NO but Love

I'D never "stick mah dik in crazy" lol.

No mang u dnt understand my bae is diffrent

Whut if she sez no? > Forever alone.iso

We'll jsut have a kid then she'll luv me 4evr

I'll just put mah bitch in place lol smack mah bitch up amirite?

I'll be succesful and she'll be sucessful and we'll not even need a prenup.

Getting a prenup is playing into the destruction of the world. I'm gonna STAND ABOVE THE DECAY!!!

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To all these guys - i know it sucks, but there is only one way to really solve this problem:

> Rise up and overthrow this entire corrupt system... top to ******* bottom.

> And in the meantime, don't get married, don't give out personally-identifying information if you "hit it" www.mgtow.com

Real men don't cry about ****** options - they just get stuff done.

"Hon, I trust you alright, I just can't say that I trust myself."

let's play "spot who forgot to get a prenup"

People don't realize that the problem with a prenup is that if she takes you to divorce court and says that you threatened/forced her to sign a prenup at marriage it will get thrown out by the court

Yeah in most courts maybe, but I think you underestimate how biased family court is.

Here's one that's a little more official and less biased. Also reporting 17%. www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/p60-240.pdf

Just look at the custodial percentages then, in 2007 only 17% of fathers in divorces were granted custody. dalrock.wordpress.com/2011/08/15/latest-u-s-custody-and-child-support-data/

Here's more "In fact, prenups get blown up regularly, says Michelle Smith, CDFA, of Smith Financial Strategies Group in New York. “Judges are the ones who make the final rulings. And they are human beings, just like everyone else. They are reading the faces in the room, and body language." www.divorce360.com/divorce-articles/law/advice/can-i-break-this-prenup.aspx?artid=890

You know that in many countries if a woman says that the prenup is unfair the prenup will be ignored and the guy still has to pay?

Listen up kids - this is why you don't take legal advice from anonymous people on the internet. At least in the US, this is wrong.

A prenuptial agreement will not prevent anything depicted in this cartoon. Child custody/child support can not be decided in the prenup. And that's the thing that's most likely to ruin your life because of the biases our society/courts have that say women are better parents than men.

Depending on which state you live in, you can't even agree on alimony in a prenup.

Beyond that, prenups get thrown out *all the time*.
abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=5333445

I recently got married. No prenup.

It's not the divorce that ***** you. It's the crazy bitch you married. I didn't marry a crazy bitch. Now, if we were to divorce would she take my **** ? Possibly. But her friends, family, and loved ones who has welcomed me into their lives wouldn't let her destroy mine, even if she wanted to, which she wouldn't.

Most women tend to be this thing called independent. Since you spend all of your time on the internet you think independent means crazy fat bitch that takes advantage of men and is just a lazy whore.

Get off the internet. Meet some real people. The internet, SJW's, and all that ******** rarely, if at all, exists in the real world.

Not gonna lie, I dated the most sane and rational girl ever. She was a software engineer, we met in college. Totally cool chick. Totally independent. Wanted to split everything 50/50.

We moved in together and dated for almost four years. Then I broke up with her, as I felt like weren't really marriage material, but we were getting old and I basically wanted to move on.

Then she went ******* crazy. As in she started yelling and screaming, refusing to let me take anything out of our apartment. She called the police and swore to them, up and down, that everything in the apartment was 100% hers, except for my clothes and my laptop.

This was right after college so really, all I had was my PS3/stack of games/TV/desk/and some pots and pans (most of the kitchen stuff was hers).

Anyway, the cops were dicks and since my name wasn't on the lease (despite having lived there for the last three years) they basically told me I needed to go or I'd be arrested. They told me I could file a claim or something and sue her to get my belongs.

Two days later she texts me, trying to get back together. I told her I thought it was a bad idea, and then like four hours later she sends me a picture of all my stuff in a dumpster.

So yeah, she was independent and all that. She had job and could buy her own TV/PS3/whatever. But once I dumped her, she went crazy and became super, super, vindictive. She trashed my stuff, just so she could. She did a few other crazy things after that - mostly just spreading lies and rumors about me. How I was a terrible boyfriend, how she kicked me out, how I was emotionally abusive. And she put a bunch of this on Facebook, and yeah, dudes and chicks were posting on there saying things like, 'You deserve so much better' and 'You're so brave!'

