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Australia is doing it right

Yesterday ata:
Australian state whoesthat kids will be banned from child care and
kindergarten are vaccinated.
No jab, no play" vaccination laws will be introduced in
Victoria
The Victorian govern me is getting eerie us about its vaccination policies,
announcing that as ofa January 2016, no child will be admitted to child care,...
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#28 - bemmo (08/18/2015) [-]
They have enough legitimate things trying to kill them, they aren't taking any chances with getting killed off by some stupid **** like measles.
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User avatar #152 to #28 - elcreepo ONLINE (08/19/2015) [-]
Every child has enough legitimate things trying to kill them even in the burbs of the whitest part of America

Measles should be the least concern when your kid can die from ingesting peanut butter.
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#224 to #152 - anon (08/19/2015) [-]
Allergies to things such as peanut butter are a genetic weakness, that being allowed to be passed on irresponsibly, especially in such a place of considerable over-breeding only continues to persist.

Medical science has made it entirely possible to coddle the species into a weaker and weaker state overall. Simply by negating survival of the fittest.
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#225 to #224 - anon (08/19/2015) [-]
Oh, and that's why there's so many stupid people too. Fitness of mind is a thing and it seems to be lacking in swathes.
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#275 to #225 - anon (08/19/2015) [-]
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#237 to #152 - anon (08/19/2015) [-]
No. You don't get it.
You will die in Australia if you step outside your house in a wrong way.

Stop pretending that life in your concrete zoo is tough.
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#207 to #28 - anon (08/19/2015) [-]
Fun fact: Nobody in Australia has died from a spider bite since 1979.
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#219 to #207 - anon (08/19/2015) [-]
Thats because in australia the corpse is eaten by spiders before its found
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User avatar #287 to #207 - supersnake (08/19/2015) [-]
it's not the spider bite that kills them, it the snake bite afterwards


we all know the spiders and the snakes work together
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#238 to #207 - anon (08/19/2015) [-]
Fun fact: No hospital holds a record of a person being bitten by a spider, receiving medical care and dying since 1979.
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User avatar #257 to #207 - wtfduud (08/19/2015) [-]
Nice try, Australia.
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User avatar #3 - turtletroll (08/18/2015) [-]
Too bad their government is ******* everything else up
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#65 to #3 - anon (08/18/2015) [-]
Mm, government forcing people to do things, that's exactly what we should all want, remember how great that was when we had kings and **** ? good ****** times.
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User avatar #71 to #65 - niggastolemyname (08/18/2015) [-]
Not letting people do something because they haven't done something else isn't exactly forcing anyone to do something, it's not like those kids can't be homeschooled (where their immune system will welter and be stunted BUT HEY)
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#173 to #71 - anon (08/19/2015) [-]
how will their immune systems be stunted by being homeschooled?
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User avatar #184 to #173 - billybong (08/19/2015) [-]
If you don't get exposed to diseases you can never build any antibodies and therefore are more vulnerable when they do hit you. It's the whole principal on how vaccines work to begin with but in a passive manner instead of a vaccine with a specific purpose
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User avatar #199 to #184 - djcoldcutz (08/19/2015) [-]
You must not know any homeschoolers if you think they're that sheltered that their immune systems would suffer....
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User avatar #208 to #199 - billybong (08/19/2015) [-]
I just said IF you don't get exposed to diseases. I didn't say Homeschooled kids don't ever interact with other people.

Don't put words in my mouth
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User avatar #209 to #71 - aaronsalsa (08/19/2015) [-]
Hey man I was home schooled and let me just tell you, the gross computers in the computer lab at my college haven't killed me yet
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User avatar #123 to #65 - strictlycommenting (08/18/2015) [-]
Government forcing people to do things? You mean laws? You mean like every single government on Earth?

Bro, the government forces people to do things because people allow themselves to be forced. A state doesn't have power if it's citizens don't believe in said government.

Usually, things are forced because they're better for everyone. Forcing vaccinations, in this case, can prevent kids who can't afford them from dying. Look up herd immunity.

You want complete freedom? Go found a new state without governments or laws. See how that turns out.
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User avatar #195 to #65 - platinumaltaria ONLINE (08/19/2015) [-]
******* government, keeping it citizens healthy; They should learn from 'murica to let everyone but the rich die...
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User avatar #286 to #65 - sarphog (08/19/2015) [-]
yes do you remember please explain it to the fullest of details to those of us who dont
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User avatar #285 to #65 - segwaynazi (08/19/2015) [-]
long live the Commonwealth!
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User avatar #281 to #65 - ohzooeli (08/19/2015) [-]
Because letting people get diseases and die is better than getting them vaccinated and not having them die from diseases that have known cures?

I think not.
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User avatar #168 to #65 - langweilig (08/19/2015) [-]
what kind of troll goes anon. bad troll
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#167 to #65 - geminiousofohara (08/19/2015) [-]
when people cant see the sarcasm
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#164 to #65 - cornstalk (08/19/2015) [-]
australia is such a ******* nanny country that at this point we are happy the law atleast makes sense and is helpful instead of just another thing being banned.

and its not forcing, its saying you want state childcare/ state assistance for your childcare discount then you need to comply to these things, its dangerous for others if you dont get vaccinated and so it makes sense they require you to be up to date on your shots.
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User avatar #134 to #3 - tealkangaroo (08/19/2015) [-]
they aren't horrid and evil, they're just a massive ******* pain in the ass
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User avatar #177 to #134 - turtletroll (08/19/2015) [-]
Well they've done some pretty ******* evil **** recently
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User avatar #35 to #3 - runescapewasgood (08/18/2015) [-]
don't worry. it'll be right.
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User avatar #53 to #3 - mookiea (08/18/2015) [-]
WE should just agree that everyone's governments are ******* all their **** up.
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User avatar #58 to #53 - cheeseboyofdoom (08/18/2015) [-]
Australia banned A-cup women from appearing in porn because they said it would lead to pedophilia.
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#61 to #58 - anon (08/18/2015) [-]
How dare those women not get implants!
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User avatar #80 to #58 - unmexicano (08/18/2015) [-]
Maybe thats the excuse to have more BT porn.
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#55 to #53 - fiahhawt (08/18/2015) [-]
We ain't stopping just as countries other than the US start getting **** for their **** ups
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User avatar #57 to #53 - wrpen (08/18/2015) [-]
We always have. Just because the shoe's on the other foot doesn't mean we respond any different.
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#64 to #3 - containlettersonly (08/18/2015) [-]
Government ***** everything up, which is why I'm always so perplexed libs want to give it more power.
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User avatar #213 to #64 - turtletroll (08/19/2015) [-]
Except that the problem with Australia is that some private businesses have way too much power and freedom to **** everyone over.
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#95 to #86 - dwarfman (08/18/2015) [-]
The most amazing thing about Fascism is the fact it is still considered a good idea even after all the heartache it's caused. What's more amazing is how a pack of aspy tards have continued the cult originally envisioned by Himmler.

As Wilson campaigned against the German people got the wrong end of the deal, no reasonable human being could believe they were solely responsible for the great war.

That aside: Hitler was a ******* moron, the Russian campaign was disastrous, he did not stomp the Brits before going east, his allies were too incompetent to even hold North Africa tying up his best general. His economy was built completely on credit without the conquest of new lands it would have collapsed by 1942. Above all else you seem to forget the German people under him.

