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A Real Feminist. What happens when a beloved 80's rock star says that you should take simple steps to not get raped? The internet hates her. "She writes th

What happens when a beloved 80's rock star says that you should take simple steps to not get raped? The internet hates her.

"She writes that when she was 21, she met some fellows in a Hell's Angels bike gang in Ohio who ordered her to strip, threatened her with violence if she didn’t comply with their sexual demands, threw matches at her nude body and then assaulted her.

In the book, she writes: “However you want to look at it, this was all my doing and I take full responsibility. You can’t **** around with people, especially people who wear ‘I Heart Rape’ and ‘On Your Knees’ badges...those motorcycle gangs, that’s what they do. If I’m walking around and I’m very modestly dressed and I’m keeping to myself, and someone attacks me, then I’d say that’s his fault,” she said. “But if I’m being very lairy and putting it about and being provocative, then you are enticing someone who’s already unhinged—don’t do that.”

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#1 - enochian (09/16/2015) [-]

Face it; if someone has intent to rape, then that's what they are going to do. For some of them, they're going to have a preference whether it be the amount of clothing you do or don't wear, the colour of a potential victim's hair, demeanour, etc. Others with the intent aren't going to care too much about who they go after when it comes to traits.

Yet, what's broadcasted is that scantily clad women are the ones that are almost guaranteed to end up raped in comparison to a more modestly dressed female (and one doesn't often hear about the real issue of the male populace being raped). While that is true to a certain extent, harping on it isn't going to help educate anyone on how to stay safer. We've all heard it before, and it's as bad as having the whole 'all men are rapists' thing drilled into our heads. How about some decent advice?

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#4 to #1 - anon (09/16/2015) [-]

I don't think it's even that the girls wear skimpy clothes that make them alluring or tempting, it makes them easy targets.
A miniskirt can be ignored practically and a thong/g-string can be moved aside while leggings/tights can be easily ripped.
A girl wearing jeans or just long pants or even a long skirt is going to offer more of a challenge to get at, especially considering she'll probably be struggling too.

A miniskirt leaves you free to ignore it while you hold the girl down.
Trousers have to be undone and pulled down, usually below the knee and good luck holding her, undressing her and getting your dick in her at the same time.

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#2 to #1 - micekill (09/16/2015) [-]

the advice that should be given, isn't "you were clothed in a way that incites rape" it should be
- walk in groups, never go out into the night alone
- stay in well lit areas, no taking shortcuts through parks
- have fun, but keep yourself at a controlled level, it is easier to rape someone who is almost passing out
- always keep a weapon with you

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#10 to #2 - advice

(09/16/2015) [-]

but girls tend to hate each other by the night's end, and it's beginning, and during the daytime. walking in groups can be dangerous for them as much as others.

#38 to #10 - plasticcup (09/17/2015) [-]

you give terrible advice.

#43 to #38 - advice

(09/17/2015) [-]

that obviously wasn't advice >.>

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#3 - theism (09/16/2015) [-]

It's still the rapists fault. Even if you could have taken steps to prevent it that doesn't make it your fault.

#5 to #3 - Einsty ONLINE (09/16/2015) [-]

I'm not exactly disagreeing.

But you are the first person that is able to keep you safe, taking precautions and being able to defend is your responsibility.
Everyone takes some risks out there. You can get hit by a car, but walking on the correct side of the road can dramatically improve your ability to react to an oncoming vehicle and puts most of the vehicles coming from behind at a sefer distance.
You can trip and fall, but you can use your eyes to watch the way instead of gazing at the scenery all the time.
You can get mugged, but avoiding secluded places and parks at night and taking the longer route may place you away from the bad spot.
Your car brakes may fail, but regular servicing by a trained mechanic will prevent almost all issues on your vehicle.

You have a choice. You can acept responsibility for your own well being or you can act like it's someone else's job that is being done 100% well.

#8 to #5 - theism (09/16/2015) [-]

Yes, you're own safety should always be first priority. But if someone wrongs you by doing something they should never conceivably do: i.e rape, kill, rob etc. Then first and foremost that is their responsibility.

#15 to #8 - CrispyBacon (09/17/2015) [-]

It is their responsibility, but more often than not they don't do it because they care. I'm not going to say it's the victims fault in the case of an attack/rape/robbery/etc., but here we have, in this case the people who got angry at her are more than likely those same people who say that offering self defense classes for women is offensive, and that people should instead be taught not to rape. A person who is with friends (drunk, wanting to look tough or otherwise), mentally unstable or just has a sense of ****** up morals won't care. Being responsible for yourself, and being aware of the dangers out there and how to handle them should be YOUR concern, no it isn't right that other people will harm you, but in a way it's like dealing with most predatory animals in the wild, they're opportunistic. They shouldn't hurt you because you are not their usual quarry, but it doesn't mean they won't.

