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chrysaor (19 hours ago) [-] Personally, I think people who think their guns are going to help them that much in self-defense are missing some fairly crucial facts.
1. If you're storing a gun in your house properly, then there's no way you'd be able to get to it in time to protect yourself. Guns should be stored unloaded and in a locked safe where children can't get to them by accident. What, you think the robber is gonna be kind enough to let you go and grab it? Besides, most break ins happen in the day, when people are at work or school anyway
2. Funnily enough, GUNS ARE DANGEROUS TOOLS. Unless you're actually trained properly in their use and practice consistently, you're going to miss your target. A lot. Even trained professionals miss a lot of the time during actual firefights. And when you're inside your house or in a crowded public place, that missed shot doesn't just go away, it hits something else. Sometimes you'll get lucky and nobody gets hurt. Sometimes you'll end up shooting your wife or child or some random passerby instead.
Frankly, if your actual concern is about your home being broken into, buy a security system. If you're worried about public shootings, well frankly you'd just be adding more random bullets flying around getting people killed.
Now if your reasons for wanting a gun is either "hunting" or "just to shoot it, because it's fun/for marksman competitions", that's totally fine. But you should be prepared to sign out a bunch of paperwork and/or get a background check to make sure that's what you're using it for. Because honestly that's what most proponents of gun control want. They don't want to take away our guns, they just want to make sure any random ****** can't grab one off the shelf like it's a pack of gum.
1. If you're storing a gun in your house properly, then there's no way you'd be able to get to it in time to protect yourself. Guns should be stored unloaded and in a locked safe where children can't get to them by accident. What, you think the robber is gonna be kind enough to let you go and grab it? Besides, most break ins happen in the day, when people are at work or school anyway
2. Funnily enough, GUNS ARE DANGEROUS TOOLS. Unless you're actually trained properly in their use and practice consistently, you're going to miss your target. A lot. Even trained professionals miss a lot of the time during actual firefights. And when you're inside your house or in a crowded public place, that missed shot doesn't just go away, it hits something else. Sometimes you'll get lucky and nobody gets hurt. Sometimes you'll end up shooting your wife or child or some random passerby instead.
Frankly, if your actual concern is about your home being broken into, buy a security system. If you're worried about public shootings, well frankly you'd just be adding more random bullets flying around getting people killed.
Now if your reasons for wanting a gun is either "hunting" or "just to shoot it, because it's fun/for marksman competitions", that's totally fine. But you should be prepared to sign out a bunch of paperwork and/or get a background check to make sure that's what you're using it for. Because honestly that's what most proponents of gun control want. They don't want to take away our guns, they just want to make sure any random ****** can't grab one off the shelf like it's a pack of gum.
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mdizzlethreeonefiv [OP](14 hours ago) [-] Just FYI
I, OP, am the hardcore conservative in the post. I HAVE been trained, I DO practice consistently, and I keep my loaded gun right on my bed in a safe when I'm sleeping or on my hip when I'm just around my house. Just HAVING the gun, and it being visible, is such a powerful tool in and of itself. I sincerely hope that all I have to do is point my gun at someone and then they piss off, because I don't know the circumstances that they live in. If I'm in a convenience store and a guy with a mask comes in waving a gun around, I don't know if he was coerced into doing this, I don't know if he is just trying to feed his family, I just don't have enough information. BUT, if he points that gun at some 9 year old kid or something, I will not hesitate to put as many hollow points as it takes into him. I have prepared myself as much as I can for that moment and to be honest nothing is going to prepare me for the gravity of taking another man's life. I carry hollow points to reduce overpenetration, I aim center mass to both kill and reduce my chances of missing, I won't be shooting at a target further than 50 feet from me because that's the longest most of my training has been at. There is so much literature on the subject, and I hero worship Massad Ayoob.
