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motorwaffle (07/24/2015) [-] I believe the Ring had more power over Frodo because he wanted to be a great adventurer, like Bilbo. He had those fantasies of fighting giant spiders and orcs, to sneaking in to dragons hordes and seeing all the parts of Middle Earth.
Sam, meanwhile, wanted to just be at home with his private garden. The Ring played on desires, and Frodo simply had broader ambitions than Sam.
Sam, meanwhile, wanted to just be at home with his private garden. The Ring played on desires, and Frodo simply had broader ambitions than Sam.
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jerrythefruit (07/24/2015) [-] In this way, though, Sam represented all that the free peoples stood for: the simple life, and a happy one. Lord of the Rings takes place during a shift in Middle Earth's natural order, the passing down of rule from Illuvatar's firstborn, the elves, to his second "children", the men. The divide between the ideals of the races is mirrored, on a smaller scale, by Frodo, the lover of elven culture, and adventure, who saved middle earth, but not for himself, and Sam, the simpler-minded, brave, and loyal follower, who inherited bag end, as man inherited Middle Earth. In many ways, this simplicity is what LOTR praises as heroistic qualities, with the rule of Gondor falling not to the noble stewards, but the simple ranger, Aragorn, the forgotten king, and Middle Earth being saved not by the firstborn elves, or even by Eru's dwarves, but by a union of Man and Hobbit, both simpler and younger races. This in mind, you have to recall that Bilbo himself refused to take Frodo along with him to Rivendell, when he departed, as " In his heart, Frodo still loves the Shire". It wasn't until he was forced out by the coming ringwraiths that Frodo left. He fell prey to the ring over time, slowly losing the feel and desire for simple life, as the elves did in the history of middle earth. Sam, not carrying the ring, represented the future Frodo (and the elves) were sacrificng themselves for, the chief remaining hope of Middle Earth. Had Sam carried the ring longer, it is quite feasible that he too would have fallen prey to its effect, and lost desire to return home. The true hero would be, then, what sam stood for, as this is what made Frodo continue through struggles.
Tolkien himself wrote in a letter to Milton Waldman, (probably the letter the fact above references), that " The simple 'rustic' love of Sam and his Rosie (nowhere elaborated) is absolutely essential to the study of his (the chief hero's) character, and to the theme of the relation of ordinary life (breathing, eating, working, begetting) and quests, sacrifice, causes, and the 'longing for Elves', and sheer beauty.".
Interestingly enough, he later described LOTR as three stories, with three heroes: Sam's quest, Aragorn's acceptance of the throne, and Eowyn's journey. Most scholars of recent years have pointed to Aragorn being the most important, and most meaningful hero among the three, but Christopher Tolkien still maintains that his father always intended Sam to be the true hero.
Tolkien himself wrote in a letter to Milton Waldman, (probably the letter the fact above references), that " The simple 'rustic' love of Sam and his Rosie (nowhere elaborated) is absolutely essential to the study of his (the chief hero's) character, and to the theme of the relation of ordinary life (breathing, eating, working, begetting) and quests, sacrifice, causes, and the 'longing for Elves', and sheer beauty.".
Interestingly enough, he later described LOTR as three stories, with three heroes: Sam's quest, Aragorn's acceptance of the throne, and Eowyn's journey. Most scholars of recent years have pointed to Aragorn being the most important, and most meaningful hero among the three, but Christopher Tolkien still maintains that his father always intended Sam to be the true hero.
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jerrythefruit (07/25/2015) [-] Oh, my bad. Misspoke.
Technically, Eru gave permission for the dwarves to enter middle earth, but i won't stretch that, lol.
Technically, Eru gave permission for the dwarves to enter middle earth, but i won't stretch that, lol.
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motorwaffle (07/25/2015) [-] In fairness, Aule makes them to honor Eru and Eru calls them his children by adoption.
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jerrythefruit (07/25/2015) [-] True, they are the brainchild of Aule, though. You wouldn't call the ents children of Manwe, or Eru, just Yavanna.
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motorwaffle (07/25/2015) [-] The Ents and Eagles weren't given "souls" the way that the dwarves were, though. They were basically automatons when Aule was done with them, and only became "real" when Eru gave them true life, hence why they shrink from his hammer when he goes to destroy them. I mean, you still make a good point, but my impression was that Eru's involvement in the dwarves was more elaborate.
