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21st century marriage & divorce

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#1 - mobilebull (11/22/2015) [-]
**mobilebull used "*roll picture*"**
**mobilebull rolled image** Op dont give me that feel
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#13 to #1 - beastmawd (11/22/2015) [-]
besides having money issues and being a wageslave i dont think its all that bad. He got rid of the kids its a womans job to take care of them anyway
ok... all this bullshiet aside, things like this dont happen that much irl life. If he had been earning more money than his wife,then how come he didnt hire a better lawyer than hers
dont worry *****
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#46 to #13 - psychewiz (11/22/2015) [-]
actually, this exact situation happened to my family. I'm the eldest son of four, and whe my parents divorced, things played out almost exactly like this. My dad was heartbroken, and he has to pay my mom 6k a month in child support and payment plans. It's all really ****** , because my mom tells my siblings things like "he doesn't care" or "he has a new girlfriend anyways, he never cared about any of us" meanwhile, my dad is always trying to help us out, and no one really sees that he's trying. Hell, my mom even tries to get us to spy on him. And I'm not that young either. I turn 19 this friday
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#61 to #46 - anon (11/22/2015) [-]
Can confirm. This exact ******** is happening to me right now. She talks **** about me to our 4 year old son. Cheating whore!
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#201 to #46 - swagbot (11/23/2015) [-]
FWIW, man, as the eldest, it's up to you to put your mom in her ******* place

There are two ways to do this. Do one or both.

Get your thoughts in order, and next time your Mom's feeling her oats, having a good day, and decides to "have a good laugh" by bad-mouthing your Dad in front of your sibs, rip her a new one with a calm, even voice in front of them. If she yells, keep logic-ing and don't raise your voice. If she starts crying and freaking out, look your sibs in the eye and shrug, and keep logic-ing.

Or, alternately, talk to ALL of your sibs at once (with no parents there) about the **** your Mom's saying about your Dad, listen to their thoughts, and guide them to the "reasonable middle ground" so that you are all on the same page. Take 'em out to dinner or something. Better to not do this at the house.

FYI, since the 'child support' is supposed to be for you / your sibs, you can petition the court to have that money come *straight* to y'all, bypassing your mom, if you show that you're responsible kids (no criminal record, working / studying / good grades). Like, seriously get on that **** . Talk to your Dad's lawyer immediately.

That would probably make your Dad happier, you could probably make better use of it, and your Mom would have to get a job like the rest of the world
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#131 to #46 - cerilium (11/23/2015) [-]
Same thing happened here. When I confronted my mum about it saying how she is trying to force us against him she says "I've never done that. You decided if you hated him or not."

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#236 to #131 - psychewiz (11/23/2015) [-]
Yeah, that's basically how it goes. My mother tends to blame anything and everything on outside sources. My grandfather (on her side) calls her out on this stuff too. My dad and him are good friends, and whenever she starts talking **** he basically shuts he down, which is nice.

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#188 to #46 - csgtsheep (11/23/2015) [-]
I've got one of these types of stories that hasn't ended too bad.
I'm an only child and I saw my dad maybe once or twice in a year if I was lucky. Now my mum was great cause she never blocked me from seeing him but whenever I did she'd make me gossip about him, how hes living, his new wife, her kids, where he takes me etc but she'd always disapprove of everything calling him pathetic or saying that he only "took me to the park cause he has no money" whenever I did something wrong or dumb shed bring him into the discussion and say **** like your father didn't love you when we divorced or tell me **** I shouldn't have been hearing at something like 6yrs and throughout my entire life up to this point I remember one particular day she told me he divorced her because he was enjoying himself too much in canada.
She'd been cheating on him with my 1st stepdad since before I was born.
Overall I hate but love her cause shes still my ******* messed up dilusional mum.
Sorry about that just felt the need to share.
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#53 to #46 - anon (11/22/2015) [-]
6k a month? USD? Thats more than 6 average monthly salaries where I live.
>he doesnt care
How often do you and your siblings see your dad? You need to talk with him and then talk with your mom. Dunno if I'm helping in any way but I'm pretty upset.
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#67 to #53 - anon (11/22/2015) [-]
thats 25 times more than minimum wage in brazil
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User avatar #148 to #67 - keygen (11/23/2015) [-]
thats like the average salary in qatar, too expensive
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User avatar #301 to #53 - herparderpington (11/23/2015) [-]
jesus **** that's 30 times the minimum wage in my country.
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User avatar #111 to #46 - dinoblue (11/23/2015) [-]
dude that sucks im sorry, happy early birthday though man, wish i could get you like a cupcake or something small
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#235 to #111 - psychewiz (11/23/2015) [-]
Thanks man. You don't have to do that.
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#93 to #46 - xheanort ONLINE (11/22/2015) [-]
How about you punch your mother in the face!
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#238 to #46 - psychewiz (11/23/2015) [-]
A little follow up. My parents built a business "together", and then my mom took half with the divorce. Now she gets revenue from the business she got in the divorce, 4k in child support, and 2k from the business deal the lawyers struck up. That's going to last until I turn 21. When I used quotes with together, I meant that although they were together when the business was being built, my father was the tech, the one with all of the managerial skill, and the one with the connections. He did everything. My mom provide the initial funding from her days as a stripper
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#259 to #46 - fluffagus (11/23/2015) [-]
Yeah, my mom has tried to make my dad look bad to me and my sister for years now after their divorce. She might have succeded, if she wasn't sucha obviously greedy, selfcentered, overreligious hypocrite.
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#199 to #46 - tastymelon (11/23/2015) [-]
it happened to me too
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User avatar #192 to #13 - derpthefifth (11/23/2015) [-]
Women are predisposed to winning custody cases, working full time actually makes you less likely to win because it's assumed you don't have the time to take care of the kids, which basically results in custody defaulting to the mother unless you can prove that she's an unfit parent. Proving a mother as an unfit parent is hard as **** to do... basically if she's a jobless woman who manages to not seem clearly insane she's going to win not only child support, but alimony because you make more money busting your ass than she did living off of you.
Congratulations you're now broke because of the ****** way child support/alimony payments are calculated (based on average income from your last few paychecks so if you had OT you're SOL) she can also ask the court to reevaluate your payments just incase she's not bleeding you dry of every ounce of money and life you've got left.