I, OP, am the hardcore conservative in the post. I HAVE been trained, I DO practice consistently, and I keep my loaded gun right on my bed in a safe when I'm sleeping or on my hip when I'm just around my house. Just HAVING the gun, and it being visible, is such a powerful tool in and of itself. I sincerely hope that all I have to do is point my gun at someone and then they piss off, because I don't know the circumstances that they live in. If I'm in a convenience store and a guy with a mask comes in waving a gun around, I don't know if he was coerced into doing this, I don't know if he is just trying to feed his family, I just don't have enough information. BUT, if he points that gun at some 9 year old kid or something, I will not hesitate to put as many hollow points as it takes into him. I have prepared myself as much as I can for that moment and to be honest nothing is going to prepare me for the gravity of taking another man's life. I carry hollow points to reduce overpenetration, I aim center mass to both kill and reduce my chances of missing, I won't be shooting at a target further than 50 feet from me because that's the longest most of my training has been at. There is so much literature on the subject, and I hero worship Massad Ayoob.
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anon (14 hours ago) [-]
Eh my biggest problem is the removal of said weapons is hard and would result in radicals firing at officials unnecessarily. My family all put together own around 31 unregistered firearms collectively and I know some of those would be stupid enough to fight over them.
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thejusticar (14 hours ago) [-] 1:loaded kept out of reach of children and teach them gun safety so they understand its a dangerous weapon and not a toy.
2:Lots of stuff is dangerous, most people aren't gonna fire blindly at crap like a ******* crazy ass ***** , which in term would lower the chance of randomly hitting your wife your child, another thing is that they are probably in a room with the other parent if someone has broken in, while the man of the house will get strapped and go find the cunt thats breaking in.
3: "oh no that man is killing innocent people, might as well just run away and let him keep going instead of firing back at him", someone isn't gonna fire like a maniac in a crowded mall if theres a bunch of innocent people, trained people who handle firearms more often will wait until a shot is clear then they will take it.
I do understand your thing about trying to keep them out of bad peoples hands but some of your "facts" aren't gonna help too much. there are still millions of guns around america right now and me having a pistol for home defense isn't going to harm anyone else. except many any dick waffles that try to break in to my house.
2:Lots of stuff is dangerous, most people aren't gonna fire blindly at crap like a ******* crazy ass ***** , which in term would lower the chance of randomly hitting your wife your child, another thing is that they are probably in a room with the other parent if someone has broken in, while the man of the house will get strapped and go find the cunt thats breaking in.
3: "oh no that man is killing innocent people, might as well just run away and let him keep going instead of firing back at him", someone isn't gonna fire like a maniac in a crowded mall if theres a bunch of innocent people, trained people who handle firearms more often will wait until a shot is clear then they will take it.
I do understand your thing about trying to keep them out of bad peoples hands but some of your "facts" aren't gonna help too much. there are still millions of guns around america right now and me having a pistol for home defense isn't going to harm anyone else. except many any dick waffles that try to break in to my house.
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hatsune (15 hours ago) [-] home invasions, when the home owners are at home, are much lower in the US than in other nations, because we have guns.
children can be educated about guns, and the safety issues are minimal.
accidental gun deaths by children are very low, and a lot of people don't have children anyway.
_ Sometimes you'll end up shooting your wife or child or some random passerby instead._
this literally never happens.
most defensive gun uses don't even involve shooting.
presenting a firearm will deescalate most situations
you don't have to be trained.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_gun_use
children can be educated about guns, and the safety issues are minimal.
accidental gun deaths by children are very low, and a lot of people don't have children anyway.
_ Sometimes you'll end up shooting your wife or child or some random passerby instead._
this literally never happens.
most defensive gun uses don't even involve shooting.
presenting a firearm will deescalate most situations
you don't have to be trained.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_gun_use
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traceirving (14 hours ago) [-] kron4.com/2015/10/28/gun-fired-accidentally-goes-through-wall-injures-victim/
That literally took 5 seconds to find on google, and I was looking for a specific story. I found ********* more anyway.
Unless you're using the tumblr version of the word 'literally', you're wrong.
That literally took 5 seconds to find on google, and I was looking for a specific story. I found ********* more anyway.
Unless you're using the tumblr version of the word 'literally', you're wrong.