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jerrythefruit (07/25/2015) [-] Except Aragorn forsake his bloodline, out of necessity. In becoming the 16th chieftain of the Dunedain, Aragorn embraced the simpler walk of life, the point Tolkien made still standing. No matter his heritage, a ranger united the free people in the south, and led them into battle.
I also addressed the Eru issue in another comment, i misspoke, meant to say Aule.
I also addressed the Eru issue in another comment, i misspoke, meant to say Aule.
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anon (07/24/2015) [-] And then Zhuge Liang proceded to float and shoot magic orbs with his feather duster.
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ndepicninja ONLINE (07/25/2015) [-]
swear to god, dynasty warriors took up most of my childhood
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destaice (07/24/2015) [-] Are we just going to ignore the fact that we all missed a chance to see Chris Pratt as a daytime stripper?
We will never get that chance again.
We will never get that chance again.
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harrypottergirl (07/24/2015) [-] unless he stars int the next Magic Mike movie, than you are correct.
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IamSofaKingdom (07/24/2015) [-] If the internet is any indicator then it is one of two options. Behind the curtains or teasing terminally ill children and stressed adults.
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yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee (07/24/2015) [-] "hurr durr sky wizard says I cant fap or eat bacon but can stone adulterers and must chop off my willy tip"
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thenamecreator ONLINE (07/24/2015) [-] ...
Coming from an atheist myself, that sounds pretty childish.
Considering the bible doesn't even say anything about masturbation, the pork eating part is irrelevant, and has been deemed irrelevant by many Christians. I'd assume most Christians who are not mentally ill can not say who will get stoned, even if they do cheat on their spouse. Also the foreskin thing is optional. Really, you try to make Christians sound stupid, but really just making us look stupid in the process.
Believing in a god is nothing for someone to lose your respect over, I'd rather feel good for them, because it's something they can have faith in or whatever. Atheists just put their faith elsewhere.
Coming from an atheist myself, that sounds pretty childish.
Considering the bible doesn't even say anything about masturbation, the pork eating part is irrelevant, and has been deemed irrelevant by many Christians. I'd assume most Christians who are not mentally ill can not say who will get stoned, even if they do cheat on their spouse. Also the foreskin thing is optional. Really, you try to make Christians sound stupid, but really just making us look stupid in the process.
Believing in a god is nothing for someone to lose your respect over, I'd rather feel good for them, because it's something they can have faith in or whatever. Atheists just put their faith elsewhere.
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yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee (07/24/2015) [-] they also harm society by making abortions hard to get leading to unwanted babis, poverty, crime, and tards. Plus I have to have my tv shows and films puritanically censored because 3 people in the world are offended.
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thenamecreator ONLINE (07/24/2015) [-] Where on earth are you unable to abort unwanted babies? Public hospitals can't deny you that. There is more of a chance that the mother ends up wanting to keep the baby just because it's their instinct. Also, what do you mean censored? I would rather not be watching a show, with my children and then have some naked woman come on screen with her tits hanging out, or a guy with his schlong hangling out and my kids having to see that. If you're talking about cursing, forget it, because where I am, they swear on television.
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yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee (07/24/2015) [-] www.womenonwaves.org/en/page/460/abortion-laws-worldwide lliterally 1/4 of the world's nations. imagine getting raped, getting pregnant but you couldnt abort
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thenamecreator ONLINE (07/24/2015) [-] Okay, but you're not ignoring the 75% that can. That doesn't really say much as to Christians withholding your ability to get an abortion, now does it?
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yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee (07/24/2015) [-] if i have sex with a woman and accidentally impregnate her she may choose to keep it cuz "muh religion" then i will be made a father involuntarily. Id say that kinda ******* affects me immensely but thats just me and my wacky contrarian niche beliefs
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yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee (07/25/2015) [-] "i Don't wanna get shot by bullets"
> Don't get shot then. That simple
> Don't get shot then. That simple
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thenamecreator ONLINE (07/25/2015) [-] Umm, how about you don't have sex with someone you don't want to be with?...
She may choose to keep it because of religion, or ya know... BECAUSE ITS A ****** BABY AND MOST WOMEN WANT TO START FAMILIES IDK
She may choose to keep it because of religion, or ya know... BECAUSE ITS A ****** BABY AND MOST WOMEN WANT TO START FAMILIES IDK
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ninjaspartan (07/25/2015) [-] Well you make a strong case for abortion when you act this retarded.
