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zomaru (11/17/2015) [-] In case any one doesent know. Any time they want you to have experience its not true. What they are looking for is someone who could demonstrate that they could solve a problem that someone who has been there 10 years might face. You just need to educate yourself with the position and the required experience to WOW them with what they think you know.
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ragealicious ONLINE (11/18/2015) [-]
That's not even true most of the time. A lot of times they're looking for much simpler concepts. 1) someone willing to push them selves 2) someone who wants to learn and advance 3) Someone who is good with logical processes and problem solving skills, etc
They're often looking for core skills on top of obviously) the required fields knowledge to an extent. Most places can teach you and move you up quickly, if you could solve a problem someone with 10 years experience had, i would want more pay as my skills are much more advanced for my age, level, etc.
That's just selling yourself short really
They're often looking for core skills on top of obviously) the required fields knowledge to an extent. Most places can teach you and move you up quickly, if you could solve a problem someone with 10 years experience had, i would want more pay as my skills are much more advanced for my age, level, etc.
That's just selling yourself short really
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Metallicock ONLINE (11/18/2015) [-] on the reverse, I've heard that a lot of the reason jobs take so long to hire is because they get congested with applicants that are under qualified who I guess you kind of mentality.
But hey, that their problem I guess. . .
But hey, that their problem I guess. . .
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snowboardingeng (11/18/2015) [-]
Maybe if there were more actual entry level positions that wouldn't happen. I couldn't find any entry level positions that didn't have an experience requirement. So since they all have one it must not matter or else it'd be impossible to enter the workforce. The only reason I got interviewed for my current job is that my professor knew the person hiring and contacted them. I never heard back from any of the "entry level" jobs I applied to.
That's why they get flooded with unqualified people, they're overusing experience requirements and making it so they're ignored.
That's why they get flooded with unqualified people, they're overusing experience requirements and making it so they're ignored.
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Metallicock ONLINE (11/18/2015) [-] Seriously, looking through "entry level" positions, and all of them want years of experience unless it's fast food or something (and even still, a lot of those even want experiance). I'm just sitting there like "what part of entry level do you not understand?"
I've been looking for a second job lately and it's rather depressing, even considering that I have a lot of manager experience. I've heard back from nowhere except one place, that like you said, I had a connection.
Networking's what it's all about I guess. . .
I've been looking for a second job lately and it's rather depressing, even considering that I have a lot of manager experience. I've heard back from nowhere except one place, that like you said, I had a connection.
Networking's what it's all about I guess. . .
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kinginthenorth (11/18/2015) [-] Most jobs here just mention "[insert necessary education for the job] or years of experience to make up for the lack of the education". Atleast, this is for the adverts i looked at in the IT sector, so i don't know how it works in other sectors.
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lenytunes (11/18/2015) [-] That's not true at all. I contracted at a company for 6 months, a position opened up and the entire team I worked with told me that I should apply because I'm a hard worker. I applied, interviewed and they hired somebody else because they had more experience on a piece of paper than I did (HR makes the decisions at the end of the day and it doesn't matter how well you know your specific department). The reason why they want experience and a degree is because a lot of these schools are giving away degrees to people who didn't earn them. Jobs that require little training to accomplish now ask for a Bachelors degree and at least two years experience on the field with 2-4 years experience with customer service. A person with more years of experience on a resume and a higher degree is more likely to get a job than a person who actually knows what they are doing.
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anon (11/18/2015) [-]
Yeah but if they have a choice between somebody with experience and somebody without it, they're ALWAYS pick the guy with more experience...unless said person happens to be overqualified, in which case they'll sometimes take the guy with no experience because they can get away with paying him less than the more experienced applicant.
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adrilazzaro (11/18/2015) [-] i dont know if it's my ****** english but i can't really tell what you're trying to say
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yujisakaii (11/18/2015) [-] so i should lie to them, then fail horrible because i dont know what i am doing ?
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ChuckNorrisVsMRT (11/18/2015) [-] The point is you need to know what you're doing, not actually have 10 years of experience, but 10 years worth of experience.
