A Working System. . Homework viii'' In Finland Finland' s school system accomplishes some impressive feats: THEIR HIGH TD TEN IN CANADA. AND TEN: IN THE US. HEI A Working System Homework viii'' In Finland Finland' s school system accomplishes some impressive feats: THEIR HIGH TD TEN IN CANADA AND TEN: THE US HEI
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In Finland
Finland' s school
system accomplishes
some impressive feats:
THEIR HIGH
TD TEN IN CANADA.
AND TEN: IN THE US.
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the highest
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OR SHE WILL HAVE TAKEN" STAN TESTS.
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like we million
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tests a year.
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in AVERAGE LIB 57” Finnish students
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DEIDRE DR TENDERS.
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world could learn ?til " '=
from you, Finland. F "C',
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User avatar #36 - freebrainsforall
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As a Finnish person I very genuinely wish whoever keeps reuploading these posts would just shut the **** up.

All of this is either blatantly wrong, outdated or irrelevant. For instance, we do have separate classes for special needs students (though they don't continue into high school), so that's just a ******* lie.

And the college thing is biased by free education. Most people go to college or the equivalent alternative education because its completely free, not because they're somehow brilliant as the result of the education system.
User avatar #59 to #36 - bjornkrage
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Yeah, i think that most advanced countries, besides the USA has free education
User avatar #159 to #36 - WATCHAGUNADOBOUTIT
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I like the few standardized tests thing though. Standardized tests do show something in a student, but imo, they're ******* stupid. How can they be standardized if you can ******* study for them? It just irks me.
User avatar #47 to #36 - xzenoo
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Besides I have no idea what standardized test this **** is talking about, YO (the only test I know of) is usually held in the age of 18 or 3 years of gymnasium.
User avatar #87 to #36 - securityexplain
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College is free in my country as well, and total percentage of people with finished college is less than 10%. And like half of those are ******* economists and lawyers who half-assed their complete education, then proceed to bitch how there's no job for them.

I believe people going to college in Finland is because of mentality, and because it is actively fostered by governement.
User avatar #40 to #36 - konradkurze
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i was gonna ask about that

kinda hard to run a classroom with any potatoes acting tarded disrupting things
#89 to #36 - sanepane
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And let's not forget: we have homework. What kind of ******* schools ours would be if we had no homework? In primary school if we didn't do homework, we would get all the usual ****, from negative impacts on grades (-1 on a scale of 4-10) to phoning our parents to let them know what apathetic little ***** we've been.

Also I should mention that the teachers, though their profession is respected, don't have to have a master's degree in education or anything. It's just that the schools are obligated to lay off any teacher who is not formally qualified when their job is sought by teachers who are. The unqualified teachers are technically substitutes, but I had a teacher in primary school who had "substituted" for over ten years. The wages of teachers working for state schools (like 95% of all our schools pre-tertiary-education) are pretty **** too, compared to all the effort you have to go through to become "qualified". This could be worse though, I admit.

This "infomercial" is so ******* stupid. Mind you, our education system is pretty badass. We get a lot of **** right and it's no wonder to me why we score so high on PISA tests and the like. It isn't because we don't do homework though, nor is it because all our teachers have to be top-tier(they don't).
User avatar #99 to #89 - freebrainsforall
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Id say teachers without the degrees are the exception rather then the rule, so that's exaggerating a bit. In middle school, elementary school, and high school I only had 1 teacher who didn't have the required degrees and he only stayed for a year.

I guess it varies but the vast majority of teachers do fit the requirements. In fact, they overshoot on the requirements since teaching just one subject leaves you with too few actual hours to hire. My language teachers and science teachers all had degrees that covered several subjects.

As for the wage thing, you hear that a lot, that the wages are awful, but the wage for a senior (15+ years) high school subject teacher is around 50 grand in some places. I think its another thing that varies because a lot of them get payed quite well.

Thats not to say that the teachers are amazing though, I had plenty of teachers who were awful, just that they're qualified. Arguably overqualified.
User avatar #3 - ragnarfag
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Now compare the size and population of Finland to The US.
User avatar #12 to #3 - scant
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They already mentioned the student to teacher ratio. Whether or not smaller class sizes in America are feasible is irrelevant, the fact remains that smaller classes are more successful.
#8 to #3 - hugebulliest
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Why does that matter?
#194 to #8 - buttseckss
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It's more a matter of homogeneity then size, but countries with higher populations tend to be less homogeneous. And White or Asian homogeneous countries tend to have better school performance.   
   
The U.S. has a large population (3rd in the world) and is less homogeneous. Ergo worse school performance than Finland, A homogeneous country with a lower population.    
   