TL;DR: Think of rapists/murderers/etc. like wild animals, you never expect to run into them, but if you know they're in your area you should know what to do if the situation arises.

#16 to #15 - theism (09/17/2015) [-]

Yes, however not taking every possible step to prevent it simply does not make it your fault it happened. If you're walking down the street and a dog jumps out and bites you, is that your fault for not knowing how to fight off a dog?

#19 to #16 - CrispyBacon (09/17/2015) [-]

I'm going to present a two-fold argument here, bear with me. You can make the argument that knowing a rabid dog is in the area would help, as that could likely make news. Just as most people in areas with rapists and murderers are aware of their surroundings/neighborhoods to know that these people are present. It's simply your personal duty to stay well informed of your day to day life and events surrounding you. You are the only force that can be 100% assured to watch over yourself in the case of an emergency.

But, yes, we can't always stay well informed, surprises do happen and the unexpected, no matter how well prepared we try to be, will still occur. You could be in a very nice neighborhood and someone's dog just got loose, or a crazy man found his way to your town. Should you be expected to know how to handle the situation if it has never been a conceivable idea for you that it would happen? More than likely not. You could be the very first in the community in a string of rape cases. But, in order for these cases to occur, the action has to take place.

I'm aware i'm making a new sort of argument here, in that i'm going to say a dog would not just attack you without provocation under normal circumstances, you have to threaten the dog, or perform some kind of action first that would trigger an attack response. Just like with most violent cases the opportunity has to be there. Crime is usually described mathematically as Opportunity, Risk, and Desire (I don't know the specific formula used in this definition). The lower you can make the chances of opportunity, the more the assailant has to compare his desire versus how likely he/she is to succeed and the risk involved. It's not perfect, you will always have some risk of danger and yes, it will be the other person's fault that they made the decision to harm you, i'm not disputing that. What I am saying however is that if you are aware the crime -can- occur, then you should also at least try to be aware of how to how to minimize your risk.

And yes, I'm aware i'm arguing more specifically a theory, but most (sane) criminals will operate under a risk/reward ideology.

#6 - larfang (09/16/2015) [-]

I get what she's saying though. No matter what it will always be the rapists fault in any case. What she's saying is that you can take precautions to try and avoid people who are like this. She hung around some Hells Angels biker guys, what the hell do think was going to happen? It's like playing around in a pen with wild animals. They can turn on you at any moment, but you make the conscious choice to stay in the pen rather than leave and know that you're in a safer situation.

#14 to #6 - anon (09/17/2015) [-]

No clue how those douche bags didn't get kicked out. We don't tolerate that **** .

#9 - anon (09/16/2015) [-]

It's like walking around a heavily crime-centered area with $20 000 sticking out of your clothes. In an ideal world, it's your money and your property. Nobody should steal it, because it's wrong. You have the right to do what you want to do with your own money.

But some people have been without what you have for a looong time, and some people aren't mentally stable at all.

Might as well think a bit before you keep your day going: "Is the area I'm going to full of potential assholes?" If the answer is yes, then take some damn precautions.

A normal, sane man wouldn't rape anyone. Then again, rape is usually done by people with heavy issues of some sort, be it clinical narcissism, anti-social disorder or hilariously low intelligence.

#32 to #9 - pathatter (09/17/2015) [-]

Rape as we usually define it (girl being kidnapped in the street or park) is a lot less common than rape within a relationship. And then the guy often doesn't think he's raping his gf or wife, he's just having sex with her when she isn't really into it.

#24 to #9 - tehwheelman (09/17/2015) [-]

thumbed for father abasi

#22 - ieatsnatch (09/17/2015) [-]

That is hardly a "OMG we were drunk, that wasnt permission!" kind of rape, that was legit need to go to prison kind of people. Why the hell does she blame herself?

#39 to #22 - aleypal (09/17/2015) [-]

well, like she said she was being really provocative and enticing around a group of bikers that had i heart rape tattoos, so i see her thinking behind it. it's kinda like cutting yourself in shark infested waters, the shark is to blame for eating you but really what did you expect.

