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rivenworlder (01/13/2016) [-] I spent a semester at a prestigious art school a few years ago. I remember browsing the end of semester sculptures that one class had made out of modeling clay, and in between a beautiful sculpture of an octopus, and the rough but easily identifiable bust of an Ork Slugga Boy (yes, really), was none other than a pile of dicks. Nothing else. Just a platter of clay dicks. Not even well made ones. Just a pile of play-doh looking dicks.
After that I moved to a local community college with an animation program and got a more useful education at a quarter the price.
After that I moved to a local community college with an animation program and got a more useful education at a quarter the price.
It is art. And you could.
That doesn't mean it's any good. Calling something art doesn't necessarily suggest it is good art, just that it is created with some kind of expressive vision.
Does that mean it's good? No. It could still be **** . But saying it's not art just seems like a way to dodge the conversation of it's value entirely. Like, I dunno, maybe you don't know how to say whether it's good or not, and instead would just label it as not the thing so you don't have to put the effort in saying why it's bad.
That's always been how it seems to me.
That doesn't mean it's any good. Calling something art doesn't necessarily suggest it is good art, just that it is created with some kind of expressive vision.
Does that mean it's good? No. It could still be **** . But saying it's not art just seems like a way to dodge the conversation of it's value entirely. Like, I dunno, maybe you don't know how to say whether it's good or not, and instead would just label it as not the thing so you don't have to put the effort in saying why it's bad.
That's always been how it seems to me.
Artists.
Went to a show with my dad once.
When we saw that everyone there had a drink in their hand we vowed to never come again.
Went to a show with my dad once.
When we saw that everyone there had a drink in their hand we vowed to never come again.
Hell, I love a drink myself, but if you need to get pissed to understand the meaning behind their "art" then I'd rather stay an art-less heathen.
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daveprodigy (01/12/2016) [-]
A wise man once said "asking if it's art is the wrong question, ask instead "is it interesting?""
It has no meaning anyone would care about, it doesn't look good, and it clearly required no skill to make.
It has a deep meaning to me: I think it represents how we will bend over backwards to accomplish what we want, and what we want is just instant gratfification. We'd rather break our backs trying to suck our own dick than spend time cultivating a relationship OR even just ponying up 50$ to get our dick sucked. There is probably much more other people see in it, but that is what I saw in 2 seconds. I'm sure if I stared at it more something else might jump out at me.
I think it looks good. It's not meant to represent reality. It even shows us how quickly the artist just wanted to get the piece done and would rather have the instant gratification of "ooh, wow - edgy sculpture" than invest time and energy into something else. Wow - double-edged sword we got going already!
And lastly - art has literally nothing to do with skill. Everyone can be their own judge of what is "good" and what is "bad". But "how long I think it took to make" or "how much skill I think one might need to complete this" or "how much better or worse it is than I theoretically could have done" are not metrics for "good or bad art". It's a personal choice.
Art is in the eye of the beholder. Sure, some artists probably don't put in a lot of thought or energy and just crank out some ******** . And yeah, sometimes that ******** can even be really nice! If you practice doing cartoons a whole bunch, at some point it becomes more of muscle memory and less of artistic genius. So we applaud their dedication rather than their artistic talent, although one needs artistic talent to begin with and of course it is honed through practice.
Honestly, the sculpture speaks more to me than the dragon. I can't see the whole dragon, and I know it probably took a while to make, but the notion of "oh, you took a tree and made it look like a dragon tail" doesn't bring any amazing ideas to mind at first glance. Sure, maybe stuff like "I wonder if our ancestors with poor eyesight could have thought a forest-fire couold have been a dragon" or something, or maybe if the light hits the lacquer just right it just looks really beautiful, but that's it.
I think it looks good. It's not meant to represent reality. It even shows us how quickly the artist just wanted to get the piece done and would rather have the instant gratification of "ooh, wow - edgy sculpture" than invest time and energy into something else. Wow - double-edged sword we got going already!
And lastly - art has literally nothing to do with skill. Everyone can be their own judge of what is "good" and what is "bad". But "how long I think it took to make" or "how much skill I think one might need to complete this" or "how much better or worse it is than I theoretically could have done" are not metrics for "good or bad art". It's a personal choice.
Art is in the eye of the beholder. Sure, some artists probably don't put in a lot of thought or energy and just crank out some ******** . And yeah, sometimes that ******** can even be really nice! If you practice doing cartoons a whole bunch, at some point it becomes more of muscle memory and less of artistic genius. So we applaud their dedication rather than their artistic talent, although one needs artistic talent to begin with and of course it is honed through practice.
