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A question. I hope people reply to this.. If a random stranger was preparing himself tstump off a bridge and you were passing by, what would you say to convince

I hope people reply to this.

If a random stranger was preparing himself tstump off a bridge and you were
passing by, what would you say to convince him not to commit suicide,
assuming that you wanted to do so?
Respond in no more than 30 words. Avoid vague, superficial and unthoughtful
responses that most people would want to use in situations like this ( You' ll
have to figure which are and which are not by yourself, just use reason and a
bit of empathy l. Be honest.
I saw this question on Reddit and thought it would be interesting to ask it here.
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#27 - numbmind (12/11/2015) [-]
**numbmind used "*roll picture*"**
**numbmind rolled image**"Next one to jump is a douchebag"
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#28 to #27 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
That's annoying, but clever.
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#1 - simonhatesfj (12/11/2015) [-]
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JUST - - DO IT!
DON'T LET YOUR DREAMS BE DREAMS!
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#2 to #1 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
Doesn't work. If the person is going to attempt suicide they obviously don't have the option to ''just do it''. They lost it a long time ago.
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#3 to #2 - simonhatesfj (12/11/2015) [-]
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User avatar #7 to #2 - thevaulthunter (12/11/2015) [-]
There is no way you can know that...
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#8 to #7 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
Umm, there is. Common sense. If someone's suicidal they're giving up on life. So logically they don't have the option to ''just do it''. Hence why they're giving up. And killing themselves.
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User avatar #13 to #8 - thevaulthunter (12/11/2015) [-]
You don't sound like someone who has experience with this matter. Support from a stranger often reminds them that if a stranger cares, then how about family or friends? How much would they care?
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#15 to #13 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
Don't bring that up to a suicidal person. It just makes them feel even worse. They're attempting suicide because they want a way out, and are giving up. Reminding them of how much their loved ones will suffer does not solve their problem, it only fills them with more despair.
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User avatar #35 - notwalkingwaffles (12/11/2015) [-]
Did you know that when your body hits the water, the way most people die is by being torn apart? Go home, have some tea, mod Skyrim into harcore porn.
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#36 to #35 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
You'd think they'd know that already. Hence why they plan on jumping off. I don't think it matters since they just want to die.
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#38 to #36 - notwalkingwaffles (12/11/2015) [-]
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Also people - especially women - have a certain aversion towards extreme gore, and especially becoming extreme gore, which is why most women who commit suicide tend to use less messy ways than men.
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#40 to #38 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
That's because women are weak.
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User avatar #37 to #36 - notwalkingwaffles (12/11/2015) [-]
Well yeah, but there are more comfortable ways to go.
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#39 to #37 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
It doesn't matter. The objetive is to die. The way it's achieved is that matters the least. Also I'm pretty sure death would be instantaneous if you jumped from a high enough place unless you got that ****** up kind of luck and survived the fall ( though that's a very slim chance so there's no need to worry about it ).
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User avatar #41 to #39 - notwalkingwaffles (12/11/2015) [-]
In a "I WILL kill myself and I do not care about the way in which I do it", there are also easier ways.
Also, it's probably not the average suicider then.
The average one considers death, contemplates it, looks at ways people die and say "I wonder if it would be swift", then (in the case of men usually) they get drunk as hell and pick the one that's easiest to talk themselves into, but it's by far not without consideration of the circumstances of the death.
So it does very much matter.
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#42 to #41 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
Still, all ways lead to the same result.
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User avatar #44 to #42 - notwalkingwaffles (12/11/2015) [-]
Just takes a little longer with more sex and videogames.
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User avatar #43 to #42 - notwalkingwaffles (12/11/2015) [-]
So does not killing yourself though.
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#45 to #43 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
there's no sex and videogames for a suicidal person.