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yujisakaii (11/18/2015) [-] i just try to map that on my current situation
i work since 5 years as a software developer
my collegue is 10 years longer there than i am
he has far more experience than i have
if i tried to fill his position i would fail
i work since 5 years as a software developer
my collegue is 10 years longer there than i am
he has far more experience than i have
if i tried to fill his position i would fail
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akkere ONLINE (11/18/2015) [-] Demonstrate you have superior talents to your colleague on fields you know by heart. Five years of experience seems like a big deal until you realize how much time is allocated on day-to-day tasks mixed in with the advancing project. Study ahead of the game to understand what additional skills are trending in demand that are completely relevant to your field, and get a leg up on them, because chances are if they're trending too soon, your colleague might not be aware of it or have enough knowledge to get necessary traction on applying it.
Some employers love the fundamental idea of innovation even if the practicality of the circumstance isn't much to boast about, so if you demonstrate familiarity with something they've read about in passing, it might let you catch their attention that much longer.
Some employers love the fundamental idea of innovation even if the practicality of the circumstance isn't much to boast about, so if you demonstrate familiarity with something they've read about in passing, it might let you catch their attention that much longer.
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yujisakaii (11/18/2015) [-] i am currently studying business informatics
but he allready has that and much more, he went from school to study etc. the same way i did, so there isnt really much i could do to get on his level of experience
i think i have a good foundation, but there are some things you cant have from learning, only experience from time gets it
but he allready has that and much more, he went from school to study etc. the same way i did, so there isnt really much i could do to get on his level of experience
i think i have a good foundation, but there are some things you cant have from learning, only experience from time gets it
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DrFlanigan (11/18/2015) [-]
Do you know how to get 10 years worth of experience? Work for 10 years.
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ChuckNorrisVsMRT (11/18/2015) [-] You can easily get 10 years worth of experience in 5-9 years of real commitment.
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innocentbabies (11/18/2015) [-]
The whole point of interviews is to pretend you're desirable, since you're here with us, you obviously aren't, which is why it's pretending. That said, you should do it without actually lying, because if you do get the job, you can and probably will get fired for it. So, be dishonest, but don't say anything that is actually false, and don't be honest about it, either. In other words, it's like a political election.
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pokemonstheshiz (11/17/2015) [-] What a lot of people don't realize is that, quite often, the "requirements" listed are not requirements, but more of a wish list. How it really goes is more like:
"Like yeah, I'd really like to have someone with 10 years experience. But the reality is I probably won't find many of those, especially working for the money I can give them. The dude who came in yesterday only have 2 years, but he seemed pretty quick to learn and his employer said some good things about him, I'll go with him I think."
"Like yeah, I'd really like to have someone with 10 years experience. But the reality is I probably won't find many of those, especially working for the money I can give them. The dude who came in yesterday only have 2 years, but he seemed pretty quick to learn and his employer said some good things about him, I'll go with him I think."
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Faz (11/18/2015) [-] Unfortunately thats not always the case, when i was looking for IT apprenticeships one job had its requirements as "Full knowledge of C++ and Java coding and a background in network security yet they were paying £8000 a year (Which is WAAAAY below minimum wage but is totally acceptable for apprenticeships). I had a college qualification in IT so i thought "Well, for this wage im going to be the most qualified applicant" so i got to the interview and the interviewer asked me about my knowledge of C++, Java and background in network security, when i told them that i had knowledge of C++ but was far from perfect and my Java consisted of a simple card game i created and that i had no background in security they got angry and asked why would i apply for a job if i didn't have what they wrote down on the requirements.
They wanted a full qualified and experienced IT technician who would easily command a £30-35,000 a year job but instead pay them £8000 as an "Apprentice". Some companies are just too ******* stupid.
They wanted a full qualified and experienced IT technician who would easily command a £30-35,000 a year job but instead pay them £8000 as an "Apprentice". Some companies are just too ******* stupid.
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blowbags (11/18/2015) [-]
had similar **** , wont type out an A4 sized rant with details but basically I work in IT support. theres 1st 2nd and third "line", first line is basically tech support/password resets etc
Anyway 2nd line job comes up, I (first liner) apply. CV makes it very clear I feel I'm done with first line, 95% calls are just me repeating my knowledge, but have very little real "2nd line" experience, just some shadowing to watch 2nd liners set printers up/mailbox restores.
My main issue with it is, I submitted my CV, if he'd taken the time to run through it he could have mailed me and said "it's a new customer and we are desperate to have maximum efficiency/dont have the time to train people up" but no... just spoke to me like I was an idiot
"No exchange server management"
"Well I've done a couple of restores but not really"
"That's a no then"
"I've also.."
*cuts me off*
"Printer config? driver testing?"
