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#2 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
i used to be anti-gun because here in europe we had no need for weapons
since we had no immigration problems and our borders were under control the police and the military were the only ones that could carry weapons
as a result most incidents are just pathetic wiggers and ******* with knives
everything was well
until politicallycorrectfaggotopia AKA germany imported half of syria into europe
syria
a country infested with terrorists and extremists...
now we have terrorists with AK-47 shooting us, raping our women and brainwashing our people and the EU's retarded governaments to join/support their cause

i wish we had the abundance of guns america has right now
and trump instead of merkel
i also wish our people had the balls to stand for their country and their future generations
they are being taught to hate themselves for being white, their countries culture and to love merkel's favorite ice creams: arab and ****** flavour
User avatar #191 to #2 - fiveblackmen (01/12/2016) [-]
I can understand your change of heart on gun control and your desire for different governmental leaders but you really don't want Trump. He says things for attention and not because he will actually do anything about it. He largely only appeals to the lowest common denominator because they are the only ones that are stupid enough to fall for the **** spewing from his mouth. I'm not saying this to try and sway you to the left or as a bash on the right. I am saying this because Trump would make a terrible president and almost any candidate on either side of this election would be better than him.
User avatar #164 to #2 - paddypancake (01/11/2016) [-]
I dunno even if we have more migrants more guns means more guns for both sides. The guns are already in circulation in the US and will stay there so its better for the good guys to be able to get them but i have doubts about europe profiting from guns being more accecible, it always goes both ways. Could easily escalate the situation a bit more than comfortable.
Don't want to judge the immigrants personally here but no matter how you judge them i think more guns means more problems in europe. Not in the US though.
User avatar #116 to #2 - PlagueDoctor (01/11/2016) [-]
Money talks, bs walks. That's why they're importing these ******* cavemen into Europe. ******* cheap labour-force for y'all.
******* dammit, I'm moving to the country of hockey and maple syrup.
#132 to #116 - heyyoutoo (01/11/2016) [-]
Cheap labor for what? Where will you use such huge numbers of uneducated and unqualified people?
User avatar #207 to #132 - PlagueDoctor (01/12/2016) [-]
trash collection, cleaning, logistics plants,..
User avatar #203 to #132 - djmaryhikineet (01/12/2016) [-]
And most probably wont do work b/c they're so use to not working as they lived of there parents money, Germany is basically importing neets into the country. no matter how nice it is for them to do that, they literally are ******* themselves as the people cant do **** . why don't they ******* limit peoples entry if they are about to do work with a few exceptions for the sake of being nice
User avatar #144 to #132 - Shiny ONLINE (01/11/2016) [-]
Native people have much higher standards of living and won't work for chump change. If the foreigners were vetted and integrated, they'd be demanding the same conditions. A bunch of unskilled fighting-age males means business can make ********* off of their manual labor.

It all boils down to money.
#149 to #144 - heyyoutoo (01/11/2016) [-]
Depends. If someone is in corner, he will work for that change, also, i am willing to bet that there are labor laws.
User avatar #156 to #149 - Shiny ONLINE (01/11/2016) [-]
It's the problem of the hedonic treadmill. They're so used to living in ********* that what we'd consider ****** in our own nation seems peaceful and pleasant to them. We have the same problem in the US with Hispanic illegals. Labor laws don't matter when the people involved aren't full citizens.

The cultural conflicts aren't an externality, they're expected. It's what keeps the labor force separate.
#158 to #156 - heyyoutoo (01/11/2016) [-]
So you can freely employ Hispanics in companies?

Actually, my main gripe has always been that economic migrants get inside Eurozone together with refugees(or other way around since economical migrants are more numerous) and get the same benefits as refugees.
User avatar #162 to #158 - Shiny ONLINE (01/11/2016) [-]
Not legally, but it still happens, and it's often considered economic suicide to stop it. The "too big to fail" effect.

