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> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
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User avatar #1 - deezknuts
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This is joke is over ten years old.

We've all grown.
#17 to #1 - GetOnMyHorse
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"This is joke"
#2 to #1 - matthamsnine
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And it still hurts!
User avatar #4 to #1 - rockmanfan
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but george is not content to ruin starwars, is he? no, he will just keep taking, and taking ,and taking....
User avatar #20 to #4 - huntergriff
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he doesn't own it now.
#5 - batmanbeyonddgrave
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I REALLY liked the phantom menace, and it was my 3rd favorite star wars movie...
User avatar #21 to #5 - messerauditore
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It was a little slow, but it certainly could have been worse. I can't really argue though, I'm one of like two people I know that honestly REALLY likes episode 3.
User avatar #54 to #21 - ugottanked
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i liked episode 3.
#78 to #5 - bobbysnobby
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"The only people who like the phantom menace are drooling idiots or stupid fanboys who just like lightsabers." -Plinket

There is so much wrong with the prequels the Redlettermedia review group had like 1-2 hour long reviews explaining why everything is wrong. The original Starwars Trilogy was one of the best series ever made, and changed film and culture for 40 years after they were made. Starwars prequels do not live up to its predecessor and was forgotten not but 5 years after they were made.
User avatar #101 to #78 - batmanbeyonddgrave
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and i respect your right to think i'm an idiot... however, in my defense I was like 10 when i first started watching star wars, and The Phantom Menace was the first one I saw. I liked the under water scene, the racing scene, the war scene, and the whole "look this kid is my age and is a ******* bad ass" aspect of it was nice. of course, it never was as great as Episode v and vi, but to me it was better than III (because i hate how he turns from super loving/caring to a sick son of a bitch, and the II just seemed like a filler movie to me. The phantom menace was also great because liam neeson, and darth maul hunting everybody... (i am not a fan boy, so i have no idea of names of places and ****, i apologize)
User avatar #60 to #5 - zwaxor
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I grew up with The Phantom Menace as the first Star Wars movie I watched. I've watched it and episodes II and III a few times each at this point, and I'll still admit that i liked episode I the best. I simply felt that episode II was a bit boring and it felt like little more than a bridge between I and III. Episode III was alright, though that was probably the one where the bad writing was most prominent (JL should never write romantic smalltalk. Ever. Again.) And some of the green screen shots were painfully obvious.

Episode 1 had a more realistic feel to it, what with the complicated political game and all that, and characters like Qui-Gon and Darth Maul made it even more awesome. Though I do agree with the common opinion that the kid who played Anakin was a bit obnoxious, as was Jar Jar Binks.
#10 to #5 - djequalizee
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It was alright
#9 to #5 - hecatonchires
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I respect your opinion but  image related (duh)
I respect your opinion but image related (duh)
#7 to #5 - sirbrentcoe
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to each his own. I enjoyed the level of back-story and foreshadowing it brought to the franchise, but overall it felt overly hyped and let a majority of the fan-base down.
to each his own. I enjoyed the level of back-story and foreshadowing it brought to the franchise, but overall it felt overly hyped and let a majority of the fan-base down.
#8 to #7 - xxitzchubbsxx
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I watched it when i was young and didn't realise the things that made it **** actually made it ****. ******* loved Jar Jar Binks. But now...... i don't
#56 to #7 - jakatackka
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I was too young to know about the hype, so I enjoyed the movie regardless. I can see why people might not like it as much as the originals, though.
#59 to #7 - kungfulouie
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I actually hated it for that reason, and that reason alone. I thought it didn't give "back story", but changed who the characters where. Darth Vader was the ultimate evil badass, who redeemed himself for the love of his son, destroying evil even at the cost of his own life. The prequels changed him from that into some dramatic pod racing whiner with mommy issues and some ******** love story. God dammit. I thought the original story of what he embodied was brilliant, stand alone, no back story, he was just Darth Vader. And what they did to Yoda, the wisdom he originally embodied, was terrible. But the one scene where he flips around and drops like 50 stormtroopers was cool.

