base.
Did we do ANY research be for we said those
things?
not going to criminalize being an unskilled
worker, I feel for we. I have been broke and
struggling to survive on very little money.
That being said, don' t we dare tell me the burger
flipper deserves the same pay as the young
man/ woman willing to die for their country. Sorry
I' m not sorry if youve offended by my thoughts.
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#117 - bazda (12/10/2013) [+] (15 replies)
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Low level fast food jobs were never meant to be careers. If you don't like making minimum wage, get a better job. Educate yourself or go to trade school and learn a skill. Paying unskilled workers $15/hour to make low quality food will not give them a "living wage," as the cost of everything else in the country will go up to reflect the increase in minimum wage. Anyone with even basic information on how economics works knows this is a terrible idea that won't help anyone.
#40 - ketchupshinobi (12/10/2013) [-]
BEHOLD! OP HAS SUMMONED PARAGRAPHS!
BEHOLD! OP HAS SUMMONED PARAGRAPHS!
User avatar #73 - Maroon (12/10/2013) [+] (4 replies)
Everyone is looking at this at completely the wrong way. Instead of saying, "Hey, look how much it sucks to be them. They shouldn't complain because their life doesn't suck that hard." Maybe we should take a step back as a society and make it so nobody's life sucks that hard. Realistically speaking, it is impossible to live on your own with minimum wage without working 70 hour weeks and even then what you can afford isn't good by any means. The only way to live off that pay is to stay with parents or share a house/apartment with several other people. People wonder why so many take unemployment instead of getting a job, well that's why. Why would they work their ass off to get a quality of life equal or even lower than the one that they could have for free?
User avatar #41 - thenewnuggubler (12/10/2013) [+] (5 replies)
I gotta call ******** on the last part, at least on some things. My dad's served in Iraq twice, and both times their provided housing was in excellent condition for being well more than reused, and they all got their own places, along with them being decent sized, and decent amenities. The food was decent by the standards of the area, and there was a general store with tons of stuff available on base. They also provided wifi.
#97 - zekaizer (12/10/2013) [+] (2 replies)
Why not raise both wages?
#124 - softcover (12/10/2013) [+] (3 replies)
I'm assuming you're American so stay with me,   
   
for the bonus pay that you get for over time, and for weekends, and for nights, and health care for life, free burial, college, you are actually exempt from sales tax on bases, retire after 20 years, you'd have to screw up majorly in most branches to not get promoted after 3-5 years, most people aren't seeing battle time.   
   
You guys get a whole hell of a lot that isn't mentioned in that post.
I'm assuming you're American so stay with me,

for the bonus pay that you get for over time, and for weekends, and for nights, and health care for life, free burial, college, you are actually exempt from sales tax on bases, retire after 20 years, you'd have to screw up majorly in most branches to not get promoted after 3-5 years, most people aren't seeing battle time.

You guys get a whole hell of a lot that isn't mentioned in that post.
User avatar #35 - nightmareschild (12/10/2013) [+] (5 replies)
I was reading this type of stuff earlier today, my only thought is that minimum should be raised although 15 might be a bit high. Minimum wage was created as a living wage if I remember correctly.
#37 to #36 - nightmareschild (12/10/2013) [-]
This topic really interest me, I read alot ,but i'm not knowledgeable about finances enough to argue. I do wonder though, If what you say is true, wouldn't the raise in wages cancel out the raise in prices? And why would company's have to raise their prices cheaper, if people get more money, they spend more (usually), so why not just leave prices at level with a wage raise? (Kinda like black friday in a way.)

Anyway those are just my thoughts.
#32 - oxYKellark (12/10/2013) [-]
The comments are always 						****					 storms on FJ surrounding anything military. As a former arm chair general who thought he knew everything about the military in highschool i can say without a doubt even thought i was absolutely fascinated and almost obsessed with the military before i joined up i realized very quickly that i knew absolutely nothing about the military at all.  My point is that you truly DO NOT.... DO NOT! know anything until you are put into someone elses shoes. So i can tell you my point of view from the military side and i can say all the bonus, on base housing and 						****					 the first argument made is absolutely not true. As far as the mother of 4 kids stuck in limbo working at Mickey D's to barely make it by every year living in a 						******					 apartment i cannot speak for and so i will not judge anyone for demanding higher wages. However like some people will argue, you volunteered for the military it was your choice, so deal with it. Yes that is true, but it was also their choice to not go to college and get a degree and have sex with some 						********					 who left them after they got pregnant. It is your choice to do what you want in this world, if you are unhappy do not blame anyone but yourself.
The comments are always **** storms on FJ surrounding anything military. As a former arm chair general who thought he knew everything about the military in highschool i can say without a doubt even thought i was absolutely fascinated and almost obsessed with the military before i joined up i realized very quickly that i knew absolutely nothing about the military at all. My point is that you truly DO NOT.... DO NOT! know anything until you are put into someone elses shoes. So i can tell you my point of view from the military side and i can say all the bonus, on base housing and **** the first argument made is absolutely not true. As far as the mother of 4 kids stuck in limbo working at Mickey D's to barely make it by every year living in a ****** apartment i cannot speak for and so i will not judge anyone for demanding higher wages. However like some people will argue, you volunteered for the military it was your choice, so deal with it. Yes that is true, but it was also their choice to not go to college and get a degree and have sex with some ******** who left them after they got pregnant. It is your choice to do what you want in this world, if you are unhappy do not blame anyone but yourself.
#13 - kankerkanker (12/09/2013) [+] (2 replies)
If you think you're not making enough money at McDonald's, quit and find another job or go to school. If you think living conditions in the military are sub-par, don't join the military. I don't know what the ******* problem is, but neither of the people in OP's post are making sense.
#10 - jakatackka (12/09/2013) [+] (1 reply)
Why not improve the conditions of both parties? I'm from an area with rampant poverty. Some of the people go into the military, others are trapped in minimum-wage jobs and are perpetually unable to make ends meet. Why can't both parties be paid a living wage?
User avatar #145 - MrMustacho (12/10/2013) [+] (1 reply)
1) we don't get paid enough so others shouldn't get fair pay either