That's also a fair complaint, but the economic migrants are ****** if none of them want to do any work because the short term relief is **** for anyone who doesn't really need it.
#168 to #162 - heyyoutoo (01/11/2016) [-]
Germany had cheap labor force from other European countries, you know, the newly joined ones? From what i understood, they didn't need unqualified workforce that doesn't understand the language because most of people that left my country to work abroad went to England.
User avatar #170 to #168 - Shiny ONLINE (01/11/2016) [-]
European countries aren't even remotely as low as the Middle East has sunk. Even Muslim-dominant Western places think it's barbaric.
#173 to #170 - heyyoutoo (01/11/2016) [-]
Ok, explain me one thing, how is Germany going to create 200k or w/e work places for people that most likely can't even understand german and that have very bad education?
User avatar #182 to #173 - Shiny ONLINE (01/11/2016) [-]
Giving simple directions doesn't require a nuanced understanding of language or culture. Plus, they'll form their own businesses in their own communities, doing trade and putting money in the local economy, which the government wants. Money talks louder than any atrocity.
#188 to #182 - heyyoutoo (01/11/2016) [-]
Idk why but that sounds really stupid. Creating businesses in their own communities? Where will those businesses get clients if people don't have jobs? To generate money, you have to add value to product, how will uneducated masses do that?
User avatar #196 to #188 - Shiny ONLINE (01/12/2016) [-]
Uneducated doesn't mean literally retarded, they're still familiar with basic concepts of human society. Money will get traded around by more people over time, thus ensuring growth of capital.
#137 to #132 - lean ONLINE (01/11/2016) [-]
Soon Germany shall create massive fair labor facilities where the uneducated and unqualified will be able to express their newfound freedom! These areas shall be the new pinnacle of manufacturing and industry in the world, and the workers will have the freedom to work overtime and live in communals with the whole family "just like home".
#174 to #137 - dannyredwizard (01/11/2016) [-]
I know you're joking but I'm hoping this happens. I know it won't though, Germany won't risk demonizing themselves again.
#41 to #2 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
GIF
**anonymous used "*roll picture*"**
**anonymous rolled image** tfw the EU are actually straight on helping all extremist muslim groups to do what they are born to do. To kill anybody who does not agree to a religious character. I wonder why left parties are not being shut down and their members not arrested for assisting acts of murder and other crimes. I don't want to live in Sweden anymore as it has become a rape carnival now that we have a massive idiot for president. And also the left party are directly helping ISIS to spread terror here as they offer "scarred returning isis members who "regret" beheading men, women and children for fun " a home and a job. No idea why nobody has talked about that since that sounds pretty ******* serious to me. I don't even take any offense for any "Sweden Yes" jokes because they are all true.
#47 to #41 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
okay mexico 2.0
#40 to #2 - exima (01/11/2016) [-]
Yeah, I live in germany, and every single immigrant I've seen and talked to was absolutely awesome.
And I live in Munich. The city where like 80% of Immigrants go to.
Our central train station was filled for like 4 days. And then everything went normal again.
There are 80 000 000 Germans, and 200 000 Immigrants.
Thats 0.25%
thats a Ratio of 1 Immigrant to 400 native People.
And wtf do you think happens when someone finally gets to germany? You think they come here and be like "Hm... Now that I'm here in germany and out of syria... Yeah, let's attack some people just for the **** of it! Didn't want to stay here anyways!"

- Crime Rate hasn't increased, infact, it continues to DEcrease
- Unemployment continues to decrease from 7% to 6% (2014 to 2016)
- The employees that do the **** jobs like carrying trash that we desperately needed are finally there.
- You still need to pay like 40k to get a ******* Gun. And if you've got 40k, you have a job and have no reason to be a criminal.
- in 2015 the "death by shooting" was 2 dead People per 1 Million Inhabitants.
=> In America that number is 29.8

So wtf exactly is your point?
I thought we went over the whole "This minority is different, so we should shoot and/or gas them"
User avatar #152 to #40 - Shiny ONLINE (01/11/2016) [-]
The people being let in without question aren't just a danger to native people, they're a danger to immigrants that respect local customs and want to integrate. It's not us vs. them, it's purely opportunism. Open borders is more appealing to people who want to commit crimes than the rest of the herd.

Of course, there are quite a few retards online screaming "race war" but they aren't any different.
User avatar #104 to #40 - bottlemonster (01/11/2016) [-]
Why Spede Pasanen
User avatar #82 to #40 - nanahara (01/11/2016) [-]
whoa whoa! easy there! you're gonna get all logical and **** up in here? bringing hard facts to show how minor the the problem is compared to the media coverage? how dare you?!
i think you're forgetting that FJ has become the rectum of /pol/. after moot left they all went looking for a new place to store their **** , and FJ was the "lucky" winner

the thing that is really hard to get for some people on fj, apparently, is that no one thinks what happened in köln was okay. They should be punished, no one is denying that. The whole point is, other peaceful respectful immigrant shouldn't have to suffer for it, they shouldn't have to be beaten up in the streets, cause some assholes touched an ass on new years.

yesterday in Norway there was a teacher (ethnic norwegian) caught having taken sexual advantage of over 250 underaged kids. he single-handedly pulled a köln, if not worse. no one is dragging him out in the streets to beat his **** .
#113 to #82 - theinternetwizard (01/11/2016) [-]
Those cases are not comparable.
There weren't a culture supporting the teachers pedophilia.
People are not reacting to a single persons actions. but a massive organized event that were solely for the purpose of crime.
People are reacting to a massive shift in the culture that leads the europe down the path to what the middle-east is now.

Oh btw: "buhu, peepl who ar aginst moslms are /pol (hurr hurr thtl shew dem)"
Why don't you **** off back to your hugbox in SV.
User avatar #123 to #113 - nanahara (01/11/2016) [-]
There is no culture supporting what happened in Köln either. it was done by a group of people representing less than 0.5% of Germany's new immigrant population.

if you genuinely think all (or most) muslim immigrants sit at home plotting how they're gonna rape, or disgrace as many western women as possible, as soon as they cross the border, you are insane. it is ludicrous.

if I equate what you are saying about muslims, to norwegians. i would be as if i rounded up a couple of pedophilia cases, and said all norwegians support rape of children. they are indoctrinated to rape children and that is all they know.
Clearly you can understand how ******* retarded this sounds, right? so why does it make sense to you when you change norwegian with muslim?

just because everyone around you are chanting and repeating a lie often enough, doesnt make it true.
#136 to #123 - heyyoutoo (01/11/2016) [-]
Why use pedophilia as an example when the Muslim prophet had sex with 9 year old? It seems like a bad analogy.
User avatar #141 to #136 - nanahara (01/11/2016) [-]
my whole point being, dont judge (a huge group) of people based on the actions of a few. you can change pedophelia with rape and norwegian with western european. as im sure you know western europeans rape too. Rape is not some phenomenon introduced by muslims onto the world, as some would like you to believe. still you dont go around associating western europeans with rape. so why cant a muslim be judged and punished individually the same way?

or do you just have an tangible need to bring out your expertise on islamic history?
you do know child brides were common in western europe too right? so i feel the pedophilia is equally fitting to arabs, western europeans, israelis and east asians
#148 to #141 - heyyoutoo (01/11/2016) [-]
"you do know child brides were common in western europe too right?" You used the correct word - "were". "so why cant a muslim be judged and punished individually the same way?" - because people are too politically correct and they won't be punished because those people will be afraid to be labeled racist or smth else.
"Rape is not some phenomenon introduced by muslims onto the world, as some would like you to believe" - never said that, can i now start insulting you too?
#77 to #40 - evulchibi (01/11/2016) [-]
Give me source for those statistics fagget
User avatar #72 to #40 - huszti (01/11/2016) [-]
there were 470,000 asylum requests made in germany in 2015.
the actual number of immigrants is unknown; 1.1 million were added into a database for asylum seekers.
actually, crime rate rose by 2% in 2014; numbers for 2015 wont be published until april/may.
i dont know where you get that "40k to get a gun" from but i highly doubt it. a permit to buy guns is just 80€, registering a gun is an additional 20€. im not even commenting on the latter part of the gun argument because that was very meh.
#43 to #40 - theinternetwizard (01/11/2016) [-]
Tell that to the women in cologne that was violated by a group of 1000 refugees in new years eve
User avatar #130 to #43 - enlightednatzie ONLINE (01/11/2016) [-]
*köln
#45 to #43 - exima (01/11/2016) [-]
Yeah, you mean the refugees where most of them already were long under the eye of the police and were in germany for a bunch of years already?

These refugees that actually aren't refugees since they were in germany for a couple of years already?

Yeah. Bad Refugees right?
#101 to #45 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
#75 to #45 - vigilantej (01/11/2016) [-]
i dont know what ******** your spewing but they where not "in Germany for years" the German national accused of rape was but the others a bunch of Syrian dudes and an american where new to the country
#50 to #45 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
So your logic is that them being under police observation for years and not being deported is somehow better than if they just came over last week?

I feel bad for all the sane germans who have to life with you self hating idiots.
#53 to #50 - exima (01/11/2016) [-]
No, my logic is: If you're living in germany for a couple of years already, you live in germany for a couple of years already.
Thats why you've got an identification card, that indicates, that you've been living in germany for a couple of years already.

Think about that logic. I'm sure you can understand it after a couple of hours.
#49 to #45 - theinternetwizard (01/11/2016) [-]
Several of the ones arrested self-identified as syrian refugees
And even if they had been in the country for years they are still representative of refuges.

And what kind of stupid argument is it to point out that most of them were already under the auspice of the police?
You do realize that it only supports what i am saying.
By making that claim you are undermining your own argument above.
Did you actually think through what you wrote?
#51 to #49 - exima (01/11/2016) [-]
If you just came into this country, how the **** are you supposed to be under auspice already??
You know how slow the german buerokratic system is?

And Why the **** would these few people be representative of refugees all around germany? Who states who's representative and who's not?
Why aren't the hundreds of refugees that a colleague of mine takes care of as her second job representative of the whole lot?
They never did anything violent, get good grades in school and try to learn german as fast as they can.

But nooo let's just burn all of them. Hitler would be so proud. -_-
#66 to #51 - theinternetwizard (01/11/2016) [-]
I might have used the word auspice wrong, looking it up it seems to mean something else then i thought. I thought it meant something like suspect/suspected.

anyways, that was a response to what you said, and i quote:
"you mean the refugees where most of them already were long under the eye of the police"
Thats why i ment that your comment basically supported my claim.

Few?
A thousand of them organized themselves and did this, and it happened at the same time in other parts of europe.
The fact that this could happen in europe marks a significant shift in the security image we have been dangling over the Americans.
How blatantly ******* obvious does it have to be?
Do they have to walk around the city shooting people?

And tell your coworker i said hi when she gets raped.

Hitler?
I thought you subjugated pussies were put in jail by mama Merkel for even mentioning his name.
#70 to #66 - exima (01/11/2016) [-]
No, the fact that its reported makes a significant shift.
But only on the reporters side.

And even if all refugees were Steel Beam melting demons, so ******* what? They're still only 0.25% of the german population. Even less in other countries since they close their borders.
Also we germans don't make alot of children, we're decreasing. Getting people into the country is a good thing, because currently we're searching for people who pick up our garbage and manage the ***** we take. Jobs that noone wants to do here, because everyone's got a bachelor or master at something.

and "thousands organized to grab onto one female" is ******** . That didn't happen.
It was a normal assault, that happens every day on every country on earth, they got caught, they get sued, everythings normal again.

The only thing thats not normal, is the media coverage, because 12 year old wannabe nazis click on everything that has "Refugees rape **** " in the title, and Youtube VLoggers can run their mouths wild.
Organized Crime is something for the Italians.
#109 to #70 - theinternetwizard (01/11/2016) [-]
It doesn't matter how many percentages were in on it.
What matters is that there are enough of them here that they feel they have a right to do this.
This is where it begins. This is were democracy starts to go in reverse. It is now liberty starts to rot away. First with the demands that we control our speech so not to insult the muslims. And then we can't say anything negative about them. Then women has to cover up themselves.
Who do you think is going to be doing the **** jobs in thirty years?
It aint gonna be the muslims, cause they tend to use whoever they have subjugated for those jobs. You are setting yourself up for ethnic and cultural genocide.

And ""thousands organized to grab onto one female" is ******** . That didn't happen. " i didn't say that. i said women, as in plural, as in several women.
As in women and men have reported 379 attacks to the police following that new years eve.
www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/10/bbc-cologne-attacks-new-years-eve-crime-cases-top-500/
User avatar #115 to #109 - welliguessitsaname (01/11/2016) [-]
"First with the demands that we control our speech so not to insult the muslims. And then we can't say anything negative about them. Then women has to cover up themselves."

Um. Do you realize how many Muslims will be in Germany in the next few years? Not enough for Muslim law to be implemented, not for a very long time unless we see some drastic changes. Even if you did see that, who would implement and enforce those laws? I don't know much about German law, but I imagine that'd be the government. And I imagine that government, in a majorly white country, is majorly white. Not Syrians. You couldn't blame brown people for a decision made by a bunch of white people.

inbox CUCK
#134 to #115 - heyyoutoo (01/11/2016) [-]
Too many people already think that being tolerant means that you can't criticize people at all. Those people have votes.
#59 to #51 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
Merkel is that you?
#33 to #2 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
Just make your own weapons.. thats what i did. You can make a lot of nice things with household objects. And when the **** goes down (what it will for sure) there will be hellfire.
#171 to #33 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
Molotov for home defense? Lol, that couldn't possibly go wrong in any way.
#20 to #2 - kingderps (01/11/2016) [-]
My advice to any European, be like the paranoid gun nuts of America. Build secret bunkers, stockpile supplies. Do it in defense. It's not a matter of if, but a matter of when, your societies will erupt in chaos. Have an insurance policy for your loved ones and your lineage. The elephant in the room is that action is needed in Europe to protect their ancient cultures and ways of life. I don't know what the solution is, but you people need to get angry.
User avatar #150 to #20 - guillem (01/11/2016) [-]
You reeeally should leave the Internet and go outside, things aren't nearly 1/10th as bad or apocalyptical as they are said to be in this website. Just because we've let a couple hundreds of thousands, or even a million or two, of refugees/migrants into Europe, a country with around 700 million people doesn't mean our societies will "erupt in chaos". Jesus, man, just no.

Some of them will be assholes, true, but it is also true they will be promptly kicked out of here, and the rest will probably assimilate within a generation or two, retaining elements of their cultures but ending up integrated. This migrant wave isn't really the threat you portrait them to be and in fact could do good to this continent if handled properly.
#208 to #150 - kingderps (01/12/2016) [-]
The Muslims have been under estimated from their inception and if you knew their history, you would think differently. Don't under estimate what an ideology can do. I don't look down on all Muslims, I don't look at the issue so one dimensional. There is both good and bad about them and we need to be sober about what is happening.
User avatar #15 to #2 - dofyx (01/11/2016) [-]
sorry to hear about that buddy, hope you get a gun soon if you decide to do so, protect your loved ones
#5 to #2 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
spoken like a true freedom fighter,my country in canada is going through the same fate.
User avatar #118 to #5 - bme (01/11/2016) [-]
No we aren't you ******* knob
#4 to #2 - baconfattie (01/11/2016) [-]
I was the same as you. Totally opossed to guns. But now things are getting out of hand, and you cannot defend yourself, the government is not helping you, and often times people cannot run away.

When all these things happen, every citizen should be allowed to have a weapon to protect him/herself and those around him/her.
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