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User avatar #46 to #45 - notwalkingwaffles (12/11/2015) [-]
There are if they choose to play them.
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#47 to #46 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
You need money to buy videogames, and to have money you need a job, and to have a job you need to be a stable, competent person, whom suicidal people are not.
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User avatar #56 to #47 - notwalkingwaffles (12/11/2015) [-]
Depends on the infrastructure.
I live in Denmark, where, if you study or are unemplyed, you get 5000 kr a month (about 736 USD), up to twice the amount if you're well educated and unemployed, which is enough for rent and food, and in most cases also video games.
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#58 to #56 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
You don't become capable of living by yourself by and have all your **** figured out just living in a well-managed country. You also don't become imune to mental illnesses and all the other **** that makes people kill themselves by living in those types of countries.
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User avatar #60 to #58 - notwalkingwaffles (12/11/2015) [-]
Actually, you pretty much do become able to live by yourself if you live in that well-managed country.
It's pretty much just get check, send half of it in for rent, spend a quarter on food, spend the rest at your leisure. What's not to be capable of?
And since life is basically just entertaining yourself until you die, and you have Steam with games for even the slowest excuse for a computer, and you have money (if you live in said well-managed country), why kill yourself?

This, however, was never about becoming a well adjusted person, it was about not killing yourself.
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#61 to #60 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
No, you don't. It depends on the person to make use of all the resources available to them. If they're not competent or have issues then they'll not live well even if they live in the richest country in the world. If what you were saying was true, then why are suicide rates so high in 1st world countries like South Korea, Japan, Finland, Sweden, and others? Why do people kill themselves if they have everything laid out for them, right? Well...

What you don't understand is that people are not so logical as you think they are and that things don't work so perfectly as you think they do. You don't build character and grow as a person if you live in a rich country and you're not free from bad things happening to you and your life as well.
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User avatar #62 to #61 - notwalkingwaffles (12/11/2015) [-]
It was never about living well either.

South Korea and Japan, especially Japan, have a massive gap between the poor and the rich, meaning that unless you work yourself half to death all day every day, you'll probably never make the jump. It's called being burned out.
Sweden has a suicide rate which is below the OECD average, so I don't know where you're getting that from.
Finland spends very little on treatment of mental illnesses.

It's, again, not about how to become a functioning member of society, it's about how to have a little joy in an otherwise seeming joyless life.

Here's a secret though: Nobody is perfectly happy with their lives, nobody is, as you call it, 'competent', and everybody have issues. You said it yourself: You're not free from bad things happening to you. **** happens. Most people get the **** over it, other people don't.

Your claim, however, that you cannot experience personal growth if you live in a rich country is unsubstantiated by any sort of evidence, and you never answered my question: How can you be unable to live by yourself (granted that you do not have physical handicaps or lack the mental capacity to realise what money is) - unable as in not able to, not as in unwilling to or as in not doing so with ease, but as in literally unable to?
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#63 to #62 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
What? Oh sorry, I meant to say that you don't automatically achieve personal growth by just living in a rich country. It also depends on your own experiences, your life and yourself to become capable of achieving happiness and success ni life.

You can be unable to live by yourself if you don't have the maturity and mental capacity to handle the responsibilities of adult life, or if you suffer from mental issues or negative thoughts/attitudes. All those are caused by how your life has been up to now and how you have reacted to it. People kill themselves because they see living as being too hard or painful, and don't see themselves as capable of being happy or just don't it it matters anymore. That's because of their own lack of self-development and/or because their experiences and their life up to now haven't been very ''fair'', if you know what I mean.

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User avatar #64 to #63 - notwalkingwaffles (12/11/2015) [-]
I, to some extent know what you mean, but I don't entirely see how having a lot of negative thoughts equals not being able to send a digital moneysack.
I believe what you mean is that there are people who break down trying to do so, correct?
Now, being suicidal is all about your world view, because it inherently depends on whether or not you desire to live, or specifically whether or not you desire to die.
Worldviews can be changed, and in my time of close-to-suicide, I found that the only difference between the days I felt broken disgust - if not apathy - towards my existence and the days where it was just contempt was that the prior was "Life is meaningless and I'm going to die without leaving any sort of imprint on this world, like the billions of other people on the planet" and the latter was the same but added "responsibilities are fictive, play a videogame."