TL;DR- shut the **** up. It can and does happen regularly and something similar to this is almost always the way it goes when a guy works hard to provide for a woman who decides to leave.
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User avatar #164 to #13 - haonmega (11/23/2015) [-]
It's just a hard thing about being a man. The divorce courts don't give 2 ***** about what your kids mean to you, what you mean to your kids, or who is the most suitable parent to have custody. The mother gets the kids 9 times out of 10.
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#15 to #13 - anon (11/22/2015) [-]
>its a womans job to take care of them anyway
So youre saying that men should neglect their kids?
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#203 to #15 - swagbot (11/23/2015) [-]
True, but the Dad should be in a position to give fatherly input to their lives.

Kinda hard to do that when you only see them once a week for a day.
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User avatar #103 to #13 - mazztricks ONLINE (11/23/2015) [-]
this exactly happend to my dad
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User avatar #248 to #13 - phtholognyrrh (11/23/2015) [-]
because it doesnt matter who your lawyer is in a divorce. all the lawyer cares about is how much you have in available assets, so that he knows how long he can drag your end of proceedings out. the judge is the one who makes the final decisions, and in a court system (at least in US) where custody and home possession disputes are decided in the womans favor 97% of the time (because vagina) its pretty much pointless to try. if a father does present a legitimate case against the mother in custody battles, the wifes lawyer will suggest she use the "silver bullet" defense, and make a false allegation of physical or sexual abuse to guarantee victory. if the court accepts the allegation, and uses it in the decision against the father, the divorce proceedings can then be used as evidence against the father in a criminal court
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#200 to #13 - anon (11/23/2015) [-]
>this doesn't happen that much

But I'm sure college rape is an EPIDEMIC ONE IN FOUR WOMYNS R RAPPED
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User avatar #169 to #13 - chuckledarkly (11/23/2015) [-]
this happens a lot man i have 2 friends one online one real both in this situation. Ones a dad ones a kid whos mom keeps asking him to steal his dads phone and junk.
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#219 to #13 - chokebee (11/23/2015) [-]
Yeah, don't happen much...
What world do you live in, eh?
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User avatar #144 to #1 - nightmarezzzz (11/23/2015) [-]
I study law , and if he had a good lawyer he could spend time with the kids, if the court thinks that is best for the kids to live with the mum (mom) then the father can make a contact order , and he can see the kids also about the money the court will see how much the mother makes and how much the father , both have to offer for the kids. The courts top priority is the well being of the kids , and if they are old enough their wishes and feelings. Did i took it seriously ? Sorry just wanted to share.
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#171 to #1 - nowthatsedgy (11/23/2015) [-]
watch this to take your mind off it
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#32 - zanybruh (11/22/2015) [-]
Well.... the single life doesn't feel so bad now. Thanks OP.
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User avatar #75 to #32 - severepwner (11/22/2015) [-]
It's not about being single or being married. Just have a girlfriend, and not marry until like 10 years after you date her.
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#173 to #75 - anon (11/23/2015) [-]
until like ever*
Marriage is a useless practice the kites made up to make money.
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#223 to #173 - severepwner (11/23/2015) [-]
Yeah **** those kites, them and their filthy shmockels.

God do some research you stormfag. Marriage was created so a woman would belong to the man, and the man to the woman (assuming he didn't have multiple wives, but still loyal to those wives exclusively). It's an agreement to commit to each other forever and love each other eternally.

In later eras it was often used as a way to forge alliances between families or kingdoms.

Go blame the jews on everything somewhere else.
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#12 - anon (11/22/2015) [-]
You do realize you can sign this thing called a PRENUPTIAL AGREEMENT before marriage that would sort all this out right? EVERYONE who is getting married should have one written up and signed.
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#63 to #12 - critizer (11/22/2015) [-]
You talking about your country and if so which one exactly. I really don't know how it's dealt with where i live.
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User avatar #196 to #12 - puut (11/23/2015) [-]
My question is: Why do I need a piece of paper and some other asshole that says I love someone?
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#293 to #196 - anon (11/23/2015) [-]
You don't, ******* .

Getting married has jack dick ******* to do with being in love, it's a legal agreement that gives you the LEGAL RIGHTS of spouses. Marry a friend for tax benefits if you ****** feel like it.
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User avatar #249 to #12 - phtholognyrrh (11/23/2015) [-]
asking for a prenup is a better guarantee of dying alone than being a FJ anon
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User avatar #300 to #249 - lesternygaard (11/23/2015) [-]
Except it's not.
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#307 to #300 - anon (11/23/2015) [-]
Yeah ok. But you killed your wife.
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#71 to #12 - Penn (11/22/2015) [-]
I recently got married. No prenup.

It's not the divorce that ***** you. It's the crazy bitch you married. I didn't marry a crazy bitch. Now, if we were to divorce would she take my **** ? Possibly. But her friends, family, and loved ones who has welcomed me into their lives wouldn't let her destroy mine, even if she wanted to, which she wouldn't.

Most women tend to be this thing called independent. Since you spend all of your time on the internet you think independent means crazy fat bitch that takes advantage of men and is just a lazy whore.

Get off the internet. Meet some real people. The internet, SJW's, and all that ******** rarely, if at all, exists in the real world.
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#81 to #71 - robuntu (11/22/2015) [-]
Not gonna lie, I dated the most sane and rational girl ever. She was a software engineer, we met in college. Totally cool chick. Totally independent. Wanted to split everything 50/50.

We moved in together and dated for almost four years. Then I broke up with her, as I felt like weren't really marriage material, but we were getting old and I basically wanted to move on.