Honestly, the sculpture speaks more to me than the dragon. I can't see the whole dragon, and I know it probably took a while to make, but the notion of "oh, you took a tree and made it look like a dragon tail" doesn't bring any amazing ideas to mind at first glance. Sure, maybe stuff like "I wonder if our ancestors with poor eyesight could have thought a forest-fire couold have been a dragon" or something, or maybe if the light hits the lacquer just right it just looks really beautiful, but that's it.
You sound like one of those twats that go to a wine tasting and completely ******** what you think the wine tastes like to sound important.
to each his own. To be honest, I like to keep my opinions to myself unless asked, but everyone here thinks art is **** because it doesn't pique their personal interest. They're only interested in what "looks like it took a lot of time and skill to make" rather than "what speaks to me, the viewer of art". If you're into painstaking oil paintings of still life and hyperrealistic drawings that basically are the same as photos, then kudos to you! You enjoy marvelling at the skill and dedication of the artist. I personally like to view art and think "what does this make me feel, if anything?" Sometimes it's utter ******** and sometimes it's wonder and amazement and sometimes self-reflection. It could be that I'm only actually staring at a blank wall. But the point is I decide what it means to me and I enjoy the feelings I get, and I don't get caught up in information like how long it took to make or how many different colours it has. Of course that information, presented in the "right" way, could be equally stimulating.
TLDR: to each his own
PS I personally think there are 3 types of wine: red wine, white wine, and wine past its expiration date. I know there's cooking cherry as well which doesn't taste too good, but hey, apparently there are so many different types and each batch is different, and if it's free or cheap, why not indulge?
TLDR: to each his own
PS I personally think there are 3 types of wine: red wine, white wine, and wine past its expiration date. I know there's cooking cherry as well which doesn't taste too good, but hey, apparently there are so many different types and each batch is different, and if it's free or cheap, why not indulge?
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anon (01/12/2016) [-]
I agree that most modern art is pretty ****** , especially if its interpretation depends solely on the artist's explanation of what it is, but i don't wholeheartedly agree that standards should be implemented. For me, art can be one of two things: either relatable or fun. When i look at a painting or a sculpture, i want to either feel something that i think the painting might be trying to transmit (let's say a dark (but hopefully not only black color spread out on the canvas) painting makes me feel gloomy, and its that gloom that the artist was going through during the point in life where he painted it, making me relate, because the artist can make me feel emotions through his work) or at least find something fun with it (for example, there's this fountain made by Miro that instead of water spews quicksilver, so its fun to watch it make its way down to the bottom to go back up again). Having said that however, if you give me a red dot on a white canvas and say that it represents the suffering of the native americans during the trail of tears, i'm going to groan and move on to something else. Just because you can make art that comes with a deeply personal significance only you can understand doesn't mean that you should expect the world to grovel at your feet. Its like when you made that mug out of clay in elementary school for mothers day. Sure, your mother will say "oh, what a good job you did", but that doesn't mean that everyone else will agree with her.
As a side note, there was this story that circled around about Salvador Dali that this video reminded me of, where Dali supposedly created a painting and presented it in front of the art critics of the day. He was showered with praise, to his delight, for he then produced a video in which he showed them how he had made the painting. It included ******** , pissing, masturbating, and other fun things of the sort. The art critics were appalled modern art critics probably would have praised him for it and Dali got the last laugh.
As a side note, there was this story that circled around about Salvador Dali that this video reminded me of, where Dali supposedly created a painting and presented it in front of the art critics of the day. He was showered with praise, to his delight, for he then produced a video in which he showed them how he had made the painting. It included ******** , pissing, masturbating, and other fun things of the sort. The art critics were appalled modern art critics probably would have praised him for it and Dali got the last laugh.
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afaik (01/12/2016) [-] Indeed. Judging by the thumbs, people thing that's an argument against what I said rather than me pointing out that there's no criteria for when something is or isn't art (thus impossible to answer the question I asked, which was the point I tried to get across).
Saw that video long ago, and it explains the situation pretty well.
Saw that video long ago, and it explains the situation pretty well.
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rayeightk (01/12/2016) [-]
Whoever made this most likely did it purely for the moolah, and probably made up an elaborate ********* on why he made it.
I mean come on, who in their right mind would stuff their own log into their food hole?
Now ask yourself who would be even more crazy to make a god damn sculpture of it?
Show me that whoever made this made it because they felt the need to express their feelings through a clay sculpture of a self sucking man and I will take back everything I said.
But until then, I stand by what I have said.
I mean come on, who in their right mind would stuff their own log into their food hole?
Now ask yourself who would be even more crazy to make a god damn sculpture of it?
Show me that whoever made this made it because they felt the need to express their feelings through a clay sculpture of a self sucking man and I will take back everything I said.
But until then, I stand by what I have said.