Like the Sudais they had work, a car, good food, and a positive outlook so they overlooked the fact they could not speak out of turn without being blackbagged. They overlooked the seizure of the German arms manufacturers, the Auto makers, among others. Not Jews, Germans through and through who owned their companies centuries. The end result for less than 20 years of fake prosperity? 4,200,000 Germans dead. Their nation rended in half and militarily occupied. But no, because he made a few good speeches he was clearly the best option for the White race.

tl;dr: Less freedoms, personal properties seized, millions dead, and an expanded government that abused it's power so it's elite could live well. Don't worry, you'll learn.
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#245 to #95 - anon (08/19/2015) [-]
I think the only ones who get any Credit for anything good that happened is the German Nation itself.
It has proved for almost 2 thousand years to be incredibly efficient and despite all the victories and loses rises back again and again and become stronger.

There is probably a bigger underlying cause why Germans are so effective, rather than 1-2 good/bad leaders here and there.

Look for example at Russia - almost the same situation, supposedly a Nation that somehow pulled through the nations.. yet it is **** and hinders its development. Last to ditch slavery in the World, last to acquire capitalism. There's nothing that would hold them from prosperity, yet they simply cannot do it.

The French is actually another great example of success, as they seem to be able to fight for their place since the beginning of the Roman Empire.

The brits however have not shows this endless will to survive, despite the fact they almost conquered the whole important world. I love UK, but doubt in the nearest 500 years they will ever be able to make another push for greatness. Even now there are more talks about splitting up, rather than becoming a superpower once again.
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#241 to #95 - anon (08/19/2015) [-]
My country suffered greatly from USSR and faggot russians, but I still admit that philosophically communism is a great idea. It just happens that unless we weald Incredible computing power or humans become robots, it cannot exist.
fashism and communism existed looooong before 20 century
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User avatar #131 to #95 - juter (08/19/2015) [-]
Did you actually read the image?
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#132 to #86 - peterdivine (08/19/2015) [-]
That was a fascinating read.

Not remotely true, as a result of some of the absurd blanket statements it bases itself off of, but a fascinating read regardless. A glimpse into the mind of a segregationist. "I want the best of mankind to lead, but they can't nor ever will be blacks or women."

How unfortunate. He was almost onto something.
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User avatar #143 to #132 - juter (08/19/2015) [-]
Give your supreme power to the men who will use it to best benefit humanity. Unquestioned, unfiltered, unshared power, in the hands of the altruistic tyrant who will do what needs to be done to progress.
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User avatar #234 to #143 - durkadurka (08/19/2015) [-]
Men are fallible and corruptible. Even the best of us make many mistakes. And we all naturally put our self interest first and foremost.
You're a fool to entrust absolute power to a single man. Even the best of us cannot be trusted with such power. Even the best and brightest can not possibly know enough to make all of the right decisions. There is simply too much to learn and not enough time in which to do it.

This is central planning and it is inherently inefficient.

Tyranny is the oldest form of human civilization. We are well versed with the rule of tyrants and it is only without them that we have achieved unprecedented advances in the condition of human civilization. We let lose the abilities of ALL men instead of just one.

Tyrants will slaughter millions all the while believing what they're doing is good, right, and just.

And you would subjugate yourself to lick the boot of such a person.
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User avatar #309 to #234 - juter (08/19/2015) [-]
I'd rather lick the boots of a man that I believe in than a million men that I don't.
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User avatar #313 to #309 - durkadurka (08/19/2015) [-]
You're searching for something that doesn't exist.
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User avatar #314 to #313 - juter (08/19/2015) [-]
Exactly. People get so mad when we try to interject this idea into discussions, despite the discussion itself being completely pointless.
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User avatar #315 to #314 - durkadurka (08/19/2015) [-]
I fall victim to it myself from time to time, but putting emotion into these kinds of discussions just ends up being counter productive.
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User avatar #142 to #132 - juter (08/19/2015) [-]
At what point did it say there cannot be blacks or women?

>implying the blanket statements aren't true
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#148 to #142 - peterdivine (08/19/2015) [-]
"Women should be prevented from holding any position of authority."

Literally point #1 in the second comment, and to make this statement is to write off literally half the population of the world as incapable of leadership. I don't know about you, but I find that a very, very large jump to conclusions. Some women incapable of leadership? Certainly. Most woman? Probably. All women? No.

"Non-White people cannot maintain White civilization."

No? One only needs to look at Japan and South Korea to see that they can. But even if you argue that theirs is not a 'White civilization' (although both were made possible and modeled after significant White influence) you still ignore the larger elephant in the room- that you are claiming that the entirety of a civilization can be summed up by its majority skin color. That is a statement so absurd I don't even know how to reply.

Put a bunch of whites raised by ghetto blacks on an island, and compare them to a bunch of blacks raised by educated whites on a different island, and tell me which one succeeds. By such a maxim as "White civilization," the White men will have the superior outcome, every time, because the inferior non-White group will naturally deteriorate while the superior White one will only improve.
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User avatar #157 to #148 - juter (08/19/2015) [-]
All that becomes obsolete once genetic rewriting becomes mainstream and anyone can become whatever they desire.
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#161 to #157 - peterdivine (08/19/2015) [-]
Ho hum, all that becomes obsolete once we find a way to store human brains in robots and we free ourselves from biological obstacles.

Just as lofty a proposition, and just as much a pipe-dream. It might be obsolete in that fantastic future you propose, but until then, it matters NOW.
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User avatar #176 to #161 - juter (08/19/2015) [-]
It's all pointless conjecture, the government won't change anyway.
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User avatar #155 to #148 - juter (08/19/2015) [-]
1. At no point did it say that blacks and women couldn't exist in the society. They're just forbidden from holding a position of power. Would you rather just have grace periods for women to take off of their responsibilities while they have their periods?

2. Japan and South Korea are not White countries. Their civilizations look at ours the same way we look at theirs: as a spectacle. We don't inbibe our government with Japanese culture, nor do they with American culture. Watch Japanese cartoons does not amount to naming Obama our Emperor.
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#159 to #155 - peterdivine (08/19/2015) [-]
I'd rather have a woman who's a more effective leader even on her period in power than the second-best choice for the job, because you can bet your ass she earned the right to be there. That IS what a meritocracy's all about, right?
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User avatar #174 to #159 - juter (08/19/2015) [-]
As if a woman on her period could run a nation effectively
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#185 to #174 - peterdivine (08/19/2015) [-]
If there was ever a sexist comment, this is it. Preventing a woman from even the ability to contest for leadership because she has periods and thus couldn't possibly be a leader of humanity, now or in the future?

Your mother must be so proud of you.
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User avatar #210 to #185 - juter (08/19/2015) [-]
Allowing such petty societal constructs like sexism to get in the way of forwarding the progress of humanity is one of the biggest problems of our generation. It has nothing to do with sexism, it's just biology. Women lose control of their emotions for a week or so every month, this isn't disputable.
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#211 to #210 - peterdivine (08/19/2015) [-]
Uh huh. What about the women after menopause?
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User avatar #212 to #211 - juter (08/19/2015) [-]
Well, only those conditioned from a young age would be burdened with tyranny, so I doubt that, unless special circumstances came about in which a girl was selected to join the Ablest Men. Some sort of disorder or deficiency that affects their hormonal development, I guess. I'm not a doctor, I don't know in-depth how differently male and female bodies develop at puberty.
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#215 to #212 - peterdivine (08/19/2015) [-]
This is getting tedious, I'm not going to keep repeating myself.

Your ideologies fail because you refuse to acknowledge a true meritocracy embracing all humans. Your world would have women as second-class citizens, unable to hold any career, anywhere, other than entry-level jobs because they aren't allowed to be the authority on anything at all, ever.

That alone should be reason enough to re-evaluate your life choices, pal.

Don't bother responding; I certainly won't.
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User avatar #216 to #215 - juter (08/19/2015) [-]
So, you misread my side of the conversation, get angry about my opinion being wrong, then bitch out because you refuse to consider my points.