In other words, one is hung up on the status quo, the other is hung up on the implications, the implications being "you can do pretty much whatever the **** you want. You're free. You don't like it? Kill yourself tomorrow, but keep in mind that patch day is Wednesday".
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#65 to #64 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
I'm trying to say that not everyone can just change their point of view and take control of their thoughts like you do. A lot of people just get consumed by their own thoughts and simply can't see a future for themselves. That makes you lose motivation, which makes it hard to do everything, even sending a digital moneysack. I don't necessarily mean breaking down over things. I mean letting your thoughts influence you to the point were you just can't bring yourself to do anything anymore because you just feel that bad about yourself and your situation. You know, the thing that happens to people with depression. Complete loss of any motivation and willpower whatsoever, and also losing the ability to enjoy things in general.

You were able to take control of your life and convince yourself to live, but not everyone can do that. In fact only a few can do so. Most people just suffer over their own thoughts and their mental state deteriorates until they do something stupid and get hurt/die.
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User avatar #67 to #65 - notwalkingwaffles (12/11/2015) [-]
I mean, why can't they control their brains? What's keeping them? Do I just have mind-control powers? Other people's brains are weird.
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#69 to #67 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
Because no one's perfect, and the most complex things ( the mind ) are often the ones that cause most problems.

Maybe we shouldn't have evolved. Living as apes wouldn't be so bad. Just walking around naked in the woods with your ape family, without a care in the world.
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User avatar #86 to #69 - notwalkingwaffles (12/12/2015) [-]
Except you'd get eaten fast.
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#94 to #67 - hassoutobi [OP](12/12/2015) [-]
But they don't think about it. They just fear it because it's part of their instincts. It's not that bad, honestly. Just natural stress. They don't LIVE their entire lives in pure fear. It just kicks in in the right moments to keep them alive. Them it goes away.

Look at humans though. Let's take a look at the middle-east situation for example. Imagine knowing that you're in the middle of a ******* warfield were either side is willing to kill you and your entire family not because they're hungry,and not because you're a threat but because they're just that ****** up and bloodthirsty. Pretty worse than an ape's life, right? And guess what? You get to think about it. You get to have a more advanced mind just to be able to feel even worse than an ape fearing its natural predators. You don't just fear your death. You suffer over it.
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#92 to #67 - hassoutobi [OP](12/12/2015) [-]
They still live much simpler lives than us, and what they pass through seems trivial compared to what we pass through.
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User avatar #93 to #92 - notwalkingwaffles (12/12/2015) [-]
Trivial? Perhaps. Simpler? Yes. Easier, however, I think not. Imagine knowing that there's something out there, something willing to kill you and your family because it is as hungry as you are when you look for your food.
I'd deem that pretty stressful.
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#90 to #67 - hassoutobi [OP](12/12/2015) [-]
I know. And I'm not complaing about it.The difference is that we can think ( and stress ) about it and apes can't. Aren't they better than us in that aspect? Just absolutely carefree, expect for their own biological needs.
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User avatar #91 to #90 - notwalkingwaffles (12/12/2015) [-]
I mean, you say that, but apes show fear, they show desire to keep surviving, and humans once taught a gorilla sign language and it mimicked, when its owner had died, that it was sad.
It would make sense that apes feel stress just as much, but from different things.
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#87 to #67 - hassoutobi [OP](12/12/2015) [-]
It would just be nature running its course. Also, as an ape, I just wouldn't have the mental capacity to care that much about it.
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User avatar #89 to #87 - notwalkingwaffles (12/12/2015) [-]
Well yeah, but nature running its course is what brought us in this pickle in the first place.
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User avatar #66 to #65 - notwalkingwaffles (12/11/2015) [-]
Strange. It's quite difficult to imagine.
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#68 to #66 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
It is. That's our problem as human beings. We have evolved so much yet we just fail to understand one another. And that's understandable. After all you only live your life. You can't just understand anoher's life and mindset unless you truly dedicate yourself to it.