The obvious outlyer to this theory is China (huge population, not homogeneous) which still has high test scores. But if you look at other high pop. countries (Brazil, Indonesia, Russia, ect.) the theory is confirmed. Development also plays a role, but that's an entire different rant completely.
It's more a matter of homogeneity then size, but countries with higher populations tend to be less homogeneous. And White or Asian homogeneous countries tend to have better school performance.

The U.S. has a large population (3rd in the world) and is less homogeneous. Ergo worse school performance than Finland, A homogeneous country with a lower population.

The obvious outlyer to this theory is China (huge population, not homogeneous) which still has high test scores. But if you look at other high pop. countries (Brazil, Indonesia, Russia, ect.) the theory is confirmed. Development also plays a role, but that's an entire different rant completely.
#139 to #8 - anon id: a3d47b96
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Has more to do with the ratio of size/natural resources to population
#97 to #8 - anon id: dac1765e
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I think it matters significantly. America has expenses to remain a world power. Finland will never matter.
#98 to #97 - hugebulliest
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If they spent the same percentage of money in the same places that Finland does, they would still have the biggest military on the globe.

The US economy is massive.
#38 to #8 - anon id: 6360fe1f
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More people are harder to care for than fewer. The US has significantly more people than Finland. This being the case, it's damn near impossible for the government or any institution to care for all of its people effectively.
#163 to #38 - kez
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In a counter arguement.

Because you have more people and therefore have much more money it is a lot easier to improve the efficiency of certain aspects.

Eg a Gym for 300 people is much more cost effective than a gym for 100 people.

Not to say your point isnt valid. But being bigger does come with a lot of advantages.

The main problem about being so large is errors are more likely to go unnoticed. If you had a perfect system where errors and problems couldnt go unnoticed/missing then more people would be better tbh. But said "perfect system" isnt realistic and getting close to it is hard.
#11 to #8 - anon id: b8d4419b
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Because the size and population of Finland is lower than most of the individual STATES in the US. It's a lot harder to micromanage things on that sort of scale.

That and unfortunately people here tend to disagree on how our educational system should work. I certainly don't know, but I do know that our current system isn't the right one.
User avatar #86 to #11 - PubLandlord
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but you gain economies of scale so if you're talking about micro economic advantages you have to consider the macro advantages
User avatar #62 to #11 - nustix
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A state is the size of a small country, if you would centeralize all the power to the government but let the states do what they are told to it wouldn't be a problem.
#6 - mexicanbean
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its because most of them are white, if not all.   
   
compared to most of the ******* that we have in this country.   
   
   
its been stated that ******* have statistically a lower educational potential compared to other races.   
   
Go ahead thumb me down, but  you know its true.
its because most of them are white, if not all.

compared to most of the ******* that we have in this country.


its been stated that ******* have statistically a lower educational potential compared to other races.

Go ahead thumb me down, but you know its true.
User avatar #56 to #6 - mexicanbean
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most of the people that are disagreeing with or thumbing me down are probably ******* who cant accept the fact that it is true.

if you live in america, US,
you're probably aware of this situation, its not that complicated to understand.


go to your local or school library and read a book regarding the educational system in the united states and i guarantee you that its going to say something about what i just said in my previous comment.

do some research, rent a book, look at the statistics, watch the news, heck you can even see it happening first hand at your school.


TL;DR ******* = the reason the united states educational system is ****.
User avatar #102 to #56 - hoponthefeelstrain
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If anything it's illegal aliens crossing the boarders and leeching off the education while not putting in any taxes themselves. This spreads the resources the school has too thin.
#95 to #56 - stalini
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The population of this website is mainly based on "muh feels"

Can't discuss ******* or faggots without being thumbed down by muh feels
#233 to #95 - anon id: 92874d1c
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say something negative about white people or america and everyone loses their ****.
User avatar #28 to #6 - didactus
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It is true, You don't have to be racist to agree.
But it has its causes.
User avatar #35 to #6 - duckwith
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You are right, sir!
User avatar #42 to #6 - helifapter
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Most students used to be white but that is not the case anymore. As an example; my old school that had a student population of 1100-1200, now over 50% of that population is *******. And what i've heard of my old school nowadays has gone to ****. So i think that the ******* has something to do with our horrible test scrores in todays time.
User avatar #105 to #42 - imofcnotharveydent
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black people are in general much worse off,
1. money problems lead to more family problems.
2.The kids have it harder in school, trying to just survive or live life with said problems.
3. Kids can't handle growing problems, drop out of school or start with drugs.
4. Now an adult, want to start family, get low paying job and the cycle continues...
#43 to #6 - anon id: 57b7c963
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Correlation does not equal causation.
Black people, for example, tend to have less wealth in the US than white people. I find it more plausbilbe that wealth explains grades better than skin colour.
Do you have references for your claims?
"It's been stated that" doesn't really do it and makes you look like the children in your gif.
#160 to #43 - kez
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Hes being a massive cunt about it but there have been many studies and tests done to determine intelligence by race and it does average out that black people are the least "intelligent" on average.