Alright, I guess.
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#240 to #86 - anon (08/19/2015) [-]
yeah.. his first argument is that women suck.
Neckbearding intensifies.

Let me tell you a quick story.
Once upon a time there was a small Eastern European country. "Thanks" to filthy dogs in *********** we not only got a nice 30% russian population after the collapse of the ussr, but also overtook a lot of russian traits, despite alwasy claiming that we are the continuation of the free capitalist republic of 30's.
These traits are political corruption, trying to **** over your own country members, being indecisive and conservative in the dumbest fields, avoiding intelligence, instead preferring plutocracy/oligarchy, while completely disregarding the need for strong economic-minded people.
Men led this society for 20 years.
When finally a woman president was elected. Similarily to M.Tetcher or A.Merkel she made UNSEEN progress connecting our small ******** country to the world, bu establishing long-lasting contacts with UK, USA, EU (we joined later), NATO, Netherlands and Sweden. She was the embodiement of everything National, at the same time behaving like a true leader internationally.
It was the only time in my life I felt proud of my country. We almost had a de facto Queen.
After her term ended, she left, as she never wanted to join petty small politics.

So don't you disrespect women.
You guys often copare your low level girlfriends to elites. You yourself probably are the scum in their eyes, as you are no leaders and alphas yourself.
Choose your girlfriends more carefully and your view on women will change.
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User avatar #227 to #64 - durkadurka (08/19/2015) [-]
They're convinced that the problem is that they haven't gone far enough.
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#125 to #64 - jujuface (08/18/2015) [-]
Are you genuinely perplexed? Is it really so difficult for you to empathize with an opinion that differs from yours that you become confused about their choices?
liberals probably disagree with you when you say government ***** everything up
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User avatar #127 to #125 - containlettersonly (08/19/2015) [-]
No, I was making a point, I completely understand why they do it. It's genetic, r/K selection in motion.

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#130 to #127 - jujuface (08/19/2015) [-]
I completely agree, but from a completely different perspective.
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User avatar #24 to #3 - deffy (08/18/2015) [-]
Tony abbot, why is he still here the cunt.
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#145 to #24 - anon (08/19/2015) [-]
but he's the better cunt we have at the moment
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User avatar #306 to #145 - deffy (08/19/2015) [-]
Welcome to australia, we're all cunts.
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User avatar #5 to #3 - timelordjam [OP](08/18/2015) [-]
yeah he's a right cunt
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User avatar #10 to #5 - threeeighteen ONLINE (08/18/2015) [-]
Abbott isn't the sole problem. Our political system is broken and corrupt.
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User avatar #56 to #10 - threeeighteen ONLINE (08/18/2015) [-]
Not sure why I'm getting thumbed down. I'm agreeing with everyone here.
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User avatar #76 to #56 - thedoomdonkey (08/18/2015) [-]
I think its a case of people just thinking that Abbott is the sole problem. Which of course isn't the case, but they like to think that
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#146 to #10 - anon (08/19/2015) [-]
*all political systems
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User avatar #244 to #146 - threeeighteen ONLINE (08/19/2015) [-]
I can only speak for the Australian system, but I wouldn't doubt it.
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User avatar #18 to #3 - thechosentroll (08/18/2015) [-]
Even a broken clock's right twice a day.
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User avatar #21 to #18 - peanutsaurusrex (08/18/2015) [-]
what if its missing a hand
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User avatar #22 to #21 - timelordjam [OP](08/18/2015) [-]
you're spittin some deep stuff man
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#36 to #21 - anon (08/18/2015) [-]
Then it would be right twice a day (If it's missing minutes) or it would be right 24 (If missing the hours)
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#1 - carbohydrates ONLINE (08/18/2015) [-]
And now we wait for the angry facebook posts about autism.
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User avatar #16 - rakogoki (08/18/2015) [-]
"but... vaccines have CHEMICALS in them, you cant force me to inject my child with CHEMICALS!"
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User avatar #26 to #16 - cognosceteipsum (08/18/2015) [-]
When I say **** the world, are you to rock
As I piss on your face while you suck on my cock
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User avatar #30 to #26 - whitie (08/18/2015) [-]
I smacked your face you fell in love when I said **** your mom
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User avatar #37 to #16 - wootsauce (08/18/2015) [-]
The government shouldn't have the power to inject you with anything...
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User avatar #45 to #37 - daniboyi (08/18/2015) [-]
and you shouldn't have the freedom to be a breeding ground for viruses and diseases that will make many more sick.
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#147 to #45 - anon (08/19/2015) [-]
i'm for people making choices based an at least knowing what they are putting into their bodies.
but you have no ******* clue what you're on about

viruses and diseases are everywhere. The body has a natural immune system that fight's these off. Common sense hygiene and good diet are what help protect and boost the effectiveness of your bodies ability to fight. Can vaccines help? yes
will there be any difference to the overall health of the kids in victoria compared to previous years or to other states
no
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User avatar #196 to #147 - brobathehutt (08/19/2015) [-]
No, it is YOU who has no clue what you're on about. If the government can force you to go to school it can sure force you to take a ******* vaccine so you don't make people sick. If you had a sudden outbreak of the black plague in your area you wouldn't think twice of asking the government to force every dumb ******* to get vaccinated to protect everyone. It is a governments job to do the best for its people, and if the people are too stupid to get vaccines then it is the governments job to get those vaccines.
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User avatar #202 to #147 - rainbowrush ONLINE (08/19/2015) [-]
You're so far off it's hilarious. Please stop speaking out of your arse; it's not for everyone.
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#256 to #147 - warwren (08/19/2015) [-]
Do you not understand? the original paper suggesting vaccines cause autism was 100% fabricated, has been completely debunked, and caused outbreaks of entirely preventable diseases.
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User avatar #242 to #147 - truemecid (08/19/2015) [-]
Vaccines is a compound that consists of a weakened state of the bacteria, that is causing the disease, mixed with an additive that helps the immune system to more easily find and destroy the bacteria and create a natural immunity to the disease.

Just remember that the diseases you can and do not vaccinate your kids for they can contract from animals, insects, other wild life and unvaccinated kids which has the bacteria.

You also have to take into account that a child's immune system is not as advanced or powerful as an adults. Therefore they are more readily susceptible to get sick.
Taking into account that most kids do not have the best hygiene, (even if mom and dad wash them everyday and tell them not get dirty) as children tend to hug, fight, do patty cake, play tag and other activities that brings them into physical contact with eachother they will spread a bacteria more easily between eachother.

The vaccination helps your kid develop its immune system faster and more efficient so it does not succumb to diseases like polio which could actually kill it. We only have to 80 years back into the past to see just how high infant and child mortality can be without vaccination.