Some people just have it worse than others. We're just different.
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#85 to #68 - anon (12/12/2015) [-]
Well said.
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#32 - anon (12/11/2015) [-]
Do a flip
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User avatar #29 - ifailedmyact (12/11/2015) [-]
Hey pal, I don't know what's got you so sad, but lets grab some coffee and talk about it. Lets be happy together today.
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#30 to #29 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
Could work. Depends.
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User avatar #31 to #30 - ifailedmyact (12/11/2015) [-]
I'd flash my tator tots if that'll help
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User avatar #9 - thevaulthunter (12/11/2015) [-]
"Have you tried putting nutella, peanutbutter, and marshmallow fluff between two slices of bread and preparing it like a grilled cheese?"
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#12 to #9 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
Suicider: *realizes that if such a thing is possible then life is not that bad at all, gives up on suicide*

You won.
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User avatar #95 - banwagon (12/12/2015) [-]
yo! how do i get to 6th street from here?
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#70 - spetsnaztm (12/12/2015) [-]
GIF
"Why in the hell are you letting whatever is getting you down get you down to the point that you want to kill yourself? Spit in whatever's face you have to and move on.

Or are you chicken?"
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#71 to #70 - hassoutobi [OP](12/12/2015) [-]
That doesn't work. They'd simply say ''Because I'm weak'' and jump. They don't *have* the competence to ''move on''. That's why they're suicidal. Because there's no other way.
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#72 to #71 - spetsnaztm (12/12/2015) [-]
I'm of the opinion that there always is a way, it's just that people sometimes don't look for them.

But I get what you're saying - makes sense, but at the same time, it doesn't (at least to me).
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#73 to #72 - hassoutobi [OP](12/12/2015) [-]
Sometimes they don't look and sometimes they can't achieve it.
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#74 to #73 - spetsnaztm (12/12/2015) [-]
What do you mean by "can't achieve it"?

(Side note, I'm not trying to be offensive or anything, I was just raised with a certain value system, so I apologize if at any point I sound rude. Just holler)
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#75 to #74 - hassoutobi [OP](12/12/2015) [-]
What's there to explain? They can't achieve it. Either because it's too hard or just plain impossible to them. That's why they kill themselves.
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#76 to #75 - spetsnaztm (12/12/2015) [-]
So either push yourself to achieve whatever it is, or change your goal. I don't see why that should end with death (unless you change your goal to jumping the grand canyon, then godspeed).
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#78 to #76 - hassoutobi [OP](12/12/2015) [-]
You sound like that kind of person who just tells depressed people to ''Just get over it, geez!''.

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#80 to #78 - spetsnaztm (12/12/2015) [-]
Refer to #79.
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#77 to #76 - hassoutobi [OP](12/12/2015) [-]
Of course you don't get it. You're a completely normal person youself so you assume everyone else must also be like you and can totally just solve all their problems in a heartbeat. Of course you don't understand. You lack empathy or you've never faced any hardships in your life.


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#79 to #77 - spetsnaztm (12/12/2015) [-]
I do not assume everyone else is like me at all - far from it.
I do not believe I can solve their problems because that is their problem to solve.
I don't believe I'm apathetic, and I can't say I've never faced hardships in my life.
Not going to defend my stance, but man, don't jump to conclusions - either about me or in general.
It said "30 words or less", so I gave that. If that limit wasn't in place, then I'd try to talk to the guy. Otherwise, I give the answer that seems to make some of the people I know buck up when they're going through hardships.
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#81 to #79 - hassoutobi [OP](12/12/2015) [-]
You misunderstood one thing. I didn't say that YOU can solve their problems. I said that you THINK that They can solve their problems easily because you don't understand their situation. Yes you do lack empathy, for if you didn't you'd realize how other people can't just take a stance and solve all their problems and be happy so easily. If they did no one would ******* kill themselves.
If you think I'm jumping to conclusions, how about you keep replying so I can see more of your perspective and respond accordingly? I'm just using all your comments up to now as a base for my responses. It's all I have. If you don't like it then keep discussing and argue more so I can give better responses.

I'm not saying that your response is bad and that you should've done better. I'm just starting a discussion because that was one of my objectives when I made this post. I wanted to see people's reactions and then reply to them giving my opinions and point of view. I just exagerate because, well, I'm not perfect. I get a little upset because this subject puts me on edge for some reason. Maybe I just care a lot.

Anyways, seriously just try to widen your perspective. As I've said before you're pratically saying that people can just ''get over it'', like all their problems and what's making them want to commit suicide is just trivial stuff that can be easily solved. That's how I see your point of view.

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#82 to #81 - spetsnaztm (12/12/2015) [-]
Right, that was my mistake. I apologize.
I don't necessarily think that problems are easy to solve - if they were, then like you said, nobody would be killing themselves. I just think that there HAVE to be other problems in dealing with it than killing yourself.

Everyone has problems that they have to deal with, everyone has their trials, but as with other tests amongst and other trials, to kind of jump to the end, the answer isn't to throw down your gloves/pencil/whatever fits into this metaphor - it's to keep trying.

I acknowledge that there are people with EXTREMELY difficult situations/problems, ones that as you said are almost impossible or ARE impossible to solve at times, but I still hold onto the belief that people who are in those situations need to realize that that doesn't have to be their end, that whatever they're going through will pass or be accomplished, given time.

In a way, I guess I feel like the people who do have major troubles and kill themselves are people who kind of "jump the gun" so to speak (I had no other metaphor, that was not a jab).

And my bad about the overreaction, in all reality I probably would have done the same.
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#83 to #82 - hassoutobi [OP](12/12/2015) [-]
What makes you think suicidal people didn't already try many, many times, though?

But...beyond that, you nailed it this time. The point is that it's also extremely hard for them to realize that. And we have very little ways of helping them realize it. I mean, just making someone not kill themselves doesn't solve much. We may sometimes succeed at making a person not die but the real challenge is making them want to live.
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#84 to #83 - spetsnaztm (12/12/2015) [-]
They may have, but a quote from a book I read when I was like 7 or 8 comes to mind - "If at first you don't succeed, try and try again". It may take plenty of tries, but you'll eventually hit it, or realize you can walk away/move past whatever it is.

That's why you can't just cut it down to 30 words that will stop someone. 30 words isn't enough to make someone do something, or not do something, in almost any situation, if their mind is set on it.
Well, making them want to live I think is the next step. It is a victory to stop someone from killing themselves, and it shouldn't be put down, but showing whoever it is that they can live a life is the next and greater victory.
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#88 to #84 - hassoutobi [OP](12/12/2015) [-]
Not everyone can try forever. Not everyone is naturally strong enough to do it. Some people need help.

I know, I just put a limit of 30 words because It's good to start dicussions when people have to limit their opinions and try to be as efficient as possible when first responding.
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#54 - duskmane ONLINE (12/11/2015) [-]
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If you die, they win. If that is not enough reason to come down, then nothing I can say will stop you. Except... well... pic related.
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#59 to #54 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
''They'' don't ''win'' anything. The person also doesn't lose anything. They're just rage quitting the ''game''.
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User avatar #48 - ihateeverybodytoo (12/11/2015) [-]
If your life depended on people on FJ I'd say you are ****** .
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#49 to #48 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
I'm not suicidal. I just asked this because I'm curious of people's answers.
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User avatar #50 to #49 - ihateeverybodytoo (12/11/2015) [-]
I am just saying generally you'd be ****** if you only had FJ to rely on.

but I'd tell them live for hate. Suicide is a form quitting and you quitting is a victory to your enemies. and **** them right? lol
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#51 to #50 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
They're already full of hate. That's why they're gonna kill themselves. Because they can't take it anymore and just want to stop living.
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User avatar #52 to #51 - ihateeverybodytoo (12/11/2015) [-]
you know anyone that ever wanted to kill themselves?
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#53 to #52 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
Yes. My uncle.