"No... first line"
I highlighted what I had done within my power to grab at 2nd line experience, we have the Microsoft certification books (well, random ones, but useful ones) that i'd studied, SCCM books, anything citrix related I could get my hands on. I didn't think just because I had not done it he shouldn't be asking me but its was essentially him putting up a brick wall to anyone who wasn't A: relocating B: downranking (so were already more than capable of the job)
Like I said earlier, if his standards were sky high and he had good reason for it then so be it, unfortunately they can hold the cards sometimes when recruitment/progression is slow or experienced guys have to be redeployed.
But yea.. pointlessly frustrating and embarrassing, only hope it happens to him.
Oh and he had short man syndrome and I'm 6'4" too, DEFINITELY cos of that and not cos I wasn't good enough for the job
Anyway 2nd line job comes up, I (first liner) apply. CV makes it very clear I feel I'm done with first line, 95% calls are just me repeating my knowledge, but have very little real "2nd line" experience, just some shadowing to watch 2nd liners set printers up/mailbox restores.
My main issue with it is, I submitted my CV, if he'd taken the time to run through it he could have mailed me and said "it's a new customer and we are desperate to have maximum efficiency/dont have the time to train people up" but no... just spoke to me like I was an idiot
"No exchange server management"
"Well I've done a couple of restores but not really"
"That's a no then"
"I've also.."
*cuts me off*
"Printer config? driver testing?"
"No... first line"
I highlighted what I had done within my power to grab at 2nd line experience, we have the Microsoft certification books (well, random ones, but useful ones) that i'd studied, SCCM books, anything citrix related I could get my hands on. I didn't think just because I had not done it he shouldn't be asking me but its was essentially him putting up a brick wall to anyone who wasn't A: relocating B: downranking (so were already more than capable of the job)
Like I said earlier, if his standards were sky high and he had good reason for it then so be it, unfortunately they can hold the cards sometimes when recruitment/progression is slow or experienced guys have to be redeployed.
But yea.. pointlessly frustrating and embarrassing, only hope it happens to him.
Oh and he had short man syndrome and I'm 6'4" too, DEFINITELY cos of that and not cos I wasn't good enough for the job
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Faz (11/18/2015) [-] Because i don't lie in interviews, im currently 3 for 4 on interviews with the only one i failed being that retarded one. I've worked at places where new people have come in and lied in the interview and then gone on to get fired 2 weeks later. Also they explained to me the daily routines that i would be doing when taking on that position, all the **** they wanted me to do for £8000 a year was laughable, i would have been the IT bitch for the whole company so even if i did lie and they offered me the job i would have turned it down.
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toosexyforyou (11/18/2015) [-] Yeah I don't suppose you told the other interviewers that your burger flipping is far from perfect and your dish washing is **** ?
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Faz (11/18/2015) [-] Yeah thats exactly why im an administration manager for an engineering team making £20,000 a year at age 20 and have been offered the job (twice) at the same company as the sole goods in manager (meaning that i manage all items which come into the company) for a company thats turning over £150,000,000 a year with only one site. But yeah, continue to flap your mouth and presume little boy.
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toosexyforyou (11/18/2015) [-] I'm just saying that you were probably more confident in what you were selling to this company that you work for now than what you said to the other guy, ******* .
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toosexyforyou (11/18/2015) [-] Well you choose which ones you can exaggerate, you wouldn't want to lie about not being able to use Java or whatever program that's required but you could say that you've looked into it and learn it quickly or something like that. It's not like they're asking you a yes or no question, you get to elaborate a bit
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Faz (11/18/2015) [-] I don't know why you think i went into the interview saying i was **** , i know how interviews work i've held lots of them myself, i explained that although i wasn't perfect i was always trying to better myself with learning, i didn't say "Im **** at java" i said my Java knowledge isn't great, its developing at a fast rate and some other woffely ******** including no experience in network security, thats when the woman said sounding very annoyed "Did you read the job requirements? We are asking for someone very KNOWLEDGEABLE (said very slowly and emphasizing every syllable, really pissed me off) in C++ and Java with background in security, you've wasted both of our time by coming for this interview".
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TheProfessor (11/18/2015) [-] Got rejected from a job because I didn't have 10 years experience.
1: I'm 21, you think I should have started my professional experience at 11?
2: The industry I work in has only existed for 4 years.
1: I'm 21, you think I should have started my professional experience at 11?
2: The industry I work in has only existed for 4 years.
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scowler (11/18/2015) [-] I'm surprised SJWs haven't gone after employers for experience prerequisites, citing it as ageist and thus discriminatory.