Its not by that much though and it doesnt really even mean anything since everyone is different and "intelligence" is only one of the contributing factors to success and intelligence is a very broad term that gets stiffled into areas "Intelligent" people are good at since its the easiest form of mental capacity measurable. Its easier to measure how well someone can learn something and repeat it than it is to test something more specific.

So no one really talks about it except racist people cos its kind of a taboo subject and isnt important or mean anything.

If you're wondering, it is roughly what you expect. Asian -> White -> Black.
User avatar #100 to #43 - hoponthefeelstrain
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Rich neighborhoods have higher property taxes which means better schools. That's why in some poor neighborhoods the kids can barely read or write and they're high schoolers.
#218 to #43 - haeckal
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It actually is true that blacks do less well than whites academically even when you take wealth into account. Sure, rich people score better on the SAT than poor people, and rich whites score a lot better than poor blacks. But poor whites score better than poor blacks, and rich whites score better than rich blacks. At every income level, whites (and Asians) outperform blacks.

In fact, the academic gap between whites and blacks is so large that only the very richest blacks - those making $70,000 or more a year - outperform the very poorest whites - those making $10,000 a year or less. Except for the very poor, whites always do better academically than blacks in the USA.
#94 to #43 - stalini
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>skin colour

Use the term race. Skin colour is a completely different thing, you are talking about race, not about the skin tone
User avatar #144 to #94 - seniorawesomesauce
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What exactly is the difference? A black person born and raised in the United States by two parents born and raised in the United States is a different race than a white person born and raised in the United States by two parents born and raised in the United States.
#240 to #144 - stalini
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The difference is that not everyone who have different skin colours are from the different races.
User avatar #50 to #6 - olioh
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no... its becouse allmsot this whole damn comp is utter ********.
#96 to #6 - anon id: dac1765e
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Asians/Indians in America are MUCH smarter than whites.
User avatar #132 to #6 - smellmyfaceforswag
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Do you mean black people or just *******?
#135 to #132 - mexicanbean
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*******
User avatar #136 to #135 - smellmyfaceforswag
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Ok. Good, good. You have knowledge and you don't brazenly insult others with out gathering infomation first.
User avatar #137 to #136 - mexicanbean
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LIke i said before, since when has this site been sympathetic towards black people ?

User avatar #138 to #137 - smellmyfaceforswag
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Some are like you and actually know who or at last what a black person is and some actively see anyone of darker skin color as inferior and complete dirt because of someone elses actions.
#158 to #6 - wthhhh
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even thought your slightly right you're still a ******* prick.
#184 to #6 - gerfox
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A lot of countries with an almost 100% ethnical white population perform way worse in all aspects. Norway as an example, although the population has been watered down due to immigration, it is still quite homogenous, and the results are the same as when it was homogenous.
#192 to #184 - mexicanbean
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Mfw
> homogenous

excuse my ignorance
#199 to #192 - gerfox
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Well, excuse me then!

It means that the people in the country have the same culture, and are of the same race in this case

Apparently it's written homogeneous in English. Damn.
#197 to #6 - anon id: 330b1cd8
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...racist
User avatar #68 to #6 - wardylocks
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you sound like a ******* idiot.
all the statistics are laid out for you but yet
'lol black people'
stop
User avatar #76 to #68 - mexicanbean
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I don't hate black people, im a minority myself! since when has this site been sympathetic towards black people ? , I was just pointing out the facts.

i've met some cool intelligent black men in my college, one of them is currently in my calculus 2 class, he's very smart, perhaps the smartest guy in the whole class.
I tip my fedora to all of those who are really trying to improve their education.



But i guess i got a little too carried with those statistics.
still it makes me wonder, why is this country, one of THE MOST POWERFUL COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD has a educational system that is complete ****?

What factors contribute to this?
User avatar #114 to #76 - wardylocks
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its not really a fact though, is it? that your pointing out?

#44 to #6 - iforgotmypasswords
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#14 - haeckal
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Protip for anyone interested in comparing the success of different countries' educational systems: when comparing the United States to any other country, you should break the results down by race. Taking the US average is very misleading because in the USA, whites and Asians perform very well academically, but blacks and Hispanics perform poorly.

Take a look at this chart. American Asians do fantastically well, better than Asians in South Korea or Japan (but not quite as good as Asians in Hong Kong and Singapore). American whites also do very well, better than most European countries (but not as good as Finland or Liechtenstein). Although they do poorly compared to whites and Asians, an education in the USA seems to make a major difference to blacks and Hispanics: American Hispanics outperform Hispanics from any other Latin American country, and African Americans similarly outperform Africans.

TL;DR: Education in America is pretty good, despite inequality. US Whites and Asians benefit the most from it, but Africans and Hispanics also do a lot better in the USA than in their homelands. Taking the US average and comparing it to European or Asian countries (while ignoring Africa and Latin America) is misleading.
User avatar #22 to #14 - metalmind
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Yeah, but then for fairness you would have to factor out the Turks for Germany as well.
User avatar #224 to #22 - haeckal
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True. But because non-white minorities are so much more numerous in the USA, it probably wouldn't change the overall picture much.
User avatar #229 to #224 - metalmind
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Yeah, but by factoring out minorities you also factor out most of your lower class.
If we were to factor them out, including most of the 19% minorities, we would almost certainly score higher than you.
If you leave out all the parts of the population with problems, of course it's going to be a better result.
User avatar #230 to #229 - haeckal
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If you only compared white Americans and white Germans (of all classes), I think we'd score about the same.
User avatar #232 to #230 - metalmind
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Well, it would probably be close.
#154 to #14 - anon id: 20a0a365
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PISA is one big joke. A lot of the asian countries decide which school have to give data to PISA - guess which schools? the best ofc... A lot of other countries let all their schools give data. So PISA doesn't proove much when the data is not collected in the same way all way through.
User avatar #215 to #14 - theshadowed
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That is a ******** argument because Europe is being swamped by arabs
#29 to #14 - ciacheczko
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Poland so high in this rating. Swell with kurwa.
Poland so high in this rating. Swell with kurwa.
User avatar #34 to #14 - huehuehuepster
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soooooooo...
there are no blacks in europe?
User avatar #222 to #34 - haeckal
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There are some blacks in Europe, but there are a lot more in the US.
#55 to #34 - anon id: 1bf821d1
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nope.
your all honkeys.
User avatar #46 to #14 - thechosentroll
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My country's behind ******* Turkey? How the **** is that even possible? A quarter of the men there are illiterate.
#58 to #46 - comradewinter
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Test is biased as ****. First off it only takes litterate people into account, and the country itself decides which schools that should attend. Some choose their best schools, others enroll as many as they can. Most of Norway didn't even take it, because there's a lot of hate for standardized tests, so most of the schools that took them were far up in the north or to the eastern regions, which generally have poor education. If you wanna take tests to judge how your country does on an international level, you enroll every school there is and fail those who can't/don't attend it. Any country can train an elite school of geniuses, not everyone can create a steady education program that gives a high average.
#69 to #58 - anon id: ee2f845c
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saying the test biased as **** is like saying you have no idea what the test is about....
#70 to #69 - comradewinter
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Using the test as an indicator of education quality is biased. The test itself is uselss, because some schools enroll while others skip, depending on the leading regional government at times. So the results vary a lot.
User avatar #21 - yberhippi
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This has been posted many times and the homework thing is just ********. We do have a (real) homework starting somewhere in 3rd grade which begins at age of 9. Finland's school system is getting behind the time we are living. Pisa test scores are getting lower and lower every year. And of course Finland's population is about 5 million so it's easier to teach fewer students at time. This post is outdated.
User avatar #64 to #21 - nustix
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By that logic you would also have less teachers. The reason you have so many teachers compared to students is because it's attractive to become a teacher because of their benefits.
User avatar #74 to #64 - yberhippi
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Thanks for correction.
#30 - trulydeath
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Most of these are false or no longer matter
#19 - harrywarden
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#31 to #19 - anon id: 09a94c48
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Torilla tavataan!
#49 to #19 - olioh
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perkele.  everytime this content gets reposted it makes me mad, 90% of the fact are just utter ********.
perkele. everytime this content gets reposted it makes me mad, 90% of the fact are just utter ********.
User avatar #1 - stonetomcat
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Wait, elementary schools are supposed to have 27 minutes of recess in America? My school only had 10 minutes, only on Fridays.
User avatar #65 to #1 - nustix
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Dude what the **** isn't that against law? Where I live we had like an 75 minutes of recess.
User avatar #4 to #1 - enkmaster
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Thats awful, christ.
User avatar #17 to #1 - goldenfairy
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Back in school our recess were: 10 min, 10 min, 20 min (lunch time), 20 min, all other 15 min.
In university it's 15 min, 15 min, all other 30 min
User avatar #41 - angelious
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its not that we dont get homework in finland...we just dont do em
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