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thrifty (07/25/2015) [-] I always think it's hilarious when someone's like
'Oh man Queen, my favorite band, I love their music, got all the albums'
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"Wait he's gay? **** that I'm burning all the LP's."
And **** like that. Like you respect him for his acting I presume, but his ideology or religion that you just discovered now invalidates all that?
Life must suck being like that. How can you become invested in anything or anyone...?
'Oh man Queen, my favorite band, I love their music, got all the albums'
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"Wait he's gay? **** that I'm burning all the LP's."
And **** like that. Like you respect him for his acting I presume, but his ideology or religion that you just discovered now invalidates all that?
Life must suck being like that. How can you become invested in anything or anyone...?
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yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee (07/24/2015) [-] Did the jock then beat himself up because he became a nerd?
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bismarcksback (07/24/2015) [-] From wikipedia: "The fight began at 10:30, and it looked as if Sullivan was going to lose, especially after he vomited during the 44th round. But the champion got his second wind after that, and Kilrain's manager finally threw in the towel after the 75th round."
Sweet Jesus, no wonder we use him as over manly man.
Picture from the fight:
Sweet Jesus, no wonder we use him as over manly man.
Picture from the fight:
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bohemianblasphemy (07/24/2015) [-] I don't care how manly Australians can be; they're still no match for the Irish
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syrianbro (07/24/2015) [-] Or maybe that's exactly what the government wants us to think¡
Nice try feds
Nice try feds
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kez (07/24/2015) [-]
To add to the Zhuge Liang fact.
The attacking General was Sima Yi. The man who ended up winning the entire war 3 kingdoms war and unifying china Well, he died from old age/illness during it but his family completed his plans and was probably the 2nd most intelligent and strategic genius at the time (after Zhuge Liang).
Sima Yi caught Zhuge Liang in a surprise attack, catching him off guard and surrounding the castle/fort. Zhuge Liang knew there was no way to defend it, and no way to escape, so he used the only thing he could, his reputation as being a complete genius and the best strategic General.
So when Sima Yi walked up to the castle where he thought he had FINALLY bested perhaps his biggest and only real rival, who had evaded him at every turn and out smarted him numerous times. He found Zhuge Liang sitting there on his own at the entrance waiting for him and playing a lute and pretty much saying "I dare you to attack".
So Sima Yi thought it must be a trap and retreated.
Its one of the ballsiest plays in all of history and is pretty famous for being an example of just how powerful a reputation can be and how a reputation can change someone entire outlook.
If it had been a lesser man doing this stratergy, Sima Yi would have seen through it and rationalised it as just being the desperate act of someone who knew they had lost.
Cool stuff
The attacking General was Sima Yi. The man who ended up winning the entire war 3 kingdoms war and unifying china Well, he died from old age/illness during it but his family completed his plans and was probably the 2nd most intelligent and strategic genius at the time (after Zhuge Liang).
Sima Yi caught Zhuge Liang in a surprise attack, catching him off guard and surrounding the castle/fort. Zhuge Liang knew there was no way to defend it, and no way to escape, so he used the only thing he could, his reputation as being a complete genius and the best strategic General.
So when Sima Yi walked up to the castle where he thought he had FINALLY bested perhaps his biggest and only real rival, who had evaded him at every turn and out smarted him numerous times. He found Zhuge Liang sitting there on his own at the entrance waiting for him and playing a lute and pretty much saying "I dare you to attack".
So Sima Yi thought it must be a trap and retreated.
Its one of the ballsiest plays in all of history and is pretty famous for being an example of just how powerful a reputation can be and how a reputation can change someone entire outlook.
If it had been a lesser man doing this stratergy, Sima Yi would have seen through it and rationalised it as just being the desperate act of someone who knew they had lost.
Cool stuff
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kez (07/24/2015) [-]
Sima Yi finally "defeated" Zhuge Liang about 10 years after Zhuge Liang had already died of illness and had set out plans so far in the future his men were able to follow them exactly, as he had predicted his enemies movements way into the future.
When Sima Yi saw Zhuge Liangs camp and how he had died so much earlier, he declared Zhuge Liang the best General that ever lived.
Ands that comings from the guy who did what no other kingdom could do in 100 years by conquering all of china.