Never mind that it'd cut down on unemployment. Never mind that Never mind that it'd benefit their Clique the most, since most of their majors have no practical purpose...
Whatever happened to ******* simplicity?
Never mind that it'd cut down on unemployment. Never mind that Never mind that it'd benefit their Clique the most, since most of their majors have no practical purpose...
Whatever happened to ******* simplicity?
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AnomynousUser (11/18/2015) [-] I've heard that this often comes from a miscommunication between HR and the actual bosses. The HR people will ask what they want in an employee and they'll start listing off good qualities, like experience, or a degree, or be fluent in this programming language or this other one. But when the job description is typed out, it has all of those things as requirements, even though they were just qualities that would be good...
I hope that made sense and that I'm not totally wrong...
I hope that made sense and that I'm not totally wrong...
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kinginthenorth (11/18/2015) [-] It mostly depends on what the HR people are looking for. They might be looking for people with no degree, but a lot of interest and a motivation to learn, rather than someone with a degree. HR is trained in finding out what you are like based on your interview and they'll know just what to ask you to know what they need to know.
Source: My school included applying for jobs in their courses, so i had to go test apply. I got a friendly HR boss who explained a lot of stuff about how it works.
Source: My school included applying for jobs in their courses, so i had to go test apply. I got a friendly HR boss who explained a lot of stuff about how it works.
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skebaba (11/18/2015) [-]
A mediocre employee is often better than the top tier one, who do not give their 100% for the work quality, since they are arrogant and think efficiency is below them. A mediocre employee is also more loyal to a company and less likely to leave it, because they are happy that the company hired them, despite being mediocre.
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anon (11/18/2015) [-] Hiring ENTRY LEVEL Developer.
Requirements
Despite the fact that this field has the least value from formal education of any other field in existence, you MUST have a Bachelor's Degree.
Must lead well even though you will never be leading anyone.
Must work well with people even though you're a misanthropist.
Must know five different languages despite our systems only using two.
Must have references even though you have no friends and don't want any and shouldn't have to abuse relationships with friends/acquaintances just to obtain food money.
Must have a minimum of five years verifiable work experience for an entry level position even though you can't obtain any work experience because every single ad is like this.
Must be young and be able to explain a decade-long gap in your work history. Not being able to remember most anything from your past is somehow not an acceptable reason.
Must be passionate about coding and not have chosen it just because it's a solid career for someone that has no passion or dreams or goals or aspirations whatsoever beyond having a decent life.
Requirements
Despite the fact that this field has the least value from formal education of any other field in existence, you MUST have a Bachelor's Degree.
Must lead well even though you will never be leading anyone.
Must work well with people even though you're a misanthropist.
Must know five different languages despite our systems only using two.
Must have references even though you have no friends and don't want any and shouldn't have to abuse relationships with friends/acquaintances just to obtain food money.
Must have a minimum of five years verifiable work experience for an entry level position even though you can't obtain any work experience because every single ad is like this.
Must be young and be able to explain a decade-long gap in your work history. Not being able to remember most anything from your past is somehow not an acceptable reason.
Must be passionate about coding and not have chosen it just because it's a solid career for someone that has no passion or dreams or goals or aspirations whatsoever beyond having a decent life.
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anon (11/18/2015) [-]
Yes and no.
"Bedroom programmers" aren't as good at projects, esoterics and theories.
College programmers are great at working on projects and theory... but possess little actual coding skill and research ability.
This is only generally though.
Both have got issues.
"Bedroom programmers" aren't as good at projects, esoterics and theories.
College programmers are great at working on projects and theory... but possess little actual coding skill and research ability.
This is only generally though.
Both have got issues.
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iqequalzero (11/18/2015) [-] Jesus christ, this, a thousand times this.
I already knew this about myself, but seeing it written by someone else and having it resonate so well with me is sorta kinda depressing.
I already knew this about myself, but seeing it written by someone else and having it resonate so well with me is sorta kinda depressing.
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emiyashirou ONLINE (11/18/2015) [-] If you're gonna work on a project with other people, obviously you need communication skills.
References are obvious, you can't just hire any Joe off the streets.
Would you hire someone who was a NEET for 10 years and ********* it off as not remembering his past?
References are obvious, you can't just hire any Joe off the streets.
Would you hire someone who was a NEET for 10 years and ********* it off as not remembering his past?