2) but you get free stuff as compensation for **** pay while we don't

3) that "free" stuff is **** so others should be paid even less than us
#99 - Womens Study Major (12/10/2013) [+] (2 replies)
Instead of just correcting and actually thinking about how ****** both min-wage and army situations are OP is basically saying "BLAH BLAH ARMY BAD BLAH BLAH I HAS BAD BLAH BLAH YOU DON'T GET TO COMPLAIN CAUSE I HAS WORSE BLAH BLAH **** MIN-WAGE PEOPLE I'M BETTER."
Do you know that some states don't even have a minimum wage? You do some goddamn research and you'll learn why they are so pissed.
#115 to #99 - bazda (12/10/2013) [-]
There is a federal minimum wage, so yes, every state does have a minimum wage.
#5 - purplegolem ONLINE (12/09/2013) [+] (2 replies)
The debate here is not that one should be paid more instead of the other, its that both should be paid more.

As someone who is paid minimum wage, I can confirm that if I had to I would be unable to live off of it. The fact that I flip burgers (in this case, chicken) is irrelevant.

Let me repeat that. I could work for forty hours a week, and be unable to support myself. Now I understand that people with a degree or a certain subset of skills should obviously make more. To think otherwise would be silly.

But the fact remains that there are people out there who work full time and cannot live off of those wages. It is a scary thought.

User avatar #105 - areo0420 (12/10/2013) [+] (2 replies)
Aparently you don't do too much research either...

I've personally lived on a total of 4 military bases Military brat. Father was in the service . The military housing in all but one of those were houses. The people fresh out of boot camp got the equivalent of apartments with one, single, roommate. The one that wasn't actual houses allowed us to pick out an apartment complex close to the base and they paid a certain amount of rent I believe it was 70% . Oh, and did I mention that base housing was absolutely free? you had to pay for damages, but still... free. We only had bug problems in one house and the base exterminator dealt with it free of charge.

I'd also like to point out that my dad was in the Air Force... so it may be an isolated thing.
User avatar #93 - douthit (12/10/2013) [-]
How about everyone who wants to pay for overseas wars gets a bill in the mail, and everyone who doesn't gets left the hell alone?
User avatar #86 - idividedbyzero (12/10/2013) [+] (2 replies)
The part about the roach infested, and ****** chowhalls does not apply to every single base in the world. It applies to bases with a **** ton of roaches, and a ****** maintenance crew. Sometimes, living in an area where there are roaches is inevitable, there will be a problem. But you can still keep your home clean. If you don't like the chowhall food, you don't have to eat it. Buy your own food, you can afford it. I don't have to research this **** because I live in an army base on Oahu, and roaches are ******* everywhere. No matter where you go the ground will be moving, but the only houses I know that have roaches in them are ones owned by people who don't take care of themselves. The freedom to change the way your room looks varies as well, along with ac control and **** like that. Same with the mold. Mold happens in humid environments, and it isn't the same with every housing situation, and it's mostly for people that can't keep clean. What I'm trying to say is, don't blame the army for not having your own **** together.
#81 - stingrays (12/10/2013) [-]
While it is more likely than not that you will come back from Afghanistan if you deployed there currently, it still stands that some will not. One dying is too high a price in my opinion. That being said, learning about PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder) and TBI (traumatic brain injury, from being around too many explosions) and the number afflicted with these can shed new light on the whole situation to those thinking the wars of today may not be worth their support. I wear the uniform and pray every day that I do not receive word that my unit is going to deploy. That being said, you better believe that should the word come down, the private will pick up his rifle and do his job. Until then ill work my 50+ hour week and live in my little barracks room, and you wont hear many complaints from me. If people want their pay raise, let them have their say, good for them. Many died before i ever put on the uniform so that people may voice their thoughts and opinions without persecution.
#16 - iamnuff (12/09/2013) [+] (2 replies)
even someone flipping burgers needs enough money to live on.

soldiers get far more than minumin wage, if they didn't nobody would ******* sign up.

and if your base is a ******** then you ******* clean it.

duh.
#33 to #16 - oxYKellark (12/10/2013) [-]
Right.....
I get paid 2.85 an hour as an E-4 in the U.S. Army. I believe that's below minimum wage.
People would sign up if you didn't get paid at all, kind of how the American revolution was conducted.
We clean our barracks, sweep, mop make our beds clean the showers latrines and the offices of our higher chain of command EVERY DAY.

Its the on base housing that has been around since the 1940's that's the problem, its discounted because i wouldn't be able to afford a normal apartment outside of the base otherwise. Yes you can live in open barracks with 60 other people but if you want to start a family or have a wife or significant other they don't get to live in the barracks, so you get a house on base.
User avatar #1 - konradkurze (12/09/2013) [+] (8 replies)
serving the military to protect the american people
OR
serving burgers which poison the american people

im sorry, paying the poison dealer more is BS
User avatar #3 to #2 - konradkurze (12/09/2013) [-]
so true
theyre underpaying the ones who work harder and have less freedom about how they work

the worst the burgerflippers have to worry about is stuff like the assholes who chimp out over not getting extras on their **** for free

the soldiers..they have to be on edge 24/7 for stuff like shooters, IED's, and even **** like scorpions in their boots

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