I'm not saying the prequels were terrible, because hey, more Star Wars. But to watch them as one long story totally ruins the absolute brilliance of the original in and of itself.

tl;dr - Separately, the prequels are cool. Together, they take away from the brilliance that made Star Wars what it was.
#103 to #59 - sirbrentcoe
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that's how I looked at it too. But for someone who's so strong in the force, his training had to come from somewhere. And the mythology from the original trilogy talked about the clone wars (albiet briefly and in passing) bringing about the fall of the Jedi Knights. In a new hope, when they're on the MF, Obiwan mentions it to Luke. If you remove Annakin from it, until the 3rd installment, it's actually a pretty awesome set of movies, centered around how the old head of the Jedi council Spyher Dias ordered the creation of a clone army in secrecy from the rest of the council, because he foresaw a war in a premonition. That's the back-story and depth I was interested in. As well as QuiGon Jin and ObiWan's relationship. The fact that Annakin entered into the training at an older age, having been a slave for his entire life, ultimate recipe for disaster imo. And the fight between Annakin and ObiWan is probably my favorite lightsaber battle so far.
that's how I looked at it too. But for someone who's so strong in the force, his training had to come from somewhere. And the mythology from the original trilogy talked about the clone wars (albiet briefly and in passing) bringing about the fall of the Jedi Knights. In a new hope, when they're on the MF, Obiwan mentions it to Luke. If you remove Annakin from it, until the 3rd installment, it's actually a pretty awesome set of movies, centered around how the old head of the Jedi council Spyher Dias ordered the creation of a clone army in secrecy from the rest of the council, because he foresaw a war in a premonition. That's the back-story and depth I was interested in. As well as QuiGon Jin and ObiWan's relationship. The fact that Annakin entered into the training at an older age, having been a slave for his entire life, ultimate recipe for disaster imo. And the fight between Annakin and ObiWan is probably my favorite lightsaber battle so far.
#6 - sirbrentcoe
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i ******* love Simon Pegg
i ******* love Simon Pegg
#81 - therealslimdavey
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I'll probably get a fair amount hate for this, but I really don't view people who say they hate the prequels as Star Wars fan.

Were the prequels the best beginning series ever? **** no.
Were they absolutely terrible? Again, **** no.

I think there are really only two reasons that people hate the prequels. 1. Either they grew up watching episodes 4-6 and just cannot get over the fact that time progresses forward or 2. It's fun to be a part of the bandwagon that hates the prequels.

That being said I don't agree with everything in the prequels. Jar Jar Binks is a pretty annoying character, but he does provide some level of comedic distraction in a series pretty heavily focused on a galaxy-wide war. Should Lucas have involved science into the Star Wars universe by using midichlorians? It wasn't really necessary, by it doesn't hurt the series. Why do you care so much?

"Oh the prequels were totally designed for the kids."

Are you ******* kidding me? Episodes 4-6 were all PG. As were episodes 1 and 2. The only movie that got even remotely close to an "adult rating" was episode 3 which was PG-13. Which was apart of the prequels.

People need to stop focusing on the prequels so much. They've been produced and released for several years now. They aren't terrible. They don't get my dick hard as diamonds, but that shouldn't mean they're bad. I think we should all focus more on what Disney is going to do with the series.

Rant over.
User avatar #84 to #81 - thatguyontheright
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They are mediocre at best, but they could never live up to the hype that as built up before The Phantom Menace was released.

Hell, the prequels were merely a cash grab. When George Lucas came up with star wars, it was "A New Hope", the prequels are a product of George Lucas trying to do Star Wars for a new generaion, so he made up a back story about how he wrote all 6 episodes, and did 4 first...for some reason.