When Sima Yi saw Zhuge Liangs camp and how he had died so much earlier, he declared Zhuge Liang the best General that ever lived.
Ands that comings from the guy who did what no other kingdom could do in 100 years by conquering all of china.
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midgetmistro (07/25/2015) [-] I'm pretty sure all his friends called him Zhuge Liang dick after that
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dapperclapper (07/24/2015) [-] æ— ä¸ç”Ÿæœ‰, The 7th Stratagem: Create Something From Nothing.
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diobrandolover (07/24/2015) [-] It's not the punching that makes you great it's the need to overcome your foes after a humiliating defeat by winning at life. Pic only related because punching
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emiyashirou (07/24/2015) [-] Jonathan lost both the boxing match and at life, so that picture is pretty ironic.
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diobrandolover (07/24/2015) [-] Thus I said "Pic only related because punching"
Still, I would say old jojo died with more satisfaction than his enemy did.
Still, I would say old jojo died with more satisfaction than his enemy did.
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unfitninjuh (07/24/2015) [-] He got laid and died way before he reached wizard status. I'm guessing that's considered a success somewhere at life
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diobrandolover (07/24/2015) [-] I am having a hard time understanding how it is related, other than the dio reference
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unfitninjuh (07/24/2015) [-] You were expecting a comment relevant to the content, but it was me DIO CENA!!! Do dodo doooooooooooooo
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sphincterface (07/25/2015) [-] You think about it, the one with Zhuge Liang sounds perfectly like a trap. You're marching for days, and the only thing you see when you get to the city is their general just staring at you while playing the lute.....I would get the **** out of there.
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wellimnotsure (07/24/2015) [-] Regarding Zhuge Liang, the tactic is known as the empty fort strategy. His men were not told to hide, they were instructed to sweep the streets and be in full view, it was also for like a couple thousand into the city and about 50 thousand trying to take it. The only reason it worked was because the opposing commander had been victim to Zhuge Liang's strategies before and so was very cautious. It's also unlikely to have happened and was probably the author adding some interesting flavor to the Story. Romance of the Three Kingdoms, read it, you'll be a better person for it.
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thejudgingmoose (07/25/2015) [-] No you're not. It was a random joke that was only barely related to the post. Dorf was an ass.
Chin up, friend. *Pats head.*
Chin up, friend. *Pats head.*
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IrishSasquatch (07/25/2015) [-] I read about Zhuge Liang in "The 48 Laws of Power" by Robert Greene. Good book by the way.
The author used him as an example for the power of reputation. Zhuge Liang was notorious for luring his opponents into traps and deceiving people. The enemy general had heard so many stories about this guy that he didn't even wanna **** with it, even though he was pretty sure it was a bluff.
Certified badass.
The author used him as an example for the power of reputation. Zhuge Liang was notorious for luring his opponents into traps and deceiving people. The enemy general had heard so many stories about this guy that he didn't even wanna **** with it, even though he was pretty sure it was a bluff.
Certified badass.
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IrishSasquatch (07/25/2015) [-] By the way, the book doesn't really take morality into question. It isn't "how to gain power through honest and just means." It's completely amoral (and states as much), and most of it is based on lies, deception, and using other people for your own ends.
It doesn't praise the methods, but more takes the position that "Unfortunately, this game is not fair. Here's how to play it or prevent it from being played on you."
Good **** . He has a few other books worth checking out as well. The Art of Seduction, Mastery, and I believe one on war.
It doesn't praise the methods, but more takes the position that "Unfortunately, this game is not fair. Here's how to play it or prevent it from being played on you."
Good **** . He has a few other books worth checking out as well. The Art of Seduction, Mastery, and I believe one on war.
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articulate (07/25/2015) [-] Yeah, I just read the contents. I think, given the length, I would prefer to read it as a hardcover.
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IrishSasquatch (07/25/2015) [-] I've been working on it for a few months and I'm only on Law 28. It's a little much to read in one go, it's one of those books where you or I at least have to sit and digest for a day or two.
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IrishSasquatch (07/25/2015) [-] I'd recommend buying it, i think it's around $24. That and support the author, blah blah blah.
That said, here's a link: archive.org/details/pdfy-5tT5K_Bq4yydcE4V
That said, here's a link: archive.org/details/pdfy-5tT5K_Bq4yydcE4V