I also use my brain a lot. I instropect and analize other people and the world all the time. So the result is I can understand people and their behaviours just a little bit.
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User avatar #55 to #53 - ihateeverybodytoo (12/11/2015) [-]
yeah most people use their brain.
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#57 to #55 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
Not everyone. If that was true then suicide and depression would be trivial subjects by now, no?
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User avatar #33 - derpinerryday (12/11/2015) [-]
"Look, you're just giving up on yourself. Are you 100% that there is any relief on 'the other side'? How can you feel relief when you're dead? You can get through this - if you're resigned to death, then you can afford to at least try to get a fresh start somewhere else.

I believe in you. Don't let me down."
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#34 to #33 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
You're just stating the obvious. Of course the person is giving up. They don't want relief. They want to stop suffering. And well, you can't feel anything if you're dead. If they're trying suicide, they're assuming that they can't go through ''it''. Telling them the opposite will only make them doubt themselves even more.

''you can at least to try get a fresh start somewhere else''- No, they can't. that's why they're going to commit suicide. They can't live and have given up.
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User avatar #96 to #34 - derpinerryday (12/12/2015) [-]
Not saying this to argue, just friendly debate:

Of course, but one can make a rebuttal for any response to this question because they all apply to different situations. There is no magic phrase that can save any suicidal person.
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#97 to #96 - hassoutobi [OP](12/12/2015) [-]
I know. I just put a 30 word limit because it's a good way to start conversations when people have to limit all their thoughts on the subject in max 30 words.
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User avatar #98 to #97 - derpinerryday (12/12/2015) [-]
Gotcha.
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User avatar #25 - dbqpdb (12/11/2015) [-]
"You know you're just gonna regret it the moment you jump, right? How about you take this $50, go bungee jumping, and test it first?"
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#26 to #25 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
That doesn't necesarrily stop the person from commiting suicide. They can just do it after they test it. Also is bungee jumping really that cheap? Anyways, nice response.
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User avatar #23 - matt leaf (12/11/2015) [-]
Wanna get something to eat?
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#24 to #23 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
That depends on the person, but I doubt anyone would turn down free food.
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#18 - anon (12/11/2015) [-]
Tell them to hurry up because I'm into necrophilia. I doubt anyone wants to get skull ****** .
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#19 to #18 - creepycrawlers (12/11/2015) [-]
Woops didn't log in.
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#20 to #19 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
Actually that depends on the person. Hey they might give up and want to have a go with you right now, alive and well.
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#21 to #20 - creepycrawlers (12/11/2015) [-]
Something you might be into? Maybe?
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#22 to #21 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
No no no, don't misunderstand. I'm not trying to act as if I'm the suicidal person. I'm just responding people's comments.

And I'm into a lot of **** but necrophilia is not one of them
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User avatar #4 - thirdjess ONLINE (12/11/2015) [-]
"Why?"
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#5 to #4 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
Because if they're trying to commit suicide, there are no other options for them. They can't just do it and follow their dreams. That's why they're suicidal.
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User avatar #6 to #5 - thirdjess ONLINE (12/11/2015) [-]
Why?
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#10 to #6 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
They can't. Because of their own reasons which only they know.
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User avatar #11 to #10 - thirdjess ONLINE (12/11/2015) [-]
A real person wouldn't respond "I can't because of my own reasons that only I know"
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#14 to #11 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
Yeah because they would know their own reasons. I'm talking about other people, not myself, so logically I don't know other people's reasons...
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User avatar #16 to #14 - thirdjess ONLINE (12/11/2015) [-]
I would prompt them to talk about whatever problems they have, by asking simple, open ended questions such as why and how. They wouldn't answer in finites, because they're actually human. You're asking us what we'd ask them, and then shutting us down for it.
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#17 to #16 - hassoutobi [OP](12/11/2015) [-]
I'm not shutting you down. I am just not trying to act as if I am the suicidal person. I'm responding to your comments with my own thoughts and opinions, while using a bit of logic. I actually just wanted to read a lot of well-thought responses though...not really planned on replying but I just feel compelled to do it.
 
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