The prequels were and are a cash grab, nothing more. Atleast the original trilogy had an ounce of integrity.
User avatar #99 to #84 - leglesslegolegolas
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He didn't do the prequels first because of budget and technological constraints.
User avatar #106 to #99 - thatguyontheright
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I doubt that one.
User avatar #85 to #84 - therealslimdavey
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I don't want to get into an argument over the opinion of whether the prequels were ****, or mediocre, or great, or whatever, but what do you mean by the original trilogy having integrity?
User avatar #97 to #85 - thatguyontheright
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They weren't (for the most part) made to make money. They wanted to tell a story, and George didn't care if it succeeded or failed. Its when they started to do sequels, and started to milk the franchise that it went downhill.
User avatar #93 to #81 - butteredhamster
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I don't want to start a debate, I just want to put my two cents in and we can leave it at that. The problem with the prequels started with the books. Well, there are over 30 books that were approved by Lucas to be written giving facts about characters and worlds and how things started and ended. When the prequels came out, they were obviously for money and not artistic integrity. Not only did the prequels have sub par acting, but they negated the facts in the books and left a lot of holes from point A (Episode 3) to point B (A New Hope).
I will agree that the fighting in the prequels was fantastic and the music was great, but there was hardly a story line and what there was made Anakin sound like a little bitch.
I have the original tapes that were released back in the eighties after the last one came out. It came with original artwork on the case and everything. Before each movie started, there were special behind the scenes footage and in one interview, George Lucas is quoted as saying that using special effects is great but without a story they are nothing.
With the prequels, he didn't even stick with his own opinion.
#94 to #81 - anon id: b9fa791a
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Episode 3 will forever remain my favorite.
#96 to #81 - anon id: fb917f4f
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I hate the prequels because I find the writing horrible. For example, the first scene:

Obi-Wan and Qui Gon land on the ship, before hearing what they have to say, the Trade Federation tries to assassinate them by Blowing up their ship in the hanger, leaving burning evidence everywhere and alerting the Jedi to the danger, and then Closing the doors of the room and pumping visible poison gas in, which Qui Gon and smell and identify before it takes effect.

So, at this point the Jedi climb onto the ceiling and wait for the Droids to open the door so they can "Destroy what's left of them", why not just keep pumping gas in? And why do the Jedi even think they'll open the door anyways? Wouldn't the logical thing to do be to cut your way out immediately? So then they get in the hanger and stow away on separate ships for no reason, a scene later we see many of the ships fly miles away from one another, what if they got separated by miles away from each other? The point is, the writing sucks.
User avatar #100 to #81 - leglesslegolegolas
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My favorite is Episode III, especially the ending. Ewan McGregor is perfect as a younger Obi-Wan, and when Hayden isn't talking, hell even when he is sometimes, he has a pretty commanding presence as Darth Vader. I actually believed he was Vader. The Emperor was great, and it's always neat seeing Yoda actually fight.
I really think most, if not all of the prequel haters are defeners, people that hate it that their childhood is over.

Also TIL that Episode I is 15 years old
#107 to #81 - whiskerbiscuts
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#108 to #81 - syrenthra
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I'm completely with you, people will always hate them and I will always hate those people unless they give a genuinely valid reason, the movies worked and set us up for the Cartoon Network Series which is ******* awesome.