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thefallenlord (17 hours ago) [-] 1.) Don't have wife / gf, don't have kids, nor do I plan to have any. I would still like to defend my life thank you very much.
2.) Cars are dangerous and knifes are dangerous as well. You can crack open your skull in a shower. There are million and one ways of killing or hurting yourself in the safety of your own home even without a gun. Also I would like to think that we (and by "we" I mean people eligible for purchase of firearms) are all responsible adults that can make decisions for ourselves, accepting risks, responsibilities and consequences on the individual basis.
I kinda agree with your point on shooting in public spaces tho.
2.) Cars are dangerous and knifes are dangerous as well. You can crack open your skull in a shower. There are million and one ways of killing or hurting yourself in the safety of your own home even without a gun. Also I would like to think that we (and by "we" I mean people eligible for purchase of firearms) are all responsible adults that can make decisions for ourselves, accepting risks, responsibilities and consequences on the individual basis.
I kinda agree with your point on shooting in public spaces tho.
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vladhellsing ONLINE (18 hours ago) [-] 
Please enjoy this safe & sensible drill for defending your home against intruders with a firearm.
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chrysaor (18 hours ago) [-] Thank you, that's very informative.
Although to clarify my point a little, that video is full of things which most people would not know or think of. Honestly, a lot of people are really dumb.
I'm not saying it's impossible to use a gun to defend your home from invasion. It's simply that, in order to do so properly and safely, you must be trained and be very well practiced, and most people simply won't be. I am uncertain on the feasibility of this, but perhaps one of the requirements for being allowed to purchase a gun would be completion of a course which teaches gun safety, practical use of firearms (including defending a home), as well as qualify as a marksman at a bare minimum. perhaps also require them to qualify every year to ensure their skills remain sharp . Hell, we have stupid overkill training for something as comparatively simple as driving, it's not too much to ask that gun owners need to pass a basic competency test.
Although to clarify my point a little, that video is full of things which most people would not know or think of. Honestly, a lot of people are really dumb.
I'm not saying it's impossible to use a gun to defend your home from invasion. It's simply that, in order to do so properly and safely, you must be trained and be very well practiced, and most people simply won't be. I am uncertain on the feasibility of this, but perhaps one of the requirements for being allowed to purchase a gun would be completion of a course which teaches gun safety, practical use of firearms (including defending a home), as well as qualify as a marksman at a bare minimum. perhaps also require them to qualify every year to ensure their skills remain sharp . Hell, we have stupid overkill training for something as comparatively simple as driving, it's not too much to ask that gun owners need to pass a basic competency test.
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ishallsmiteyou (17 hours ago) [-] I'll guarantee you that at least the majority of firearms owners are properly trained in their use for personal defense.
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vladhellsing ONLINE (18 hours ago) [-] I totally agree. Guns are like cars; they are practical although dangerous pieces of equipment that require a trained, licensed professional in order to operate. Unfortunately gun regulations in America (not on the guns themselves but rather the requirements to own them) are so lax that they often fall into the wrong hands - fuelled even more by American gun culture (and American culture in general). And I'm not even talking about illegal gun ownership here.
The way I see it, it's a cultural problem over there, not a problem with guns themselves. Americans see gun ownership as a "right", whereas in Slovenia (where Polenar Tactical, the guys who made that video, live) they see gun ownership as a "privilege". And you can own all kinds of guns there provided you have the right reason, anything from a handgun to a 30 round assault rifle. America needs to understand that just because you have a right doesn't mean you have a duty to own guns and that mentality must carry over to gun legislation.
The way I see it, it's a cultural problem over there, not a problem with guns themselves. Americans see gun ownership as a "right", whereas in Slovenia (where Polenar Tactical, the guys who made that video, live) they see gun ownership as a "privilege". And you can own all kinds of guns there provided you have the right reason, anything from a handgun to a 30 round assault rifle. America needs to understand that just because you have a right doesn't mean you have a duty to own guns and that mentality must carry over to gun legislation.