Then she went ******* crazy. As in she started yelling and screaming, refusing to let me take anything out of our apartment. She called the police and swore to them, up and down, that everything in the apartment was 100% hers, except for my clothes and my laptop.

This was right after college so really, all I had was my PS3/stack of games/TV/desk/and some pots and pans (most of the kitchen stuff was hers).

Anyway, the cops were dicks and since my name wasn't on the lease (despite having lived there for the last three years) they basically told me I needed to go or I'd be arrested. They told me I could file a claim or something and sue her to get my belongs.

Two days later she texts me, trying to get back together. I told her I thought it was a bad idea, and then like four hours later she sends me a picture of all my stuff in a dumpster.

So yeah, she was independent and all that. She had job and could buy her own TV/PS3/whatever. But once I dumped her, she went crazy and became super, super, vindictive. She trashed my stuff, just so she could. She did a few other crazy things after that - mostly just spreading lies and rumors about me. How I was a terrible boyfriend, how she kicked me out, how I was emotionally abusive. And she put a bunch of this on Facebook, and yeah, dudes and chicks were posting on there saying things like, 'You deserve so much better' and 'You're so brave!'

If we would have had kids, I'm 100% sure she'd have used them to hurt me emotionally and financially.



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#92 to #81 - Penn (11/22/2015) [-]
...sounds like you were with a crazy bitch.
Plus, you were just dating. Doesn't matter how long it is. I got married. Her family and my family are now one. Neither of them would let her act like that. And, if she did, she would probably be disowned.
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#95 to #92 - robuntu (11/23/2015) [-]
Sure, but until we broke up, she didn't show any signs of being crazy. I lived with her for years, she was never mean or vindictive. She was rarely emotional at all. She was well educated, had a good job, was a completely reasonable person.

Yeah - you can say every guy who gets taken to the cleaners in a divorce married 'a crazy chick'....but what I'm saying is - you have no way of knowing. This was the most calm, level headed girl I've ever dated, and I was with her *for years* - not just casually dating, but *living together*.

And she wasn't a crazy bitch until after I dumped her.

It's great that you think your families are one and all that jazz - and that her side wouldn't let her attack you. But, clearly, given the number of divorces that turn into a nightmare, we know that this is the minority. It's also worth saying, until you've been through a divorce with her family, you can't really know.

I'd bet $500, if she hit herself in the face then went to her parents and said you hit her - they wouldn't treat you like a son anymore.
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#99 to #95 - Penn (11/23/2015) [-]
No, they wouldn't...

But, she wouldn't do that. Because she's not a crazy bitch.

Don't get me wrong. I completely understanding what you're saying. But when your wife is an adult, has her own practice/business, and has means of taking care of herself then she's not just gonna walk into work and be like "Yeah I burned all of my husband's stuff because he decided to divorce me" and think that nothing will happen.

In your scenario (no offense) it sounds like a young college girl having a tantrum. No functional, independent, sane woman would hit themselves and say that they're husband did it.
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#102 to #99 - robuntu (11/23/2015) [-]
Umm - this chick was an adult. Owning a business or not is irrelevant; she had a very well paying job. She wasn't working at McDonalds, she was a working professional with a masters degree in computer science.

No, she's not going to talk into work and say she burned my stuff - she's going to walk into work and say that she kicked me out because I was abusive and threw out my stuff. And everyone is going to believe her and tell her how great she is for doing it. Or ya know, just not mention it to her coworkers.

You say your wife isn't a crazy bitch. My point is, you can't know - until you divorce her.

There are tons and tons of married guys who said, 'My wife isn't like that' - right until their wives took them to the cleaners in a divorce.
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User avatar #128 to #102 - zenler (11/23/2015) [-]
wait so to tell if a potential wife is crazy, u just break up with her before hand and if she doesn't go crazy, she's good

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#120 to #102 - Penn (11/23/2015) [-]
Yeah... you're probably right.

I just divorced my wife to see if you were right. Like 5 seconds ago. Dude... crazy bitch.
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#104 to #99 - robuntu (11/23/2015) [-]
Also - same deal with the people who are married 20+ years and then one of them catches the other cheating.

Right before that happens, they all say, 'My spouse would never do that!'
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#221 to #104 - mindsailor (11/23/2015) [-]
This Penn dude is so naive it's unbelievable.
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#324 to #81 - vymastenaochechula ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
the trick is to start acting like a bad boyfriend until she breaks up with you and then act really sad...she won'be emotional because she was dumped, and you'll get your things back
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User avatar #174 to #12 - theugandanhero (11/23/2015) [-]
But it's not like you can force your fiancee to even sign the damn thing.
Also, try to think of the can of worms you're opening when you're essentially telling her that you don't trust her enough to be wed without signing a prenup.
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#213 to #174 - swagbot (11/23/2015) [-]
let's play "spot who forgot to get a prenup"
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User avatar #215 to #213 - theugandanhero (11/23/2015) [-]
**** no, I am not ever getting married. I just hate to watch people throw their perfectly alright lives by being with the wrong person that we all know will turn around and become a completely different person in the end.
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User avatar #262 to #215 - assassindash ONLINE (11/23/2015) [-]
Well, look at it this way, if she's unwilling to sign it, and holds it against you for even bringing it up, she was likely not going to work out in the first place.
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User avatar #269 to #262 - theugandanhero (11/23/2015) [-]
Yes but my point is that men in some cases are blind to what's really going on and wouldn't sacrifice their relationships for anything in the world. Which can become really problematic when you're with someone that you truly want to be with but they don't feel the same and you just can't see through that.
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User avatar #271 to #269 - assassindash ONLINE (11/23/2015) [-]
Ignorance is only bliss if it doesn't get you nuked in the end....
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#276 to #271 - rainbowblast ONLINE (11/23/2015) [-]
People don't realize that the problem with a prenup is that if she takes you to divorce court and says that you threatened/forced her to sign a prenup at marriage it will get thrown out by the court
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User avatar #277 to #276 - assassindash ONLINE (11/23/2015) [-]
After a year or two of being together, that accusation probably couldn't hold any ground what-so-ever.
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#278 to #277 - rainbowblast ONLINE (11/23/2015) [-]
Yeah in most courts maybe, but I think you underestimate how biased family court is.
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User avatar #284 to #278 - assassindash ONLINE (11/23/2015) [-]
And I feel like this accusation would do well with a little sauce.
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#288 to #284 - rainbowblast ONLINE (11/23/2015) [-]
Here's one that's a little more official and less biased. Also reporting 17%. www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/p60-240.pdf
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#285 to #284 - rainbowblast ONLINE (11/23/2015) [-]
Just look at the custodial percentages then, in 2007 only 17% of fathers in divorces were granted custody. dalrock.wordpress.com/2011/08/15/latest-u-s-custody-and-child-support-data/
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User avatar #286 to #285 - assassindash ONLINE (11/23/2015) [-]
Before I waste minutes of my life reading that, can you confirm how many married men in that category went through with the "prenup"?
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#292 to #286 - rainbowblast ONLINE (11/23/2015) [-]
Here's more "In fact, prenups get blown up regularly, says Michelle Smith, CDFA, of Smith Financial Strategies Group in New York. “Judges are the ones who make the final rulings. And they are human beings, just like everyone else. They are reading the faces in the room, and body language." www.divorce360.com/divorce-articles/law/advice/can-i-break-this-prenup.aspx?artid=890
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#290 to #286 - rainbowblast ONLINE (11/23/2015) [-]
Oh sorry I thought you were looking for source on bias. Here is one giving reasons why a prenup might be thrown out. www.forbes.com/sites/jefflanders/2013/04/02/five-reasons-your-prenup-might-be-invalid/
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#291 to #290 - assassindash ONLINE (11/23/2015) [-]
**assassindash used "*roll picture*"**
**assassindash rolled image**Alright, that's more like it.....

But i'm done for the day, so ill read it tomorrow. G'night.
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User avatar #303 to #215 - herparderpington (11/23/2015) [-]
I honestly don't see why people feel the need to get married.
My parents never got married and probabbly never will.
Both of them work and sometimes my father loans money to my mother but that's it.
Marriage is a useless waste of time and money.
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#282 to #174 - elaxx ONLINE (11/23/2015) [-]
"Hon, I trust you alright, I just can't say that I trust myself."
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#41 to #12 - anon (11/22/2015) [-]
Eh, those can get thrown out by a judge for really any reason.

The real solution is not not marry a crazy bitch in the first place. The man ruined his life in the first panel by being a passive little bitch. How can somebody be THAT ******* passive in a relationship? It pisses me off just about as much as the bitches out there who pull this business.

YOU'RE A GODDAMN MAN, STOP ACTING LIKE A 15 YEAR OLD GIRL, DAMN. WHO CARES IF SHE'S GOT A NICE RACK AND AN ASS THAT COULD KNOCK OUT TYSON, BITCH IS CRAZY AND IT'D BE ******* OBVIOUS FROM THE FIRST DATE IF YOU'D STOP BEING A PUSSY HUNGRY PRETEEN BITCH.
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#97 to #41 - robuntu (11/23/2015) [-]
Meh - I dated a girl *for years*. We lived together too. She showed no signs of being a bitch, or crazy, or a crazy bitch; until I broke up with her. She wanted to get married, I didn't. Up until that point, she was always a reasonable person.

After I told her it wasn't working out, she turned crazy.

Your solution doesn't solve the problem. Very few guys marry a crazy bitch and think, 'Well, she's crazy a f***, but I don't care'. It's not until the marriage ends that everyone realizes how crazy they are.
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#207 to #12 - swagbot (11/23/2015) [-]
NO but Love

I'D never "stick mah dik in crazy" lol.

No mang u dnt understand my bae is diffrent

Whut if she sez no? > Forever alone.iso

We'll jsut have a kid then she'll luv me 4evr

I'll just put mah bitch in place lol smack mah bitch up amirite?

I'll be succesful and she'll be sucessful and we'll not even need a prenup.

Getting a prenup is playing into the destruction of the world. I'm gonna STAND ABOVE THE DECAY!!!

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To all these guys - i know it sucks, but there is only one way to really solve this problem:

> Rise up and overthrow this entire corrupt system... top to ******* bottom.

> And in the meantime, don't get married, don't give out personally-identifying information if you "hit it" www.mgtow.com

Real men don't cry about ****** options - they just get stuff done.
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User avatar #16 to #12 - etfhan (11/22/2015) [-]
I wouldn't mind seeing a law pass which requires it. But as things stand now, demanding one can cause problems. It can offend a future spouse, because they think 1) this shows a lack of trust, 2) it's offensive because "no way could our perfect marriage end", and I am sure there are more reasons I'm not the best when it comes to how people feel .
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User avatar #19 to #16 - kyoutu ONLINE (11/22/2015) [-]
If you can't talk about a prenup then the couple shouldn't be getting married, they're obviously not that close.

If you're dumb enough to marry someone you can't even talk to then you deserve everything you get.
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#20 to #19 - iexs (11/22/2015) [-]
>guy makes the mistake of trusting someone he loves
>deserves to have his life taken away

Whatever you say pal.
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User avatar #21 to #20 - kyoutu ONLINE (11/22/2015) [-]
If you actually read what I wrote that's not what I implied at all, nice straw man though.
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#24 to #21 - iexs (11/22/2015) [-]
You said if a couple can't talk about a prenup, they shouldn't get married, which I agree with.

Then you said, "If you're dumb enough to merry someone you can't talk to, you deserve everything you get."

So what are you implying by saying "You deserve everything you get"?
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User avatar #77 to #24 - captchakid ONLINE (11/22/2015) [-]
How are you so air headed to miss the point?

If you can't even speak to your partner about something personal, there is no reason for you to be getting married. Thats the point kyoutu was making, youre just stretching it out for no reason at all.
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User avatar #96 to #77 - iexs (11/23/2015) [-]
I'm not stretching it out, and I'm not saying it's smart to get married when you can't talk to your wife, it's idiotic, but doing something stupid doesn't mean you deserve to get your life ruined.

I feel like I've said that a lot
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User avatar #25 to #24 - kyoutu ONLINE (11/22/2015) [-]
"If you're dumb enough to merry someone you can't talk to, you deserve everything you get."

Not

"If you don't get a prenup you deserve everything you get"

I think you're getting the two things I said completely mixed up when actually I was making two different points, hence the new paragraph.
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User avatar #29 to #25 - iexs (11/22/2015) [-]
Didn't realize the two points were separate, but you're still saying a person who makes a mistake during marriage deserves to get their life ruined.
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User avatar #31 to #29 - kyoutu ONLINE (11/22/2015) [-]
Depends on what you class as "life ruined". It's subjective.

and yes, what do you expect by marrying someone you can't even talk to?
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User avatar #33 to #31 - iexs (11/22/2015) [-]
I guess getting your kids, house, and property taken away counts.
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User avatar #27 to #24 - iexs (11/22/2015) [-]
marry*
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#186 to #21 - draeman ONLINE (11/23/2015) [-]
thanks. it's made out of straw.
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User avatar #139 to #20 - adu ONLINE (11/23/2015) [-]
Bro you misinterpreted that hardcore.
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User avatar #283 to #20 - emiyashirou (11/23/2015) [-]
If you actually trust each other, it's a far better choice to have a pre-nuptial contract. It would have no downsides, and it would have the upside that if one of you went bankrupt, the other could still keep his/her assets.
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#218 to #20 - elky (11/23/2015) [-]
That's how real life work. My aunt had a company selling USB, one of her client for many years one day asked her to ship a large amount of merchandise to him in advance to his payment that month. Aunt did so and the guy took the stuff and disappeared. Now her whole family are in serious debt, would've loose their house too if her husband's siblings didn't help them pay out a small chunk.

tl:dr everyone could eventually **** on that trust you put in them, better safe than sorry.
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#214 to #20 - swagbot (11/23/2015) [-]
Straw man is made of straw.

Your point is not in opposition to kyoutu's, but it IS a good point on its own.
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#98 to #19 - robuntu (11/23/2015) [-]
A prenup really doesn't help though. It's not the magic bullet solution people think it is.

Get married with a prenup. Have kids. Bam - you are in the same situation as someone without a prenup. She can still win custody of the children. She'll still get child support. She can still bad mouth you to the children/lie about why you aren't there.

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User avatar #100 to #98 - kyoutu ONLINE (11/23/2015) [-]
That's cool and all but not really the point I was making if you read this thread.
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#240 to #98 - skebaba (11/23/2015) [-]
In divorce cases, the kids should decide with whom they are going with. This way you can prevent them from going to the abusing person or the one who isn't as supportive of them. It affects the kids most, so it's obvious they should decide. Of course the parents can decide whether or not they want to take the kids, but if both are willing to take them, the kids should decide.
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#321 to #240 - robuntu (11/24/2015) [-]
Maybe kids *should* decide. But they don't.

As children get older and older the courts will consider their opinion more and more; but children don't get to decide. Especially young children.
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User avatar #22 to #19 - ninjabadger ONLINE (11/22/2015) [-]
It's akin to asking a friend if you can trust him to do something for you and he replies "Don't worry about it."

Then when he doesn't do the thing he tells you it ain't his problem since he never promised anything. He's an ass, but on technicality he's on the moral high ground. And that's ******** .

Trust is a very fickle thing and if you don't think people will screw you over for their own goals then you're naive. With how ****** marriage has become nowadays, if you can't get a prenuptial agreement then you should not rush into it. All this "feminist" stuff going around doesn't help for the guys side of things either.
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User avatar #28 to #22 - kyoutu ONLINE (11/22/2015) [-]
I totally agree. I wasn't arguing otherwise. I was simply making a point of people getting married should be able to talk about stuff or they shouldn't be getting married.
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User avatar #45 to #28 - ninjabadger ONLINE (11/22/2015) [-]
I was also agreeing with you, just putting it in a different perspective.

It's just 10x worse when you do something like that for something much more serious like marriage. That **** doesn't fly.

Also like you should have trust in your partner to agree to a prenuptial when yall talk about it. If the first response is distrust from either party, then there's a problem there (like you said).

Marriage should be about love nowadays, and having kids I guess.
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User avatar #60 to #16 - dorg (11/22/2015) [-]
I would not marry someone who could not be realistic enough about things. Problem solved.
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#135 to #12 - anon (11/23/2015) [-]
That's not a guarantee that you'll be safe. The courts can and sometimes do ignore prenups if they're deemed "unfair".
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#82 to #12 - baconfattie (11/22/2015) [-]
You know that in many countries if a woman says that the prenup is unfair the prenup will be ignored and the guy still has to pay?
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User avatar #23 to #12 - pokemonstheshiz (11/22/2015) [-]
A) Prenups can be thrown out sometimes
B) Those have nothing to do with what happens to the kids. Also does not prevent the mom from lying about you
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User avatar #59 to #12 - shinycharizard (11/22/2015) [-]
Except that in court, the womens attorney can say she signed the prenup under duress, and therefore it doesn't count.

If you seriously think that divorce court isn't heavily tipped in the womens favor, then there's no helping you.
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#78 to #12 - robuntu (11/22/2015) [-]
Listen up kids - this is why you don't take legal advice from anonymous people on the internet. At least in the US, this is wrong.

A prenuptial agreement will not prevent anything depicted in this cartoon. Child custody/child support can not be decided in the prenup. And that's the thing that's most likely to ruin your life because of the biases our society/courts have that say women are better parents than men.

Depending on which state you live in, you can't even agree on alimony in a prenup.

Beyond that, prenups get thrown out *all the time*.
abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=5333445

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#43 - thechosentroll (11/22/2015) [-]
Or you could just............. you know...................... not marry a crazy bitch.
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User avatar #250 to #43 - phtholognyrrh (11/23/2015) [-]
so dont get married, or hope you snagged a unicorn?
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User avatar #253 to #250 - thechosentroll (11/23/2015) [-]
No. Don't get married or get to know the person first to determine if they're a gold digger or not. It's not that hard. If your relationship is based on something other than sex, it should even be pretty easy.
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User avatar #254 to #253 - phtholognyrrh (11/23/2015) [-]
so dont get married

pretty much every woman out there turns into a goldigger at the divorce proceedings, once she sees a chance at being able to retire at 30-35, and **** as many guys as she wants no problem, all on her ex husbands dime
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User avatar #256 to #254 - thechosentroll (11/23/2015) [-]
To be fair, that's been a trend in my country for the last couple of decades. Since, unlike the US, here you don't get any tax or healthcare benefits for being married, people eventually realized that it's way smarter to just save the money you'd normally give on an expensive wedding and use it to start a family. Also, it lets women take single mother benefits, despite the fact that they don't live as single mothers. Funnily enough, those families tend to stick together a lot longer than conventional married couples. I think it's because it's less binding. With that kind of relationship, you could easily and freely walk away at any given point, but you don't, because you don't want to. When you're married, you know you can't just walk away and the thought of being kept on a short legal leash drives you crazy.
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User avatar #258 to #256 - phtholognyrrh (11/23/2015) [-]
sounds about right

im a big fan of no prenup marriages for myself personally, but thats just because im really good at not being able to keep a job long enough to support myself, so whoever i marry will be the breadwinner, and i the beneficiary of any resulting divorce. of course, she'll only have to pay me about a tenth of what i would be required to pay if the roles were reversed (because vagina) but still, i can live off of 1200 a month easy
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User avatar #64 to #43 - cheeseboyofdoom (11/22/2015) [-]
people change
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User avatar #72 to #64 - thechosentroll (11/22/2015) [-]
Up until the age of about 25. Usually less, around 20. At that point they're pretty much the same they're going to be until the day they die. After that point it takes a really major traumatic event or something else life-changing for them to change. Sure, there can be minor changes like starting to like a food you previously disliked or getting over a minor fear or personality flaw, but there won't be anything as drastic as suddenly becoming a greedy, manipulative bitch.

People change, but they don't change THAT much. An apple that changes from green to yellow is still an apple, not a banana.
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User avatar #181 to #72 - icedcarbon ONLINE (11/23/2015) [-]
25 huh? Currently going out with a 25 yr old... so, she won't change... good... but I'm 23... What kind of monster will I turn into when I get to 25?

Now for real... change is a scary thing.
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User avatar #234 to #181 - thechosentroll (11/23/2015) [-]
It doesn't have to be.
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#228 to #43 - myjunk (11/23/2015) [-]
As if you can know before
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User avatar #229 to #228 - thechosentroll (11/23/2015) [-]
If you're not blind or stupid, you can. Then again, even if you're blind, you can figure out if someone's a bitch or not if you're observant enough.
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#231 to #229 - myjunk (11/23/2015) [-]
Love makes blind
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User avatar #50 to #43 - othelox (11/22/2015) [-]
But that is the true problem of the 21st century, they all are.
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User avatar #55 to #50 - arreatface (11/22/2015) [-]
hows 4th grade going pal
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User avatar #57 to #55 - othelox (11/22/2015) [-]
ebin.
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User avatar #52 to #50 - thechosentroll (11/22/2015) [-]
Really? 4 billion women on the ******* planet and every single one of them is a money-grabbing bitch?
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User avatar #54 to #52 - othelox (11/22/2015) [-]
It's like you forgot your on a website centered around jokes.

also yea, western media had raised young girls to believe that they are perfect princesses and to be self-entitled bitches. While on the other hand young males are told that they need to man up, be the bigger man, put their emotions aside, and be a provider to said spoiled women. Thus making the problem you see in the main picture above.
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User avatar #116 to #54 - instalation (11/23/2015) [-]
Yeah I think a lot of users forgot this was supposed to be a website centered around jokes too, not a website centered around blaming "dem fuken womyn mang."
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User avatar #73 to #54 - thechosentroll (11/22/2015) [-]
Really, cause I've noticed just as many men that have been turned into entitled little bitches as I have women. Both sides expect the other one to provide for them, be the kind, caring one and love them unconditionally, even thought they're about as likable as a PMSing angler fish in an SS uniform.
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#101 to #73 - anon (11/23/2015) [-]
yea right. I bet you're the type that likes to fool around with any man/women you meet cause it's all about shagging first and seeing if their qualities are worth staying for.

**** western culture and **** you.
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#243 to #101 - thechosentroll (11/23/2015) [-]
Did you actively try to interpret my comment in the dumbest way possible or were you just born this stupid?

First off, " **** westerm culture" is said by 3 types of people - weebs, muslim extremists and ******** , who try to blame society for all their problems instead of trying to fix them. So, which are you? A pillow ****** , goat ****** or nothing ****** ?

Secondly, I meant the EXACT ******* OPPOSITE. The problem with "western culture" is that all people seem to care about is ******* . Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, however, it leads to dumb **** like this happening - you meet someone, they suck your dick so hard they nearly displace your organs, so you decide you want to get married. You hardly know the person, because you never bothered learning more about them than just "they're really good at blowjobs", but it doesn't matter, because you're thinking with your dick. So you end up getting married to someone you hardly know and they stab you in the back and take your **** . And what do you say to yourself? Do you say "Wow, I ****** up. I should have gotten to know her first, before giving her the ability to take all my **** ."? No. You go "WOMYN ARE EVIL!", learn nothing and go out and make the same mistake again and again until you're either dead or too broke for gold diggers to notice you. And all of that could have been prevented if you'd just pulled your head out of your ass and noticed the person you're banging is actually kind of a bitch.
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User avatar #108 to #43 - sandnigglets (11/23/2015) [-]
often times you don't know shes a crazy bitch until after you marry her
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User avatar #230 to #108 - thechosentroll (11/23/2015) [-]
And that's what you get for marrying someone you don't really know.
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User avatar #194 - samsaysbai (11/23/2015) [-]
It's a long story but I felt like I should post this story.