I will leave it at that and leave you all with this beautiful man with his majestic mane
#44 - Awesomecarrot
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I love it when I see Spaced on FJ
I love it when I see Spaced on FJ
#71 to #44 - anon id: 1632211b
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i just wish they would come up with their own titles rather then directly copy pasting off another site. You can bring funny **** to FJ but at least come up with a new title
#86 to #44 - matttboy
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He was so awesome in this.
User avatar #12 - Darianvincent
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Aside from the forced romance and Jar jar I prefer the prequels to the original trilogy. The only thing to really draw me into Starwars was the Jedi and their lore. Now there's an unpopular opinion.
#73 to #12 - gerfox
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Me too. Fkin love the Jedis.
User avatar #67 - outdrewfortytwo
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Idk how bad people say it was...Darth Maul made that movie good. Even counteracted Jar Jar.
#68 to #67 - gibssowas
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High Five!!! Err I mean three.
User avatar #14 - xspencerxxx
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the prequels are great, almost as good as the originals, only reason people hate them is because of jar jar and its "cool" to hate them
User avatar #16 to #14 - stifflimb
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Agreed, the phantom menace was the first star wars movie I ever saw and to this day it's one of my favorite movies (yes I actually like Jar Jar) and I also love the originals.
They are good movies otherwise they would not have sold and people would not have watched them even if the franchies is hyped.
User avatar #30 to #14 - biscuitsunited
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The acting
The acting was Insulting, being nice to them
#43 to #14 - quiescat
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the prequels are not bad if they where just stand alone projects, the issue was effectively the prequels where " the fall of Vader " . that never happened it just was a rushed WTF moment at the end of it all that falls flat, so Anakin Skywalker is never a sympathetic villain or even seduced into evil he just ends up being chartoonishly D&D moral arch-type at the flip of a switch, which turns Anakin into a slobbering rage monster( ie chaotic evil ) then bam cut off his legs add some armor and hes now cold as ice( ie lawful evil) all this happens in the last 20 minutes to line up with the originals which is sad because they had 3 movies to compose an epic tragedy inside action packed visuals.

the phantom menace was not a bad movie it just was not the grand epic the originals have been built up to, and no i am not claiming there sacred text. i don't think story wise the first moives where all that good either George is a visuals guy i am not sure hes a very good story teller or ever has been
User avatar #19 to #14 - auryn
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I'll just copy+paste what I said last time somebody said something like that, I thinks it's pretty applicable:

"Actually the real reason a lot of people hate the prequels is because of the awful plot, story arch, characters, and dialogue, basically the lack of all essential things to good film-making.
There's just a lot of young folk around without any sense of discernment that is easily impressed with some flashy CGI and slick light saber action and can't see that through this superficial layer of commericial gimmicks. It's one big incohorent mess of inept film-making.
But granted that this is their idea of a good movie they just unrightfully assume other people hate it because they can't stand change."


For a bit more clarification:

"Boring flat characters, emotionally unconvincible, and relationships all implied not actually seen.
Awful dialogue, inchorent, unnecessarily complex, illogical story full of plotholes, everything feels like / is a plot device.

The list of contradictory things and things that simply didn't make sense is neverending.
It's like a 10 year old made everything up on the fly and they deceided to go with it.

I guess this is what happens when George Lucas with complete control is surrounded by a bunch of yes-men that don't question him creatively, having his finger in literallly everything.
A commercialized mess where they tried to shove in as many **** and tricks as they could for mass-appeal, with a movie tone going to lamenting of death and beheading to slap stick comedy to cheesy soap opera-esque romances in matter of minutes, no seconds, combined with everlasting meaningless slick action that's devoid of any suspense.

I could go on forever.

I'm a big movie fan and have seen a lot stuff but this is definitely high on the list of incompetent film-making.
I feel sorry for the people who spend the countless of hours doing the make-up, costumes, sets, special effects and music, being the only thing good about the movies."
User avatar #23 to #19 - majkee
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And the fact that the fastest the jedi's ever go is a brisk jog, removing all sense of urgency.
User avatar #27 to #23 - auryn
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STAR WARS episode I Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan using force speed to escape
Actually, even worse, in "The Phantom Menace" Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon use Force Speed to run from the battle droids.

But you never see them use it again, not even at moments when it was actually needed (Think: the Darth Maul fight, where Obi Wan couldn't get rhough the laser gates in time to reach Qui-Gon and Darth Maul to prevent Qui-Gon Jin's death)

Just a typical example of the unthoughful, sloppy storywriting, and one of the many plotholes and contradictions.
User avatar #32 to #27 - majkee
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"Hey, know what would be cool? if we made our main characters move extremely fast in the opening sequence to avoid some droids"
"yeah, and have them never do it again because its already been done and we need new eye candy"
User avatar #46 to #32 - auryn
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Pretty much sums it up, yeah.