Believe what you want, but please be responsible and let your kids get vaccinated.
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User avatar #60 to #37 - rakogoki (08/18/2015) [-]
the government shouldnt have the power to stop me from raping my neighbor, its my freedom to put my penis where i want right?
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User avatar #169 to #60 - wootsauce (08/19/2015) [-]
Seriously?
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#63 to #37 - anon (08/18/2015) [-]
Your freedom stops where it infringes on others, particularly public health. You don't have the freedom to hurt others around you by law.
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User avatar #170 to #63 - wootsauce (08/19/2015) [-]
So if I have a cold I should be quarantined now... Also not being forcibly injected would be Freedom.
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User avatar #171 to #170 - rakogoki (08/19/2015) [-]
wheres my freedom to rape? why should i be forced not to rape?
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User avatar #175 to #171 - wootsauce (08/19/2015) [-]
So. Your argument is that you can't forcibly put things in people yet you defend.... Forcibly putting things in people?
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User avatar #180 to #175 - rakogoki (08/19/2015) [-]
sure why not.
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User avatar #172 to #37 - wootsauce (08/19/2015) [-]
Also. Wow. First time I've been in the red on FJ. Quite a day. But I think people judge too harshly. Obviously I think not having vaccines is ******* stupid but I just don't think the government should have the power to inject you with things against your will. That's all.
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#205 to #172 - skebaba (08/19/2015) [-]
They are not forcing you. If you don't get your kids vaccinated, you can always home school your kids. They aren't forcing you, they aren't just letting your kids to go to school. It's your choice entirely.
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#2 - Sperit (08/18/2015) [-]
brb moving to Australia
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#44 to #2 - anon (08/18/2015) [-]
you sound awfully stupid today
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#23 to #2 - anon (08/18/2015) [-]
good bye

hope you die
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#62 to #23 - anon (08/18/2015) [-]
We are resorting to death threats now?
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#94 to #62 - anon (08/18/2015) [-]
thats a death threat?

i thought a threat was,"if you come to Australia i will kill you"
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User avatar #25 to #2 - deffy (08/18/2015) [-]
I have almost died from a western brown snake kk, would recommend
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#189 to #2 - crazyaussie ONLINE (08/19/2015) [-]
Don't do it, its a trap.
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#197 to #2 - dtanobo ONLINE (08/19/2015) [-]
The government here is like a strict parent
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User avatar #15 to #2 - fazbearxplain (08/18/2015) [-]
no! I don't want you to get eaten by a house spider! when I say house spider, I don't mean 'spider that lives in a house'. I mean HOUSE spider
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#43 to #15 - anon (08/18/2015) [-]
That's a dude. In case you don't know.
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#93 to #2 - furiousmarshmellow (08/18/2015) [-]
Do you want to die?
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#29 to #2 - anon (08/18/2015) [-]
enjoy all the animal/insect life wanting to kill you.
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User avatar #187 to #2 - nibblebrsingr (08/19/2015) [-]
Sperit, real talk
Australia isn't an unpleasant place to live because of the venomous animals or deadly anything. Its unpleasant to live in because the Australian government has turned this country into an authoritarian ******** . Seriously this nanny state is an inch away from turning into a police state, this is the only sensible thing i can recall them doing in my lifetime
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User avatar #4 to #2 - timelordjam [OP](08/18/2015) [-]
dont. we have ****** prices on everything.
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#17 to #2 - moonmeander (08/18/2015) [-]
trust me, you don't want to unless you plan to get ****** up by every second animal that you see and experience some of the ********* internet on the planet
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#7 to #6 - rawryrawr (08/18/2015) [-]
Take this
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User avatar #8 to #7 - kenshirokisame (08/18/2015) [-]
thanks mate
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User avatar #9 to #8 - rawryrawr (08/18/2015) [-]
No problem
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#33 - rollingpicture (08/18/2015) [-]
**rollingpicture used "*roll picture*"**
**rollingpicture rolled image**

B-but my autism!
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User avatar #89 to #33 - juter (08/18/2015) [-]
Sounds about right
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#144 - lionti (08/19/2015) [-]
Its nice to see my Country actually make a decent change that will overall benefit the community, considering our leader is the next Bond villain this is a big step forward.
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#150 to #144 - anon (08/19/2015) [-]
too bad we don't have anyone better running
it sure as **** ain't the opposition
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User avatar #153 to #144 - bewailedbadger (08/19/2015) [-]
We all know he's not getting a second term. He claimed he'd get Australia out of debt with his ******** budget.

And then put us in more debt.
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#154 to #153 - lionti (08/19/2015) [-]
Its because he is made of pure 100% evil
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User avatar #156 to #154 - bewailedbadger (08/19/2015) [-]
RIP NBN ;_;
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User avatar #266 to #156 - fagnut (08/19/2015) [-]
nbn hasnt even been announced in my area

i dont think i will ever get it in my lifetime :<
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User avatar #277 to #266 - bewailedbadger (08/19/2015) [-]
Nor in mine, man, nor in mine. ;_;
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User avatar #191 to #144 - nibblebrsingr (08/19/2015) [-]
Please a bond villain would be more competent unless his evil plan was to continue turning our country into an authoritarian ******** like the last X leaders before him, if that was his plan he has succeeded
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User avatar #14 - wdparsell (08/18/2015) [-]
I see the Australian government is no longer just ******* spiders.
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User avatar #27 to #14 - thechosentroll (08/18/2015) [-]
How the hell do you even **** a spider?
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#32 to #27 - anon (08/18/2015) [-]
carefully
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User avatar #126 to #32 - hoponthefeelstrain (08/18/2015) [-]
but spider doesn't have puss puss
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User avatar #221 to #126 - taniv (08/19/2015) [-]
creativity is key
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#39 - tomhefailin (08/18/2015) [-]
You don't even have kids.
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#42 to #39 - anon (08/18/2015) [-]
then you are stupid?
not vaccinated people are dangerous for all.
moron.
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#47 to #42 - anon (08/18/2015) [-]
if you catch polio from someone elses kid you will care is what im tryin to say
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#68 to #47 - anon (08/18/2015) [-]
polio is a NORO-VIRUS. it can only be transmitted through feco-oral transmission, you LITTERALLY have to eat / drink the poop of the infected to get polio.
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User avatar #136 to #68 - Endofzeeworld ONLINE (08/19/2015) [-]
It can be transmitted Oral-Oral as well.
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#214 - Lintutu (08/19/2015) [-]
good. ******* ridiculous that we now have to ENFORCE something that should be common sense if you don't want to get measles/small pox/polio/whatever
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User avatar #236 to #214 - scowler (08/19/2015) [-]
They are kind of feeding and legitimizing the Anti-Vaxxers' allegations of a conspiracy behind Vaccines.
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User avatar #248 to #236 - syntheticdoll (08/19/2015) [-]
Or just, you know? Trying to prevent kids from dieing because their parents are idiots?
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User avatar #320 to #248 - scowler (08/19/2015) [-]
I don't agree with the Anti-Vaxxers, I was simply stating that the government reaction is playing into their narrative.

Say, what if the Anti-Vaxxers are actually a pressure group for mandatory vaccination? That'd be a shocker...
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User avatar #268 to #214 - VincentKing ONLINE (08/19/2015) [-]
I never had vaccines, and I couldn't be healthier

Well I stopped at grade 4 or 5 when my fear of needles began. It happened because a dentist removed a tooth or something in my mouth without asking, and also took something out from my gum. When I asked what they did, they denied doing anything other than checking my teeth. It could have been food in a newly lost tooth spot, and something stuck to my gum, but them not telling me really messed me up as a kid. Now I cant handle being in the same room as a needle, and once even chest kicked someone because they grabbed an eye dropper thing and pretended it was a syringe while jabbing it towards my arm.