If we would have had kids, I'm 100% sure she'd have used them to hurt me emotionally and financially.

the trick is to start acting like a bad boyfriend until she breaks up with you and then act really sad...she won'be emotional because she was dumped, and you'll get your things back

...sounds like you were with a crazy bitch.
Plus, you were just dating. Doesn't matter how long it is. I got married. Her family and my family are now one. Neither of them would let her act like that. And, if she did, she would probably be disowned.

Sure, but until we broke up, she didn't show any signs of being crazy. I lived with her for years, she was never mean or vindictive. She was rarely emotional at all. She was well educated, had a good job, was a completely reasonable person.

Yeah - you can say every guy who gets taken to the cleaners in a divorce married 'a crazy chick'....but what I'm saying is - you have no way of knowing. This was the most calm, level headed girl I've ever dated, and I was with her *for years* - not just casually dating, but *living together*.

And she wasn't a crazy bitch until after I dumped her.

It's great that you think your families are one and all that jazz - and that her side wouldn't let her attack you. But, clearly, given the number of divorces that turn into a nightmare, we know that this is the minority. It's also worth saying, until you've been through a divorce with her family, you can't really know.

I'd bet $500, if she hit herself in the face then went to her parents and said you hit her - they wouldn't treat you like a son anymore.

No, they wouldn't...

But, she wouldn't do that. Because she's not a crazy bitch.

Don't get me wrong. I completely understanding what you're saying. But when your wife is an adult, has her own practice/business, and has means of taking care of herself then she's not just gonna walk into work and be like "Yeah I burned all of my husband's stuff because he decided to divorce me" and think that nothing will happen.

In your scenario (no offense) it sounds like a young college girl having a tantrum. No functional, independent, sane woman would hit themselves and say that they're husband did it.

Also - same deal with the people who are married 20+ years and then one of them catches the other cheating.

Right before that happens, they all say, 'My spouse would never do that!'

This Penn dude is so naive it's unbelievable.

Umm - this chick was an adult. Owning a business or not is irrelevant; she had a very well paying job. She wasn't working at McDonalds, she was a working professional with a masters degree in computer science.

No, she's not going to talk into work and say she burned my stuff - she's going to walk into work and say that she kicked me out because I was abusive and threw out my stuff. And everyone is going to believe her and tell her how great she is for doing it. Or ya know, just not mention it to her coworkers.

You say your wife isn't a crazy bitch. My point is, you can't know - until you divorce her.

There are tons and tons of married guys who said, 'My wife isn't like that' - right until their wives took them to the cleaners in a divorce.

Yeah... you're probably right.

I just divorced my wife to see if you were right. Like 5 seconds ago. Dude... crazy bitch.

You talking about your country and if so which one exactly. I really don't know how it's dealt with where i live.

Meh - I dated a girl *for years*. We lived together too. She showed no signs of being a bitch, or crazy, or a crazy bitch; until I broke up with her. She wanted to get married, I didn't. Up until that point, she was always a reasonable person.

After I told her it wasn't working out, she turned crazy.

Your solution doesn't solve the problem. Very few guys marry a crazy bitch and think, 'Well, she's crazy a f***, but I don't care'. It's not until the marriage ends that everyone realizes how crazy they are.

A prenup really doesn't help though. It's not the magic bullet solution people think it is.

Get married with a prenup. Have kids. Bam - you are in the same situation as someone without a prenup. She can still win custody of the children. She'll still get child support. She can still bad mouth you to the children/lie about why you aren't there.

In divorce cases, the kids should decide with whom they are going with. This way you can prevent them from going to the abusing person or the one who isn't as supportive of them. It affects the kids most, so it's obvious they should decide. Of course the parents can decide whether or not they want to take the kids, but if both are willing to take them, the kids should decide.

Maybe kids *should* decide. But they don't.

As children get older and older the courts will consider their opinion more and more; but children don't get to decide. Especially young children.

That's how real life work. My aunt had a company selling USB, one of her client for many years one day asked her to ship a large amount of merchandise to him in advance to his payment that month. Aunt did so and the guy took the stuff and disappeared. Now her whole family are in serious debt, would've loose their house too if her husband's siblings didn't help them pay out a small chunk.

tl:dr everyone could eventually **** on that trust you put in them, better safe than sorry.

Straw man is made of straw.

Your point is not in opposition to kyoutu's, but it IS a good point on its own.