This **** happened to my dad. My mom didn't cheat but when they got divorced when I was 12 and my dad left with nothing but his clothes and his car and left my mom with 40k in the bank to support us and my mom some how burned through that in the span of two years. Meanwhile she would feed my little brother (5yrs old at the time) and I lies about how my dad didn't do anything for us and how he only cared for himself. ****** part is I grew up most of the time believing that. The whole time she never worked or had a job and was living off of unemployment or whatever my dad gave her and we lost the house and had to move constantly. We were evicted 4 times in the span of 5 years and I kept believing my moms lies where she said my father refused to help. Then my dad tried to gain custody after he got a 3 bedroom house just for me and my brother and because of my mom telling me how much my dad hated me I testified against him in court. Because of my testimony my father lost and the same day he lost he wanted to have lunch with me and talk to me and I told him no. I'm sure it broke his heart and I still regret it to this day. Soon when I was in 11th grade and my mother lost another apartment I couldn't handle the stress of always being paranoid I would be homeless everyday so I moved into my dads and I found out that my dad has always been in the background paying for my clothes, phones, school supplies, health insurance, and the gifts I got for Christmas that I thought my mom got me were actually from him too. Once I moved in with my dad I lost all my stress and realized that he was just a man who loved his sons. Now I'm 20 and every time my dad wants to have lunch with me I never say no and I hope he has forgiven me for that day because I haven't.


Sorry for the long post.
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#225 - sherlockbatman (11/23/2015) [-]
problem solved
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#38 - zionsype ONLINE (11/22/2015) [-]
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#34 - Eiza ONLINE (11/22/2015) [-]
It's really upsetting growing up having girls and women be afraid of or disgusted by you for no reason, have them treat you like **** after you talk them through depression, then see women ruining the lives of men who loved them. It's like, I feel like I'm never going to find any kind of close companionship, but at the same time I'm afraid that if I do I'll end up being betrayed, and I don't know what would happen to me in such a case. Everyone who I've seen get in a simple relationship or even get married in my time has been cheated on, been the person who cheated, or broke up/got divorced either because the man couldn't devote enough time to the woman or because the man was a piece of **** to begin with, and then the woman turns into a man-hating feminist immediately after.

I hate the fact that being alone bothers me so much because love only looks like something that can end in complete disaster.
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#37 to #34 - plantain ONLINE (11/22/2015) [-]
It's okay to feel a little nervous, man, but you can't let that kind of thinking consume you or you'll end up growing an neckbeard and sprout a fedora.

Not everyone is like that. There are plenty of people who have fulfilling relationships. Of course, there are plenty of people whose relationships crash and burn, but don't let that discourage you.

You said you know a lot of people with failed marriages. Learn from their mistakes. Find someone trustworthy that likes you for who you are and that you like for who they are.

Also, just in case you get married, here's a piece of advice I heard from a wise man: "Never stop dating your wife."
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#124 to #37 - anon (11/23/2015) [-]
so, how do you reset your life?

its the only one you got, and it only takes one crazy person who lies to you with your brain being intoxicated with natural hormones to legally make you a slave for her or get put in prison.

its calculated risk, women have little to no legal consequences, men have it all.
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User avatar #8 - shadowkingdr ONLINE (11/22/2015) [-]
opposite thing happened to my mother but whatever
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#44 to #8 - anon (11/22/2015) [-]
that is what she told you jk
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#109 - anotherponyaccount (11/23/2015) [-]
My uncle and aunty were pretty civil about it all. it occured in the 21st century

< people agreeing
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User avatar #39 - therealtjthemedic (11/22/2015) [-]
Also, the guy is an asshole too sometimes.
Just saying. It's not always the woman being a bitch.
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User avatar #312 to #39 - therealtjthemedic (11/23/2015) [-]
>>#48
My dad beat me and my mom and was an alcoholic and drug abuser. Whenever I see posts like this that say that the man is always being cheated on and the girl is a bitch, I can't agree.
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User avatar #66 to #48 - greyhoundfd ONLINE (11/22/2015) [-]
No, he's right. This was the deal with my dad. My mom was trying to get her masters degree in Biology and he refused to pay for it and told her that she needed to start working, even though he was bringing home tons of money (guy is a project manager, makes over 200k every year). He was always out of town and never made any plans to try and spend more time at home, and eventually they both said "This isn't working, we need time to sort out our lives" and he moved out. We kept the house with minimal alimony and child support, and moved out after a few years because it was too expensive. Both he and my mom were in limbo between staying with friends and living in apartments for a while, but eventually everything got sorted out housing-wise.

He didn't stop being a dick until about a year ago though. Hell, when my mom started dating he went to court and said that because she had someone else who could support her he shouldn't have to pay alimony or child support, and he won. Now the most he does is occasionally throw a thousand or so (of his still 200k salary) our way to help with my sister's college payments. He's a nice guy, very personable, but he was not a good husband and he was an even worse ex-husband. The worst part for her was that my sister treated my mom like crap for it. For example, she used to swim. My mom went to every single meet and worked at all the fundraisers, except for the final meet of the year which required buying a plane ticket out to Washington state. She couldn't get time off for it, let alone pay for the ticket, so she didn't go. My dad, on the other hand, went to that meet and only that meet, and my sister hung that over my mom's head for almost a year because "Mom didn't care about her and wasn't even willing to go to the Washington meet."
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#68 to #66 - bismarcksback (11/22/2015) [-]
I was joking, of course it's not only the women who are assholes.
It's just this guy is notorious for white-knighting.
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User avatar #69 to #68 - greyhoundfd ONLINE (11/22/2015) [-]
I see. Well, he's a faggot.
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User avatar #170 to #66 - admiralen (11/23/2015) [-]
I can tell hes a ********* , but why the hell should he pay for your mothers masters degree?
If she thinks she can do it just take out a loan and then pay it off with the earnings from the job, and if you dont think you can do that then it was always gonna be a bad idea to try in the first place
Also, not trying to defend your dad here, but its easy to say that you will share your money with your spouse that isnt working and then feel a little ****** when they coast of your work
But then again you shouldnt marry someone in the first place if thats gonna be a problem
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User avatar #320 to #170 - greyhoundfd ONLINE (11/24/2015) [-]
I would agree if she was going to a school like Harvard, but she wasn't, she was going to a state university which cost like 10,000 a year. When your wife has an absolute passion for biology and wants to be able to get an interesting job that pays well, and all it costs to you is being supportive and spending 5% of your income on it, then not agreeing is kinda a dick move. Seriously, the guy spent more tithing than he did helping my mom with university.