TL;DR dentists caused a fear of needles that is only getting worse.
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User avatar #274 to #268 - adunsaveme (08/19/2015) [-]
I've never been murdered, so murder isn't a problem
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User avatar #276 to #274 - VincentKing ONLINE (08/19/2015) [-]
never stated it wasnt a problem, just saying I never had any of the diseases.
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User avatar #48 - twentyseconds (08/18/2015) [-]
on first glance, it looks like a kid is getting injected in the back of their thigh and it looks like a butt.
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#178 - notafunnyguy (08/19/2015) [-]
i have nothing wrong with vaccines... dont get me wrong... but this is starting to feel like some big brother **** . like, take this needle or be exiled and die. idk tho. just getting weird vibes from this lately
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User avatar #179 to #178 - captainprincess ONLINE (08/19/2015) [-]
Well
When people opt to willingly serve as the opened gate for long dead and terrible diseases to work their way back into human circulation, and aggressively fight for this position
It's genuinely for the good of all to get firm and dictatorial with them, as ****** a path as that is to go down
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#181 to #179 - notafunnyguy (08/19/2015) [-]
whatevers best for the human race as a hole i guess. we'd be so much further ahead science and technology wise if we werent so sensitive to emotions
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User avatar #182 to #181 - captainprincess ONLINE (08/19/2015) [-]
tru that

Wait for The Singularity
We'll be above all that then
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#270 - kaiserdjg (08/19/2015) [-]
there are too many people on this planet, i say let the diseases run free for awhile
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User avatar #279 to #270 - sugoi (08/19/2015) [-]
I'm sure you're only happy to let it run free as long as you are not one of the casualties.
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#322 to #279 - mmfan ONLINE (08/20/2015) [-]
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**mmfan rolled image**good answer... have a roll
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User avatar #289 to #279 - kaiserdjg (08/19/2015) [-]
ill take the hit like everyone else thank you very much... id die tomorrow if i could take half of earths population with me in peaceful sleep
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User avatar #290 to #289 - sugoi (08/19/2015) [-]
Diseases tend not to give a "peaceful sleep" figures when there's every known disease out there rampaging killing millions you're be perfectly content, oh but of course you get the "peaceful sleep" one and not the spewing blood and pain everywhere one.
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User avatar #291 to #290 - kaiserdjg (08/19/2015) [-]
dude ill be in the pain and blood and be content to know that those that come anew after i die will have better lives because the earth can sustain them
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User avatar #293 to #291 - sugoi (08/19/2015) [-]
Ah so you're the type to believe in something after death.
Well I'm in no position to argue your belief systems so let's just leave it at that.
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User avatar #294 to #293 - kaiserdjg (08/19/2015) [-]
no i dont believe in life after death... why would you say that? i said ill be content in death knowing it... no regrets sort of thing you know...

the idea is that you limit the population so the rest can have better lives
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User avatar #295 to #294 - sugoi (08/19/2015) [-]
Because you said anew. Considering the survivors wouldn't be living in a "new" world so much as a post-apocalyptic nightmare riddled with disease I wouldn't see this as a rebirth but a sentence to hell. So I just assumed you meant the dead will go to a better place. My bad.

And no that wouldn't improve lives, you probably assumed that we're having some kind of overpopulation problem but the logical solution would be to expansion and terraforming the earth.

Places like central Australia are completely barran due to lack of rainfall, if we could alter the landscape to become an environment that could sustain itself, even if it meant building an underground city, it would be a better solution than killing millions if not billions of people.

You're just picking the lazy solution.
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User avatar #296 to #295 - kaiserdjg (08/19/2015) [-]
dude your completely wrong...for one it wouldent be a post apocolyptic nightmare, there no zombie, the food would still grow, the machines would still work, there would actually be an abundance for people, if there were suddenly 3 billion instead of 6 nothing but the issue of getting rid of the bodies would be the problem, the animals would go on and so would life but there would be more for everyone.

were destroying the earth at a massive rate, the forests are ****** , the other species are ****** , the oceans are definetly ****** .... were killing the planet and its because were overpopulated and not concentrating our abilities on saving it....

people do not care, and i don't think that's gonna change, do you know how much plastic india and china dump into the sea per day???? do you know how thats effecting the sea life that sustains us...

the rainforests are being completely eradicated

were creating mass extinction of other species that keep our eco system in check

we cant terraform **** , this isnt a videogame pal, there's no reset button, and if there were people dont want to press it or dont care enough to try and do so.

so you create your underground city , then it gets overpopulated .... what then.... were growing exponentially.... by 2030 were reaching 12 billion on the earth....

we cannot sustain... we arnt gonna do some stupid **** like colonise a planet or get mass terraforming in the next 15 years.....

be logical.... be honest... for the earth and its populations to survive, humans have to reduce their numbers and ill watch my family die and suffer a horrible death to allow that to happen.... because its better than all of us dying and taking the earth with us
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User avatar #297 to #296 - sugoi (08/19/2015) [-]
I think you misunderstand what post-apocalyptic means, it does not mean zombies, it means the world has ended, figuratively of course.

Food will still grow but the people caring and growing those "foods" are dead. Machines won't work, power station workers are dead. There would not be an abundance of people as the diseases don't just "go away" and location with an infected corpse is a dead zone, you go in and you get infected and die. Quarantine would have broken out ages ago and you can expect all survivors of your little disease fun time are hiding in bunkers with no way to actually tell when it's safe to come out.

No we're really not. Forests are fine, other species are fine, the ocean is fine, the planet can't die with some ****** climate change on the top, you blow up the core and it's ****** , you make it hotter and it'll get over it. Weather has changed before, it an ice age won't kill the planet then a little heat won't either. We'd only be ******* it over for ourselves.

The answer is none, let me tell you why. It's because in China plastics are a goddamn commodity, I have been to china, people literally pick through garbage to find plastic bottles and **** to sell for money, they are that goddamn poor. Believe me when I say they aren't just dumping it into the ocean.

No that's a lie, aside from cutting them down you're not going to phase them much, they are their own ecosystem, that's why they can grow in hot areas, areas you generally don't believe trees should be growing due to how hot it is.

No that's also a lie, mass extinction my foot, California just dumped billions of liters (or millions of megalitres) down rivers to save a few fish at the expense of putting themselves in drought, they're not causing mass extinction you're making that up.

We can and have, you think the cities people live in were always concrete jungles? We've changed landscapes, it's not impossible it just takes time.

Why would it get overpopulated? You're assuming that the people in there are ******* without contraceptives and actually want children.

We can sustain, I never said mass terraform nor to colonize another planet, just to change locations on earth that are currently uninhabitable like central Australia, the gobi desert, etc. If Las Vegas can thrive in a desert then we can in others as well.

You're the one not being logical here, killing off people won't solve anything, it's ironic you complain about extinction of animals when you're here advocating human genocide.
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User avatar #301 to #297 - kaiserdjg (08/19/2015) [-]
you have to be ******* joking ??? or are you really that ignorant.... do a little research here ill help you.

not everyone is gonna die, not all the machine workers or the farmers will be dead... your going to extremes to try and claw onto your sense of what you think is right, your one of those people who are blissfully ignorant just to hold onto your way of thinking and your way of life...

things need to change... not all plastic is recyclable so its not a commodity, reuseable bottles might be but not all the hundreds of thousands of tons of plastic is ... i wish it were.


here have these and open your ******* eyes
the state of the oceans: www.youtube.com/watch?v=D41rO7mL6zM

the forests : www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4jhjt1_eyM

this is just the latest catastrophy: www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1jqMZC2M-w

our effects: www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAL9Xvrg3hI

no one is saying the body of the earth wont survive but we wont and neither will the other species if we carry on at this rate... your ignorant and dont have a clue what your talking about or what is happening to our planet.
how were effecting things : study.com/academy/lesson/pollution-and-habitat-destruction-the-human-factors-contributing-to-endangerment-extinction.html

extinctions : study.com/academy/lesson/over-exploitation-how-humans-affect-ecosystems-by-decreasing-species-populations.html
news.discovery.com/animals/endangered-species/human-caused-322-animal-extinctions-in-past-500-years-140724.htm


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User avatar #302 to #301 - sugoi (08/19/2015) [-]
I never said everyone is going to die, you said "if there was suddenly 3 billion" /Australia+is+doing+it+right/funny-pictures/5654543/296#296 so I'm going off that. The world's population isn't an even spread throughout every country, which I guess you're assuming because you know, since that is not the case, entire countries will be wiped out or if they're lucky, almost everyone.

Not really when apparently the world's population went from 7+ billion to 3 billion. I'm pretty sure some countries will be entirely eradicated and that means a lot of farmers and machine workers dead, in fact, they'll probably be the first to go since they can't afford bunkers to hide in.

Well yeah no arguments there buddy, things need to change, that's what I'm suggesting, you're suggesting genocide, I think that doesn't work.

So your proof is.
A man building an "island" from garbage.
An explanation about deforestation.
A nuculear meltdown.
A dead bird full of plastic.
The obvious (Humans affect ecosystems, shocker).
A few extinctions.

You see how that was a man purposely collecting garbage?
You know how trees can be replanted?
You see how Japan has been nuked twice plus a meltdown and yet everyone is fine there? animals included?
You see how that's just one retarded bird? You see how the solution would be awareness about littering and not human genocide?
You see how every species affects every ecosystem? You see how Cane Toads ****** up the Queensland ecosystem and the spider crabs ****** up europe?
You see how animals go extinct all the time with or without our help? Dinosaurs being a prime example? Have you not heard of evolution?

Use some critical thinking here, all you listed are indeed problems but none are solved via genocide.
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User avatar #303 to #302 - kaiserdjg (08/19/2015) [-]
so you didn't watch any of it then... blissfully ignorant is a definate with you... your not interested you don't care and you'll continue to be that way i guess, if you would have taken the time to do the research you would not be saying those things....

i'll continue to find a way to half our population in a peaceful non damaging manner so that we dont strain our ecosystems any further.

i'll also try to not buy any plastic produce not eat any irradiated cancer fish and stop the extinction of other species through my actions..., i'll go replant those trees and try to clean the oceans.... but if i dont do anything about the other 7 billion people im not gonna make a difference.... we need a solution to our overpopulation... the resources cannot hold us.

as for you ill say good day sir
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User avatar #321 to #303 - sugoi (08/20/2015) [-]
You reaaaalllly expect me to waste my time watching 4 20+ blaze it minute videos because one chump on the internet can't get his argument across without someone else doing it for him? And even then the sources don't prove the connection between human genocide.

Your method of human genocide and suggestion of human genocide is what I disagree with, a disease? you know how uncontrollable they are? Such an unreliable method war would have been a much better suggestion. As we've seen from the previous world wars, wars at least spark spontaneous advancement in technology which once the war ends, can be re purposed for other uses such as how computers went from purely communications to this massive database anyone can access.

You're gravely overestimating the effect the meltdown has, I already told you about how two nukes were dropped on Japan but apparently that went over your head. Those 7 billion other people have no obligation to the environment, an obligation you're forcing upon them.

Why don't you tip your fedora while you're at it.
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User avatar #324 to #321 - kaiserdjg (08/20/2015) [-]
Yea the fact that fukashima is a critical condition nuclear reactor surrounded by sea water that is still leaking radiation into the sea at a massive rate daily.. And has been for years now, Is not equivalent to a bomb that's radiation is spread via the air and dissapates. Fukashima is being cooled by pumping sea water into it, when that sea water is irradiated it gets pumped out and stored in containers, but they can't create the containers fast enough and the now old containers are.leaking because the irradiated sea water is corroding the seals on them.. There's thousands of those containers and they have no way of disposing of them... Fukashima poses a long term thread like chernobyl exept fukashima has the sea involved and when that happens your in trouble because irradiated seas cause irradiation in wildlife which causes cancer in people when eaten... I suppose I should be happy really I think my wish is coming true in the next 50 years...


But of course you'd know all that if unlike a chump you did your research, and did not just talk **** on the Internet like a child.


Non of use want genocide, it's what we need out of necessity. But the idea of humans dying is horrible to you, we do it to cows and pigs and chickens every day you don't bat an eyelid, there keeping you alive...

The videos were sources of proof of the ******** you were spouting about nothing is in trouble, well yea they are the seas,forests,other spices, us are all in trouble... It might not happen for 200 years but now is the time before its too late to change
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User avatar #292 to #291 - kaiserdjg (08/19/2015) [-]
its called logical sacrifice
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User avatar #158 - xtremehivoltage (08/19/2015) [-]
Does this include kids who physically cannot get a vaccine?
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User avatar #163 to #158 - JNS ONLINE (08/19/2015) [-]
I assume they were smart enough to write the law in a way that would not force a child to get vaccinated if they could not for a legitimate medical reason such as a proven allergy

but then again, it was written by politicians not doctors
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User avatar #305 to #163 - xtremehivoltage (08/19/2015) [-]
Lol

The reason to do this for those that can is fir the safety of those who can't

But it's still very authoritarian
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User avatar #183 to #158 - wanicochil (08/19/2015) [-]
Yes, only exception from vaccine is medical reasons, every other reason is void
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User avatar #251 to #158 - syntheticdoll (08/19/2015) [-]
Just curious, what is a case when a child physically can't get a vaccine? I heard of medical reasons like really weak immune system and leukemia but physical?
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User avatar #311 to #251 - JNS ONLINE (08/19/2015) [-]
I'm pretty sure those medical reasons are what he meant by physical

as if to say non-mental reasons such as their parents being antivaccers
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User avatar #304 to #158 - xtremehivoltage (08/19/2015) [-]
failijaili get your bitch ass back here and explain why you thumbed my legit question down
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#160 - Hawke (08/19/2015) [-]
Yes, laws that allows the government to force you to do things are good!

Forced government vaccination cannot be possibly abused in any way, and it will save our children!
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User avatar #249 to #160 - theorangefox ONLINE (08/19/2015) [-]
THE GOYIM KNOW. SHUT IT DOWN.

for real, that's ****** up, though.
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User avatar #110 - jewishcommunazi (08/18/2015) [-]
This is bad. Kids will suffer because their parents are retards.
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User avatar #122 to #110 - franktonfire (08/18/2015) [-]
Sure, but if they go to a school and even touch anything really (Because those places are filthy) they're ****** . Either way they're ****** . And they've got autismo parents. Who believe that the vaccines cause the autismo. When you think about it, it's a giant circle of autism.
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User avatar #128 to #122 - jewishcommunazi (08/19/2015) [-]
I understand the consequences, what I mean is that it's unfortunate how the kids will be the ones to suffer because of their parents' choice. They will be treated as pariahs so that they cause no harm to others.
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User avatar #129 to #128 - franktonfire (08/19/2015) [-]
Yup. although, it seems like most non-vaccers homeschool their kids, from what I've seen. Still no better though. Becuase once they get out on their own or even grow up a little to the point where they can really start going out and about, their immune system is probably gonna be weak as **** . Anti-Vaccers are bigger retards than the kids in the back of the class eating glue and Legos and **** .
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#124 to #110 - xxitzchubbsxx (08/18/2015) [-]
Vaccinations confirmed for parent autism.
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#66 - anon (08/18/2015) [-]
OK guys, we get it, if you don't get your kids vaccines, you are a retard. But should we really applause a piece of government legislation that allows them to flaunt their power? Personally, I don't think we should encourage the government to enforce laws like these.
Should you wear a seat belt? Of course, it helps make driving safe.
Should the government babysit us and our children? I don't think so...
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#79 to #66 - shaboom (08/18/2015) [-]
wel that point made why are drugs illegal
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User avatar #75 to #66 - capslockrage (08/18/2015) [-]
Vaccinations are a seatbelt against disease, and furthermore are there to protect OTHER PEOPLE just as much as the child getting vaccinated, so yes, it's about ******* time their government stepped in for this and now the U.S should do it too.
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User avatar #67 to #66 - Sethorein ONLINE (08/18/2015) [-]
False equivalence

Not vaccinating represents a danger to every child you interact with

Nit wearing a seatbelt is a danger to you alone.

A better equivalence would be the laws regarding drinking and driving which i imagine you dont oppose.
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#70 to #67 - bigjd (08/18/2015) [-]
Gonna have to go with anon on this one. not Vaccinating is not the same as deliberately climbing into a death machine without all of your faculties. Giving government legal jurisdiction to inject your kids could have horrible ramifications.
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User avatar #74 to #70 - Sethorein ONLINE (08/18/2015) [-]
Honey, the government makes more money when you aren't sick. They aren't trying to hurt you with vaccines. Please don't be a tinhatter :I
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#81 to #74 - bigjd (08/18/2015) [-]
The Government is full of assholes... honey. If you keep giving them **** to hold over your head, eventually they will have the power to make you work whether you are sick or not. The progress of a free society into an autocracy has been repeated in history so many times its not funny. Yet people still vote their personal responsibility away to the government like "Oh! it wont happen this time!"
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User avatar #88 to #81 - Sethorein ONLINE (08/18/2015) [-]
Slippery Slope Fallacy.

You're assuming Z given A without any evidence of how A leads to Z. You're not concerned about mandatory vaccinations, you're concerned about how manditory vaccinations will eventually lead to the ZOG/Illuminati brainwashing your kids to rat out their parents for thought crimes.

They make less money if people are working in unsuitable conditions.

Autocracy tends to occur during a violent upheaval for the sake of restoring order, not as a piece meal gradual descent. So appealing to history isn't really helpful here. There are no historical narratives (that I know at the very least, feel free to correct me), where a free nation democratically gradually allows their government to become an autocracy... unless you refer to Roma and the "election of Caesar as emperor for life". But I don't consider that a gradual change at all, and the government actually opposed that!

Oh and you think life was so great when the government wasn't involved in things? You think Capitalism unrestrained won't do EXACTLY what you're afraid governments will do? In the post civil war years of the united states, free capitalism led to some of the worst wage slavery in the country's history. You had countless people working for product vouchers from the companies they were working for. Not for legal tender, but bloody vouchers! Because a free market will allow for **** like that. If you're savvy enough you can fix the system and there's very little that can be done to bring you down. Competition? Banish the thought. Air Canada still does this **** . The moment a competitor comes in, they'll drop their prices and improve their quality until the competition runs out of business then return to their ****** tactics.

You might argue that in a modern world, the free market won't be as susceptible to such unscrupulous business practices, but to be frank I work on historical precedent, and we have a real glaring example of how free market can destroy the working man.

I'm not saying let nanny state take over, I'm saying balance free enterprise with government intervention. You don't always need to be an extremist. Centrism is a political stance as well.
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#96 to #88 - bigjd (08/18/2015) [-]
You have assumed quite a bit yourself. I am indeed a capitalist but I believe it only works when it is tempered by morality and it is not the governments place to dispense it. I think the government is a necessary evil needed to provide infrastructure. It is a source of power however and attracts such ilk as those evil bastards who ran those coal towns with workers who were essentially slaves. These people who flock to power try to centralize and consolidate thus you have those such as Crony Capitalists, and lobbyists who cavort with our politicians. One eventually becomes indistinguishable from the other.

Autocracy does generally happen under times of duress and I personally fear we are getting closer and closer to such a period. You can claim Im a conspiracy theorist, (sometimes I like to draw triangles on my friends facebook posts) But I think my perspective in this is based off of how I see the nature of humanity in general.

I do not agree that the modern world will somehow provide a safe haven for our old ideals. I think that many fall under that trap. Centralism would be nice if politics and public opinion stayed the same. I think its more like a pendulum though, swinging between extremes because people never know when to stop pushing.

If a child is already vaccinated how is he/she at risk from one who is not?
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User avatar #98 to #96 - Sethorein ONLINE (08/18/2015) [-]
Vaccines aren't a perfect cure.

If an unvaccinated person interacts with a virus, the person will succumb to it.

If a vaccinated person interacts with a virus 100 times, the person will succumb to it.

The numbers are made up, but I hope you get the idea. The vaccine is like giving your immune system a weapon's upgrade, but at the end of the day, you're immune system can still lose a fight, even with better equipment.
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#112 to #98 - anon (08/18/2015) [-]
ima respond when I get home this kindle blows for debate
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#186 to #112 - bigjd (08/19/2015) [-]
Most people when told by their doctor that they should be vaccinated, will do so. you wont run up against this same scenario that you fear. In the event that everyone remains ignorant despite public outcry except your child, then I suggest you get the hell out of where ever that is happening. People deserve the choice on whether or not to be treated because there are other world views than yours. Im not saying that they are right but a world without that freedom is characterized by a world devoid of any freedoms even over our own bodies. Doctors are not completely in the right all of the time and vaccines have been known to engineer even more lethal diseases.

viruses www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2015/07/27/leaky-vaccines-could-make-viruses-more-deadly-new-study-suggests/.

Not perfect but the first example on google. The point is, we will all eventually die. We take a risk just walking out the front door. People deserve a right to choose their own bodies autonomy unless it directly risks those next to them. You can argue that this is what you are arguing but I think you are drawing the line too close to being a hypochondriac. Drunk driving even has its limits for intoxication. Forcing people to undergo unwanted medical procedures borders on the kind of **** the Nazi's pulled. I know that that example is overused but its the most recent history we have to make such comparisons.

Making a completely "safe" world means making a world where no one has any freedom what so ever. Personal health is the last freedom a man might hold.

Our modern society has its own nuances and will not fall to autocracy exactly the same as previous civilizations but the key movements are all there.

You wanted examples of free people choosing dictatorships. well the earliest example I can think of is Biblical and I know that you might not take it seriously but I think it sets a precedent regardless. In the book of I Samuel in the torah, the Jews go to the head priest to ask for a king. Samuel is all like, 'you already have one' but the people say 'no, we want a human king.' They got one. a flawed one but they got one. He was replaced for failing. The next king failed also but did well enough. the next one brought them a kingdom to be envied by their surrounding nations. The next one failed so heavily that the nation fell apart. A couple generations later they were totally overtaken by surrounding kingdoms.

Russia also did this in their socialistic then communistic experiment. It did not even take a generation. to transition to a dictatorship. I agree with you that the modern world will not be susceptible to the same failures.

You say that you do not advocate a nanny state yet the concept of such can be described as the government (a parent) giving medicine to its people (a child) who refuses to take it. That is exactly what a nanny state is.

P.S. I actually enjoy arguing with people like you because you raise good points that challenge my viewpoints. Honestly I think you argued better than me but I still have a perspective that renders it unconscionable to me to grant that kind of power to those over me. I have no trust in the Government because it is filled with the worst kind of people within our collective. Those that want power. I would not give the government a mandate to make tis choice for me just as I would not give a schoolhouse bully then mandate over my milk money.
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#188 to #186 - bigjd (08/19/2015) [-]
allow me to edit. * "I agree with you that the modern world does not exemt us from the failings of the past."
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User avatar #77 to #70 - Sethorein ONLINE (08/18/2015) [-]
also the sick and dying from the measles outbreak in california disagree with you about the danger of not vaccinating
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#84 to #77 - bigjd (08/18/2015) [-]
Im not proposing we don't vaccinate, just that it should not be mandated. Thats a personal freedom.
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User avatar #140 to #84 - dorfdorfdorf (08/19/2015) [-]
no, because then you're ****** with other people. if it was possible for someone to get a vaccine-preventable disease and then have no chance of passing it on, id agree with you. but since it's the opposite, **** that noise.
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User avatar #254 to #140 - syntheticdoll (08/19/2015) [-]
I think his point is that from now on the goverment could put pretty much anything in vaccines and still force us to get it for our kids making them pretty much legal human experiments.
But maybe I'm jsut getting paranoid.
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User avatar #90 to #84 - Sethorein ONLINE (08/18/2015) [-]
I'm not saying we shouldn't drive sober, just that the government shouldn't arrest you for driving drunk. That's a personal freedom.

You need to understand that not vaccinating makes you a health risk to everyone around you.
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#99 to #90 - sickindaheyad (08/18/2015) [-]
alright ****** what about when the goverment decides to cull populations via "vaccination" oh woops guess i cant argue with walking towards certain death, also check em**sickindaheyad used "*roll 1, 1-1000*"**
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User avatar #100 to #99 - Sethorein ONLINE (08/18/2015) [-]
the second that happens you think there won't be armed revolution? How would they target those specific populations? They can set up centers in different communities, but that's no guarantee you won't kill people who aren't part of those populations

We don't life in Maoist China, Hitler's Germany, nor Stalin's Soviet Union. That kind of government orchestrated genocide isn't so easy to accomplish
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#102 to #100 - sickindaheyad (08/18/2015) [-]
plenty of ways, they can just say there was a mistake in the vac or worse if you live in a country like australia where you got not guns to defend yourself, how will you oppose the goverment? dont give me that revolution crap cause its barley worked in most arab countries and still hasnt done jack **** . and thats not even counting china, good try having a revolution in china
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User avatar #103 to #102 - Sethorein ONLINE (08/18/2015) [-]
>10 million people who are all one specific colour are dead

oopsy poopsie!

Yeah, that isn't gonna work

>who will revolt against the government if we have no guns?

Soldiers who probably don't approve of a government that actively kills its citizens.

>it didn't work in the arab countries

Really because Egypt is doing pretty okay and to be honest, it takes decades to really ascertain the success of a revolution. France's revolution took a bloody century to bring a real democracy to the country.

>Comparing the US to China

Somehow I feel you're losing sight of what we're talking about when you're comparing a democracy with freedom of press to an autocracy without freedom of press.
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#107 to #103 - sickindaheyad (08/18/2015) [-]
militaryman dont always revolt when you pay them bribes, and even if they do thats still dumb to put your life in someone elses hands. egypt isnt doing too well friend, and thats only one of the many arab countries but alright lets say they do eventually revolutionize
lastly just because the us isnt china level of dictatorship doesnt mean it cant become and if it does well laws like mandatory vaccines will surely bite you guys in the ass (and for the record freedom of press means jack **** in the us when all media is owned by the same family, a stretch maybe but it sure looks like it)
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User avatar #111 to #107 - Sethorein ONLINE (08/18/2015) [-]
You can bribe every soldier in your army, eh?

dumb to put your life in someone else's hands? You asked who would revolt if you couldn't get guns. I'm not the guy saying you shouldn't have guns.

Slippery slope fallacy again. You allowed vaccines to be mandatory, you're officially a comunist dictatorship now? There are hundreds of steps, buddy. Hundreds that you gotta take before you become a dictatorship like China.

Oh and mass media can't quell social media. Social media is governed by individuals.
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User avatar #101 to #99 - Sethorein ONLINE (08/18/2015) [-]
also, slipper slope fallacy.

Assuming Z because of A, bud. There's a lot of steps between making vaccines mandatory and a government orchestrated genocide.
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#105 to #101 - sickindaheyad (08/18/2015) [-]
slippery slopes have so far been right, and i guess i can see your point, but nowadays goverments have ****** people over countless times and generally proved to be a nuissance. i just dont see how giving them the power to mandatory vacc is any good
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User avatar #106 to #105 - Sethorein ONLINE (08/18/2015) [-]
Governments are like civil engineers. If you're doing your job right, no one will even notice you're doing anything, but if you do your job wrong, people die.

Complain all you want about your government but they do provide services for all the grievances they cause.
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#109 to #106 - sickindaheyad (08/18/2015) [-]
i wouldnt say that but so be it, we clearly live under different goverments
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User avatar #113 to #109 - Sethorein ONLINE (08/18/2015) [-]
If you genuinely believe your government does literally nothing for you then we may as well stop talking to each other.

I don't agree with anarchism.
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User avatar #115 to #113 - sickindaheyad (08/18/2015) [-]
believe what you want to believe man, and no im not advocating anarchism thats beyond makeshift fedora tier
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User avatar #116 to #115 - Sethorein ONLINE (08/18/2015) [-]
but you believe government does not benefit society.
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User avatar #119 to #116 - sickindaheyad (08/18/2015) [-]
oh it benefits folks somewhat, but atleast where i live corruption and mismanagment bring out their true intentions. the worse isnt the fact they suck, the worst is you cant change **** because everyone is just a different coating of the same chocolate.
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User avatar #121 to #119 - Sethorein ONLINE (08/18/2015) [-]
Vote for the Green Party ^_^
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#92 - hundredsofcats (08/18/2015) [-]
Oh, sure. It always starts like that. Then they'll make vaccination obligatory everywhere.... And then they'll do whatever they want with vaccines. And you will not be able to protest against it... You wanted obligatory vaccines, didn't you?

I am not against the notion of vaccination, but I am strongly against obligatory vaccines. It's barbarism and it disregards one of the basic liberties - the right to own your own body. If you can't make decisions about your own body, then you're nothing more than a slave.

God bless you.
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User avatar #97 to #92 - jomgor (08/18/2015) [-]
So much Bait
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#104 to #92 - anon (08/18/2015) [-]
If he really did endorse that, I just lost all respect I had for Ron Paul. While maybe there's a legitimate medical reason why some people can't vaccinate and whatnot due to allergies, herd immunity still requires those who aren't allergic to have the vaccines in the first place.
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User avatar #114 to #92 - jewishcommunazi (08/18/2015) [-]
"But it's wrong if I don't consent!"
People who do choose to get vaccinated can still contract the disease by someone who got it due to not being vaccinated, therefore getting the disease without "consent". Is it better to be forced to be healthy or be forced to be sick?
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#282 - cazabrow (08/19/2015) [-]
>Australia mentioned
>Swells with Venom
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User avatar #288 to #282 - harbingerwolf (08/19/2015) [-]
>mentions venom
>posts pic of venomless scrub python

Git gud son
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User avatar #46 - thedoomdonkey (08/18/2015) [-]
Unfortunately, its just a state, not the entire country. Also its a small victory in the immense ******* that the Liberals are putting the country through.
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User avatar #50 to #49 - thedoomdonkey (08/18/2015) [-]
I didnt say they were responsible for any anti-vac campaign. Especially considering the liberals did push this through.
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User avatar #52 to #51 - thedoomdonkey (08/18/2015) [-]
no, its more that I hate how the Australian dollar being extremely low, not allowing a public vote on equal marriage, the selling out of Great Barrier reef and Aboriginal heritage sites, the cuts to university and education funding, the stopping of rolling out the NBN.
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#192 to #52 - midkupficker (08/19/2015) [-]
Why would you allow a public vote on marriage equality if discrimination based on sexual preference is already outlawed... What would that accomplish?
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User avatar #307 to #192 - thedoomdonkey (08/19/2015) [-]
but it isn't outlawed in Australia?
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User avatar #54 to #52 - derpthefifth (08/18/2015) [-]
Oh i'm stupid.
I have made a tragic mistake.
Did not see "Austria"
I apologies as i know jack **** about Austrian politics, i'm going to go sit in the shame corner now.
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#118 to #54 - anon (08/18/2015) [-]
No, he said Australia.
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User avatar #120 to #118 - derpthefifth (08/18/2015) [-]
oh for **** sakes... i can't win today, can i.
x.x
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User avatar #193 to #46 - nibblebrsingr (08/19/2015) [-]
Are you implying that both of our main aren't total **** ?

Don't be silly
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