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iqequalzero (11/18/2015) [-] Why do you assume its ************ ? I literally have horrid continuity retention. ill remember things well enough, just not when they happened in relation to eachother.
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iqequalzero (11/18/2015) [-] Thankfully im not. To elaborate, I mostly have this problem in relation to things the happened atleast a half a year ago.
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solarisofcelestia (11/18/2015) [-] We represent the Lollipop Crew. The Lollipop Crew. The Lollipop Crew. And in the name of the Lollipop Crew. We wish to welcome you to the working world.
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armwulf (11/18/2015) [-] Alright ladies and gents- let me tell you how to get a godly resume for the job you want
#1. WORK EXPERIENCE DOESN'T MEAN HAVING A JOB
Pop on a website called "Coursera". Take a course relevant to the type of job you want. Boom, that's usually counted as a year's experience. Take three at once, you can get three years in three months.
Oh, you were in the AV club in high school? Boom, years IT experience.
Oh, you were the captain of a sports team? Boom, years management experience.
Oh, you performed on the street to get by? Boom, years sales/PR experience.
Experience isn't 'having a job' it's doing things other than sitting on your ass.
#2. Employers want to know TWO THINGS
1. Can they do the job
2. Will they do the job
Once you understand that, look at each requirement, and figure out which question (Sometimes both) that it's trying to answer, and answer that question.
#1. WORK EXPERIENCE DOESN'T MEAN HAVING A JOB
Pop on a website called "Coursera". Take a course relevant to the type of job you want. Boom, that's usually counted as a year's experience. Take three at once, you can get three years in three months.
Oh, you were in the AV club in high school? Boom, years IT experience.
Oh, you were the captain of a sports team? Boom, years management experience.
Oh, you performed on the street to get by? Boom, years sales/PR experience.
Experience isn't 'having a job' it's doing things other than sitting on your ass.
#2. Employers want to know TWO THINGS
1. Can they do the job
2. Will they do the job
Once you understand that, look at each requirement, and figure out which question (Sometimes both) that it's trying to answer, and answer that question.
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armwulf (11/18/2015) [-] The difference between can they and will they elaborated-
Can you:
Do you have the skills?
Is there anything that would prevent you?
What additional obstacles would you have to overcome?
Have you done this before?
What training do you have?
What education do you have?
Will you:
What is your work ethic?
Has someone seen you work before?
How strong a worker are you?
What events would cause you to give up?
Are you a loyal employee?
Are you going to be focused, or distracted?
Is this a job you will be satisfied with?
Can you:
Do you have the skills?
Is there anything that would prevent you?
What additional obstacles would you have to overcome?
Have you done this before?
What training do you have?
What education do you have?
Will you:
What is your work ethic?
Has someone seen you work before?
How strong a worker are you?
What events would cause you to give up?
Are you a loyal employee?
Are you going to be focused, or distracted?
Is this a job you will be satisfied with?
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mrforte (11/18/2015) [-] Depends on the field really; that might fly for your run of the mill business administration or whatnot, but for highly technical fields or design / creative industries, that won't work. For these types of jobs, they want to know that you can hold your own doing that specific task in a professional environment without needing to hold your hand.
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mrforte (11/18/2015) [-] Being a game design student, this is actually a very common problem in most design fields. Breaking into the industry can be very difficult because practically every listed position requires at least 5 years of legit work experience, and 'entry-level' job listings are quite rare. It's all about making connections nowadays; you need to make friends with the right people and work around the system.
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ognuggetry (11/18/2015) [-]
this is actually a big problem. I am 23 and had few jobs thus far. When I hit 18 for the that summer I went to about 18 stores and didn't get a single reply. I was looking for a summer job and those dont exist I guess. I tried a construction job and was fired, tried valet and was let go, then worked with my paps for like 2 years and I just want to kill myself. Are there any decent jobs out there that have decent people working within them? I'm just looking for a little hope.
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sphincterface (11/18/2015) [-] You don't really need experience to get a job, it's just that companies would prefer it that way. They really don't like taking the time to train new people all the time and would rather have someone who has some idea what they are doing in there. No experience doesn't mean you're going to get rejected for the job. You just have a much higher chance of getting the job with experience.
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anon (11/18/2015) [-]
nepotism
ˈnɛpətɪz(ə)m
noun
the practice among those with power or influence of favouring relatives or friends, especially by giving them jobs.
ˈnɛpətɪz(ə)m
noun
the practice among those with power or influence of favouring relatives or friends, especially by giving them jobs.