#27 to #22 - captainprincess ONLINE (09/17/2015) [-]

because the whole event probably felt like being ripped at by a pack of wild dogs
Few people would actually full-on blame the dogs themselves, they're just doing as they do

if anything, by blaming herself she was reducing those guys to subhuman beasts who can't control themselves
Kind of a give-and-take

#26 - captainprincess ONLINE (09/17/2015) [-]

It's almost like today's "feminists" are just children who don't want to take responsibility for their lives

BUT want all the benefits of autonomy like not having to submit to the authority of those who are then willing to take care of you

Sugarbabies who want their daddies' wallets and not repay the favour

#30 - anon (09/17/2015) [-]

I feel sorry for Chrissie, for what happened to her, and her points are sorta valid (you don't poke the bear) if a little sexist and demeaning to men (''oh my god!! A boobflash!! Rape mode activated!!'' It may be a little hard to accept but SOME guys actually CAN control their urges) but it's pretty damn obvious why she said what she did- it all comes down to control. Chrissie seems like a pretty in control chick and the idea of her not having any control- even whilst being gangraped by bikies- must have been a complete antithesis for her. If it makes her feel better by thinking she could have changed events by not wear a lowcut top then meh, that's her issue, it's a little sad and very understandable.

#12 - darksideofthebeast (09/16/2015) [-]

>Threw matches at her naked body
That'smyfetish.jpg

#35 - metalheadtildeath (09/17/2015) [-]

don't poke a sleeping bear

#33 - polpoulpe (09/17/2015) [-]

when you guys start saying rape is the victim's fault, it's about time I leave this site.
So long, psychos.

#31 - anon (09/17/2015) [-]

It's actually all about confidence and vulnerability, if you look like target you will be targeted, if you play the victim you'll be victimized, or rather, you're more likely to be. All you can do is take every precaution to protect yourself, have mace, when walking around at night have someone, preferably a guy, preferably a guy you trust, with you, a rape whistle's good, whatever you need to feel safe. Because that's the key to staying safe, feeling safe.

#25 - YippieKiYay (09/17/2015) [-]

I think she's right to an extent ... We live in a **** world where people are raped - just like any other crime; and we need to be conscious of it and do what we can to protect ourselves. If that means taking precautions when possible like not walking home alone at night, or through dodgy areas, etc - then yes, man or woman, I think we should do that. But that doesn't mean it's the victim's fault if it does happen, or that the attacker is any less at fault, and it doesn't mean that we shouldn't address the underlying issues.

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#7 - starflower (09/16/2015) [-]

>Implying it's not a woman's place to serve a man and submit whether she likes it or not.

If we had kept these cunts in their place decades ago, we wouldn't have all this feminism ******** .

#28 to #7 - captainprincess ONLINE (09/17/2015) [-]

Laid it on a little too thick and you just look like you're reading from Baby's First Off-Color Jokebook

#11 to #7 - reican (09/16/2015) [-]

go back to halfchan you ******* NORMIE

#18 to #11 - anon (09/17/2015) [-]

>funnyjunk thinks it isn't a bunch of normies
>reposts HAHAHAHAHAHA PEPEEEEEEE
stay in funnyjunk, normie.

#36 to #18 - reican (09/17/2015) [-]

#29 - fiveblackmen (09/17/2015) [-]

I don't completely agree with this. I wouldn't say that it was completely her fault but she definitely could have tried to stay away from members of a biker gang that is known for doing **** like this. I don't think enticing a potentially dangerous person necessarily means you deserve to be assaulted but it definitely shouldn't come as a shock.

#41 - anon (09/17/2015) [-]

You should never expect or rely on someone doing the right thing. People rarely do the right thing.

#40 - qotsa (09/17/2015) [-]

if being a real feminist is blaming yourself for beeing raped, than i don't want to be one. what she did was irresponsible, and she's right to say that people should be cautious and of course she's regretting hanging around with those people, but i'm still against blaming the victim like it was them who made to choice to get raped. it just makes the rapists look like they didn't have a choice but to rape.
and i'm not talking about girls regretting they had sex with someone. they should get their **** together bring on the red thumbs, i don't give a ****

#42 to #40 - anon (09/17/2015) [-]

You do understand that things don't have to all be blamed on one party. If you walk into a bar full of known rapists and expect to walk out without being raped knowing that you walked in there. That is like walking into the den of a lion with new born cubs and expecting to not be attacked. If you KNOW that these people are bad and that they will do it, and you disregard that and do it anyway. That is what she is saying. Would you be willing to let a known pedophile baby sit your kids? or your cousins, nieces or nephews? Would you put your kids in that position? And if something happened wouldn't you feel responsible because you were aware of the situation? How is being aware of a strong possibility and ignoring it and saying well I saw that coming a bad thing? Rape is the only thing that is looked at that way. It is a terrible thing to happen but if you can knowingly avoid it why wouldn't you?

#37 - pallepis (09/17/2015) [-]

This is not facebook girls. Now **** off to Loliland.

#34 - fuzzyballs (09/17/2015) [-]

great way to judge every motorcycle gang there, buddy
real nice

#23 - anon (09/17/2015) [-]

I like how it's a catch 22 too, because in today's society being attractive will vastly improve most every career.
If you have the same skills as someone else, the prettier one will get the job.