And I get that it would suck to have some living a posh life off of your money, but she really wasn't. He always kept her on a really tight budget and didn't let her spend things out of his account, and he refused to support her in getting a good STEM job, which would have probably added a good 80-100k to our annual income, just because he didn't want to pay for her masters degree.
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#220 to #66 - anon (11/23/2015) [-]
you sis sounds like an ungrateful dick
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User avatar #313 to #66 - therealtjthemedic (11/23/2015) [-]
>>#68
Notorious to whom? To you?
I don't whiteknight.
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User avatar #315 to #313 - therealtjthemedic (11/23/2015) [-]
>>#314
Eh, pretty sure that commenting on a post and sharing your opinion is what pretty much everyone does on this site.
Imagine if you were browsing FJ and suddenly everyone was posting about how white people should feel guilty for slavery and how men are privileged and other stupid **** . Then imagine you saw those same posts every second post for hours while just trying to find something funny.
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#316 to #315 - bismarcksback (11/23/2015) [-]
You are not blocked I would most likely not give a **** .
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User avatar #317 to #316 - therealtjthemedic (11/23/2015) [-]
Then you're a pretty chill guy.
More chill than me.
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User avatar #314 to #313 - bismarcksback (11/23/2015) [-]
What I am saying is that every time something is political incorrect you get your Jimmies rustled and rush down with a furious rage down to the comment section and write how you either disagree, how much of an asshole we are, or simply just not taking the joke and tell us how serious things are.
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User avatar #5 - thegreatsun (11/22/2015) [-]
I wonder...Why get marry in the first place? It is really not all that great.
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User avatar #6 to #5 - Einsty (11/22/2015) [-]
SUNSHINE ON LEITH clip: "Let's Get Married"
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User avatar #7 to #5 - ScottP (11/22/2015) [-]
Don't let them hear you say that. People will come down here and tell you off for not wanting to get married or have kids
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#9 to #5 - anon (11/22/2015) [-]
It's called family security.
If you're planning to have kids together it's pretty stupid not to marry.

Also heritage tax, window(ers) pension, life insurance, tax breaks, joint custody, neither of you can just walk out on the other one.

But marriage is supposed to be for grown ups that are in a relationship of companions where they actually want to do the family thing and spend their lives together.
Not for kids under 25 who just want kids and marriage because society tells them they should be married to someone, anyone, by the time they're 30 and so they just rush everything and wonder why it goes wrong.

People divorce so often because they rush into marriage with the wrong person.
But some people just don't suit marriage.
Marriage requires communication and compromise, if a person is selfish and willing to put in the effort, it won't work.
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User avatar #11 to #9 - thegreatsun (11/22/2015) [-]
I wasn't expecting for an all encompass intelligent answer, so thank you for putting so much thought. I guess at certain point, people just can't resist the idea of having some company that you can always depend on.

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User avatar #17 to #9 - ezzay (11/22/2015) [-]
what if you hate kids? What then.
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#10 to #9 - anon (11/22/2015) [-]
*not willing
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User avatar #147 - keygen (11/23/2015) [-]
yeah and we're the bad guys
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User avatar #155 to #147 - ogthegreat (11/23/2015) [-]
Your flipping the chair profile pic goes great with the last panel.
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#30 - anon (11/22/2015) [-]
And people wonder why marriage rates have been declining for years.
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#224 - enlightednatzie (11/23/2015) [-]
''And this is why i am single''
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#166 - anon (11/23/2015) [-]
every day
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User avatar #178 to #166 - chaosraptor (11/23/2015) [-]
hello joshlol
why going as anon
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#126 - rambomanthree (11/23/2015) [-]
All a result of feminism.


guarenteed to destroy society in less than 3 generations
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#197 to #126 - gigabowzer (11/23/2015) [-]
That's not bad, if you think about it.
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User avatar #4 - sinery (11/22/2015) [-]
Don't get kids, kids.
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User avatar #322 to #4 - yoddle (11/24/2015) [-]
you means don`t do kids?
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#51 to #4 - anon (11/22/2015) [-]
Yeah just stop existing
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User avatar #74 to #51 - severepwner (11/22/2015) [-]
Other people will always have kids, no reason we need to be part of the grief. Maybe in another life.
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#161 - anon (11/23/2015) [-]
Yes yes, men are always the victims and women are the source of all evil

cool cool

jesus ******* christ, you faggots are like the mirror image of tumblr; same **** ; different assholes
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User avatar #252 to #161 - phtholognyrrh (11/23/2015) [-]
try harder
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User avatar #246 to #161 - hwaraam (11/23/2015) [-]
Your irony would be valid, only if men werent always victims and women the source of all evil.

unfortunately, we good men are always the vitcims. And all women are bitches
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#296 to #246 - anon (11/23/2015) [-]
tumblr: all men r evul who rape
FJ: all womin r evul who cuck

so much difference
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User avatar #304 to #296 - hwaraam (11/23/2015) [-]
yes. one is right. the other isnt. pssst the second one is right
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