Just like everything else in the movie where things only happen or don't happen whenever it's convenient for the plot.
User avatar #47 to #46 - majkee
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and with annies actor (child actors...ew), and the fact various aliens are blatant racial stereotypes, like annies boss (cant remember name atm), big nose, greasy, loves money, lives in a desert...im sure ive seen this somewhere before.
User avatar #62 to #47 - auryn
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Yes, Indeed. But I'm going to stop talking about the prequels now because in the end for me it all boils down to this:

I could and would forgive the Prequels many of its flaws if only it had some meaningful interaction and genuine relationships, if only they managed to make the viewer relate and care about the characters and what's happening on screen, if there was some sense of relatability, if only they managed to make the viewer emotionally involved to at least some extent.

But instead everthing feels trivial and meaningless, the characters have the depth of cardboard cut-outs.
Their actions are untelligible, their motivation questionable, and both many a time contradictory.
This combined with a inchorent plot full unnecessary illogical complexities, leaves for a credibility and of next to zero.
All that's left is an empty shell of gimmicks and clichés, an expensive showcase of CGI, costumes, sets and light saber action, with strategically incorporated elements solely for commercial purposes.

The prequels feel like an insult to both my intellectual, as my emotional intelligence.

(I'm sorry if I bored anyone with my rant, I just need to vent my deep-seated discontentment with the prequels from time to time, my psychiatrist told me this was better.)
User avatar #63 to #62 - majkee
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I never stated i hated teh sequals, i enjoy watching them, i know they are crappy, and the actors make wood look alive, but at the same time its star wars, so i get that special feel from it, i dont enjoy the movie for the movie, i enjoy it for the memories it brings back. I would choose the original trilogy, but i have no problem watching the prequals.
User avatar #64 to #63 - auryn
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It's impossible to make a movie about awesome stuff like jedi's, the force, and lightsabers that isn't entertaining at all, but George damn sure tried.
User avatar #74 to #64 - icewraith
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You keep whining and bitching about the prequels along with the other neckbeards, but this "There's just a lot of young folk around without any sense of discernment that is easily impressed with some flashy CGI and slick light saber action and can't see that through this superficial layer of commericial gimmicks. It's one big incohorent mess of inept film-making" applies to the first 3 movies as well. People that loved the first 3 movies grew up into whiny cunts that expected some sort of miracle from the prequels.
It's exactly the same style, but you're all too deep in hatred and stupidity to see it.
User avatar #80 to #74 - auryn
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Except, that it's not. Not at all.

Thanks for your rigorous analysis, amazing persuasive arguments, and deep insight though.
User avatar #88 to #80 - icewraith
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>rigorous analysis, amazing persuasive arguments, and deep insight
>Except, that it's not
>copypastes other people's arguments

This is why no one takes you hypocrites seriously
User avatar #89 to #88 - auryn
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I didn't.

I copypasted my own older comments.
User avatar #91 to #89 - icewraith
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Doesn't matter, it's the same **** repeated over and over, almost word by word, by every hater.
User avatar #95 to #91 - auryn
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Your point being?

Because if a lot of people have the same critique, wouldn't it actually be more likely to be true? (I'm not saying it is)
I don't know, I don't really follow your logic here.

Anyway, you still haven't reacted anything substantiated on the actual content of what I said.
Merely saying I'm wrong, or trying to accuse me of hypocrisy isn't really helping your case.
User avatar #104 to #95 - icewraith
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I learned better than to argue with people on the internet, it's like barking back at a dog.
Persist in your hate for all i care, but consider for a moment the stupidity of calling something as subjective as a movie "good" or "bad".
User avatar #105 to #104 - auryn
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Yes. Just like Rebecca Black could be called a musical genius.
It's all subjective, right.

And It's kind of ironic you mentioning the pointlessness of arguments on the internet, did you forget that you're the one who started to reply to me?
You also haven't given a single argument to support your claims or counter mine, ofcourse it's going to be pointless if you just insist I'm wrong without telling me why.
Is this not common sense to you?
User avatar #3 - coltari
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SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACED